Honda Benelux

July 28, 2014
Honda Belgium assembly room in the late 1960's

Honda Belgium assembly room in the 1960′s

Honda vintageHonda expanded it’s production into Belgium in the mid 1960′s, after the successful Honda 50 Cub sold well worldwide. Honda Belgium produced the P50 pedal moped from 1966 to 68, and then the PC50 moped from 1969 to 77. See the Wikipedia Honda P50, and Wikipedia Honda PC50 articles. Around 1975, when parts were also produced in Netherlands and Luxemburg, the name changed from Honda Belgium to Honda Benelux (for Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg). The successor to the PC50 four-stroke one-speed moped (later copied by Taiwan and called Indian) was the PA50 two-stroke variable speed moped, with way more take off and hill climbing power. The PA50 was produced from 1976 to 91. See below. Here is a brochure from 1965 showing the Honda Belgium product line:1965 Honda Belgium brochure

The Honda PA50 Hobbit/Camino

The Honda PA50 pedal moped was produced at Honda Benelux from 1976 to 1991. The PA50 was called Camino in Europe, and Hobbit in the US. The PA50 Hobbit was sold in the US from 1978 to 1983. See the Wikipedia Honda PA50 article for more. Honda PA50 parts were originally only sold at Honda motorcycle dealerships, never at independent moped shops. So their leftover parts are mixed with Honda motorcycle leftover parts. A few things are interchangeable or available for or from other moped brands, like the Leleu 80mm French hubs and drum brakes.

Honda PA50 Owners Manual cover

1983 Honda PA50 Owners Manual cover

1983 Honda PA50 Owners Manual table of contents

1983 Honda PA50 Owners Manual – Table of Contents

 

1983 Honda PA50 Owners Manual pages 1, 2, 3, 4

Honda PA50 Owners Manual pages 1, 2, 3, 4

1983 Honda PA50 Owners Manual pages 5, 6, 7, 8

Honda PA50 Owners Manual pages 5, 6, 7, 8

1983 Honda PA50 Owners Manual pages 9,10,11,12

Honda PA50 Owners Manual  9,10,11,12

1983 Honda PA50 Owners Manual pages 13,14,15,16

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 13,14,15,16

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1983 Honda PA50 Owners Manual pages 17,18,19,20

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 17,18,19,20

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 21,22,23,24

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 21,22,23,24

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 25,26,27,28

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 25,26,27,28

1983 Honda PA50 Owners Manual pages 29,30,31,32

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 29,30,31,32

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 33,34,35,36

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 33,34,35,36

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 37,38,39,40

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 37,38,39,40

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 41,42,43,44

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 41,42,43,44

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 45,46,47,48

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 45,46,47,48

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 49,50,51,52

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 49,50,51,52

 Honda PA50 Owners Manual 53,54,55

Honda PA50 Owners Manual 53,54,55

 

 

 

 

 

 


Lazer 4-Stroke

July 28, 2014

The name Lazer was originally used for a 1977-78 moped, made in Taiwan by Jui Li, imported by North American Roosevelt Industries, with a Minarelli two-stroke engine. See Lazer (Taiwan) .

In the mid-2000′s the Lazer name was re-used for a 2007-later moped, made in China by Bashan, imported by SSR Motorsports in Norwalk CA, with a 4-stroke Chinese engine. SSR sells many off-road bikes, quads, and on-road scooters and mopeds. They have dealers across the US that sell their products, and parts. See SSR Motorsports.

 

SSR Lazer 5 red

SSR Lazer 5 red

 

SSR Lazer 5 black

SSR Lazer 5 black

 

 

 

 

 

 

SSR Lazer 5 silver

SSR Lazer 5 silver

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Dead End

July 15, 2014

Myrons Mopeds Logo orange dead end sign


American-made Moped Parts

August 27, 2012

Welcome. American made mopeds include AMF Roadmaster with McCullough friction drive rear engine, AMF Roadmaster with Minarelli V1 engine, Colombia Commuter, Imperial, Open Road with Sachs engines, Colombia Commuter, Open Road, and Mopet with Solo engines, Murray mopeds with Puch engines, and others. Many things are already offered in Parts/By Type.

 

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1979 Wards E-Z Rider made in USA by Dialex Minarelli V1 engine

1979 Wards E-Z Rider made in USA by Dialex
Minarelli V1 engine

E-Z Rider         made in USA by Dialex     Minarelli V1

Dialex ID Plate

Dialex ID Plate

Montgomery Wards department stores, mostly in the eastern US, sold the E-Z Rider moped from about 1979-1981, made by Dialex Industries, Inc. 123 S. Newman St. Hakensack, New Jersey 07671 USA. Read more about Wards mopeds in Italian moped parts. Scroll way down to Wards.

 

1980 Dialex E-Z Rider Minarelli V1 engine

1980 Dialex E-Z Rider
Minarelli V1 engine

 

Wards/Dialex components: Minarelli V1 engine, CEV 6932 magneto, Dellorto SHA 14/12 carb, Grimeca 90mm hubs and brakes, Domino “70′s chrome” levers/controls, Peterson tail light, Stewart Warner head light and speedometer, Messinger solo seat, 2.25 x 16″ tires, plastic molded gas tank says “EZ Rider”

 

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1980 Pedalpower G-200

1980 Pedalpower G-200

 Pedalpower       made by Puch (Austria) & Murray (USA)       Puch 1-speed engine

Pedalpower made electric bikes, electric trikes, electric power chairs, and this 49cc gasoline powered moped, the Pedalpower G-200. It is identical to the Murray 8320 (solo seat, 30mph) and Murray 8315 (solo seat, 25mph), made by Puch.  

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1979 Pivar Tri Ped Minarelli V1 engine

1980 Pivar Tri-Ped
Minarelli V1 engine

Pivar Tri Ped      made in USA by American Microcar         Minarelli V1

Pivar Tri Ped in action

Pivar Tri-Ped in action

Stuart Pivar was an American inventor in New York, New York, who designed, built, and patented this three wheeled moped in 1980. Then American Microcar Inc, in Farmingdale New York mass produced them. Some were electric but most came with a Minarelli V1 engine with pedals.

Pivar components: Minarelli V1 engine, Dellorto SHA 14/12 carburetor, CEV 6932 magneto, CEV “bullet” headlight, Grimeca hubs and brakes, Magura controls, Peterson tail light.

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Pryer    made by Pryer(USA) and Puch,Tomos,or BM   various

Bonvicini Marino

Bonvicini Marino

Pryer is a trade name made up by Pryer Motorcraft, 4563 State Route 235, Ada Ohio 45810. Pryer is mostly known for their three wheeled mopeds (trikes). At least three different two-wheelers have been used to produce three-wheelers. Puch (Austria), Tomos (Yugoslavia), and Moto BM (Italy). The Italian (same as Gadabout) two wheel bikes were made in Bologna Italy, by Moto BM, and then converted into three wheelers in Ohio USA. Later Italian bikes were the Motomarina Raven kind. Various options were offered.

 

1978 Pryer Gadabout

1978 Pryer Gadabout
made by Moto BM

Pryer Owners Manual

Pryer Owners Manual
same for 2 or 3 wheeler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tri-Rad     made in USA by Mopeds Midwest     Puch or Tomos

Tri-Rad is a trade name made up by Mopeds Midwest (MM), 320 Main St, Ames Iowa 50010.

At the time these were considered bicycles, so they could motor to the beach, turn the engine off, and pedal down the boardwalk selling ice cream or pizza. Too bad the deluxe three wheeled moped, with differential drive, and hot/cold food box, costed more than some automobiles! That was the only thing that was not three times as rad.

 

 

 

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Taiwan-made Moped Parts (except Indian)

August 27, 2012

Welcome. Myron’s Mopeds carries some parts for General, Grycner, Angel, Speed Bird, AMS, Lazer mopeds and other late 1970′s to mid 1980′s Taiwanese compatibles. Many things are already offered in Parts/By Type. 

Taiwan mopeds were imported into the United States in the late 1970′s surge of consumer demand. It was common for small companies to order one container with about 100 units. You could order them with your own choice of decals, or blank, or with their default names, like “Speed Bird”. Even the owners manuals, which were made by the manufacturers, were available either with the brand name of your choice, or blank, where you put your own labels.

Many of the Taiwan mopeds sold in the United States were from the Los Angeles area, because of the Port of Los Angeles, the busiest container port in the US, and because it’s the closest port to Taiwan. Most of the lower price Taiwan mopeds, like Moprix, Speed Bird and Wheel King were sold in the urban part of Los Angeles. The opposite of those was the General brand, the high end of Taiwan mopeds, with the highest quality.

Taiwan components are similar and sometimes exact copies of Japanese items, particularly Honda. More will follow later about Taiwan component families, and Asian versus European design philosophy and practices. Basically Asian mopeds are made like scaled down motorcycles, European mopeds are made like scaled up bicycles. That’s an oversimplification.  

 

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  Adly (AMS)AMS tiny     AMS (Adly)   made in Taiwan by Her Chee       Sachs 505 engine

 

1981 AMS Tahoe 50

1981 AMS Tahoe G2
Sachs 505/2D engine

1984 AMS Sierra 50

1984 AMS Sierra 50
Sachs 505/1D engine

AMS was made by Her Chee Industrial Co., Ltd, 2 Yikung 1st Rd, Yichu Industrial Area, Yichu Hsiang, Chiayi Hsien, Taiwan, ROC. Her Chee began in 1978 making “moped bikes” with their own brand name “AMS” (Adly Moped and Scooter). In 1985 they switched to making scooters, kid’s motorcycles and ATVs with their new brand name “Adly Moto”. The moped importer was A.M.S. Imports, 923 Moana West, Reno Nevada 89509, or 1110 S Wells Av, Reno NV 89502.  AMS mopeds were the Sierra 50 (Sachs 505/1D 1-speed auto, step thru), Tahoe G1 (Sachs 505/1D 1-speed automatic top tank), Tahoe G2 (Sachs 505/2D 2-speed manual grip shift, top tank) made from 1979 to 1984. The AMS Tahoe was a copy of an earlier Peugeot Sport top tank moped, just like the Lazer Sport 50 and the General 5 Star.   

AMS components: Sachs 505/1D engine (higher torque than 505/1A), Bing Sachs carburetor, 85% the same as General 5 Star, except: controls are slightly different – lever blades are bigger, hubs and brakes are way bigger, rims are slightly wider, turn signals are smaller, cover screws are different size, M6 not 5?. 

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1980 Clinton 50-A

1980 Clinton 50-A
Sachs 505/1A engine

        Clinton          made in Taiwan by Jui Li       Sachs 505/1A

1978 Clinton 50-A  Sachs 505/1A engine

1978 Clinton 50-A
Sachs 505/1A engine

Clinton was imported by Clinton Engines Corporation, Clark & Maple Streets, Maquoketa, Iowa 52060 USA. The Clinton 50-A is the same as General 5 Star ST, Grycner Floozie, AMS Sierra 50, and perhaps more. Clinton was made by by Jui Li Enterprise Co. Ltd22 Konan Rd, Jenwu Hsiang, Kaohsiung Hsien, Taiwan, R.O.C.

 

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1980 Condor 729

1980 Condor 729

     Condor               made in Taiwan by ?         engine ?

Condor was imported by G.M.E. Company, Inc, 15671 Industry Lane, Huntington Beach, CA 92649 USA.

This bike appears in the 1981 Moped Buyers Guide, and nowhere else, not even in the thousands of mopeds pictured in the Moped Army Photo Gallery.

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Cuyler small     Cuyler      made in Taiwan by Wheel King      Sachs 505 engine

 

Wheel King

Wheel King – Cuyler

1978 Cuyler Get Around Sachs 505/1A engine

1978 Cuyler Get Around
Sachs 505/1A engine

The Cuyler C-1A “Get Around” was imported by Cuyler Corporation, 2501 Devon Ave, Elk Grove, IL 60007 USA. It is the same as Wheel King, Road Runner, and possibly others. 

 

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1977 Gemini Commander

’77 Gemini Commander

Gemini Commander      made in Taiwan by Gemini      Gemini engine

Gemini Commander Parts exploded view

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gemini Commander is an original design, frame and engine. There were many problems, and improvements needed to be done, especially the clutch. The original factory parts for the engine were in Gemini packaging. 

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Grycner Floozie

1978 Grycner Floozie

 Grycner          made in Taiwan by Jui Li         Sachs 505 foot brake

Grycner is the name of the US importer/distributor, Grycner Motors, Palm Springs, California USA . Grycners were made from 1978 to 1979 by Jui Li Enterprise Co. Ltd, 22 Konan Rd, Jenwu Hsiang, Kaohsiung Hsien, Taiwan, R.O.C. Jui Li only produced mopeds. Grycner Floozie is a step thru with a Sachs 505 engine, foot brake, identical to a General 5-Star ST. Grycner was replaced by General in 1979.

 

Grycner Palm Springs

Grycner Palm Springs

1979 Grycner

1979 Grycner

1979 Grycner

1979 Grycner

Girl on Grycner

 

 

 

 

 

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1978 Jui Li Honey 50

1979 Jui Li Honey 50

        Jui Li            made in Taiwan by Jui Li       Sachs 505 engine

Jui Li Honey 50, made in 1978 to 1979, is the same as General 5 Star ST, Grycner Floozie, and very similar to AMS Sierra 50. Clinton 50-A.

 

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               Moprix          made in Taiwan by ??            Tas engine

1980 Moprix, Tas engine

1980 Moprix, Tas engine

1980 Moprix

1980 Moprix

Moprix was imported by Moprix, 616 Santa Monica Blvd, Santa Monica, California 90401 USA. The engine is a Tas BE-48 (Tanaka Kogyo Co. Ltd, Japan). See Sprinter below. Moprix also made an electric moped, way different from the Tas gasoline engine model. See buyers guides p56. 

There was a Speed Bird with a Tas engine, identical to the Moprix.

 

Moprix yellow

Moprix with Casal engine

Taiwan Casal connection

Moprix-Casal connection

1979 Casal K177

1979 Casal, M140 engine

This Taiwan made Moprix is different. It has a Casal M140 1-speed automatic engine, made in Portugal. It looks partially like a Honda PA50. 

Besides this “Moprix Casal” there was a “Sprinter Casal”. It was a way different, a re-branded Gemini Commander. 

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1981 Motobecane Romp made by Paijifa

1981 Motobecane Romp made by Paijifa

Motobecane             made in Taiwan by Paijifa       MB 50V copy

1981 MB Romp

This very close copy of a 1979 French-made Motobecane is made by Paijifa Industrial Co. Ltd., 109 Liou Ho 1st Rd, Kaohsiung, Taiwan, ROC. Paijifa made motorcycles and motorscooters.  

 

 

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                  Oakwood             made in Taiwan by Pou Yen       Minarelli  V1 engine

1979 Oakwood Catalina

1979 Oakwood Catalina
Minarelli V1 engine

Oakwood ID plate

Oakwood ID plate

Oakwood seal

 

The 1979 Oakwood Catalina is made by Pou Yen Mechanical Co, 5 Kuochi Rd, Hsinshis Hsiang, Tainan, Taiwan . It is not like any other Taiwan moped. It is rare, but not valuable. It shares the same componentry as other Taiwan mopeds. Of course, the Italian made Minarelli engine is very common, as is the Dellorto SHA carburetor.

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Speed Bird        made in Taiwan by TYM       Angel engine

1977 Speed Bird

1977 Speed Bird

Speed Bird is a trade name for a Taiwan moped made by T.Y.M. Industrial Co. Ltd, 554 Chung Cheng Rd, Yongkang Hsiang, Tainan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC, The Speed Bird BP-48 and BP-48S models have the same TYM (Batavus M48 copy) engine as the Angel AP-48, also wheels, and other things.

There is also a Speed Bird with a Tas BE-48 engine (Tanaka Kogyo Co. Ltd, Japan). The “Tas Speed Bird” is exactly the same as the Moprix. See Moprix above.

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Tas Engine

Tas BE-48 Engine, by
Tanaka Kogyo Co.,Ltd.
looks like Solo (Germany)

    Sprinter         made in Taiwan by Tsing Hua      Tas or Casal engine

Sprinter was imported and distributed by Sprinter Mopeds, 1 Syme Ave, West Orange, New Jersey 07052 USA. In the western US they were distributed by Southern California Sprinter, 2798 Waxwing Cir, Costa mesa California 92626. Sprinter made at least two different models, a “Tas Sprinter” and a “Casal Sprinter” The Tas Sprinter shown below had a Tas (Tanaka Kogyo Co. Ltd, Japan) BE-48 engine. The Casal Sprinter was a re-branded Gemini Commander with a Casal (Portugal) M140 engine. See Gemini above. 

1976 Sprinter

1976 Sprinter

1978 Sprinter

1978 Sprinter


 

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Tsing Hua        made in Taiwan by Tsing Hua      Sachs 505

 The rear half this frame is the same as the rear half of the Sprinter frame.

 

 

 

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Wheel King        made in Taiwan by Wheel King      Sachs 505

Wheel King

Wheel King

1978 Cuyler Get-Around

1978 Cuyler Get-Around

 

 

 

 

 

Wheel King is a trade name for a Taiwan moped. The real maker name is unknown, apparently hidden. Wheel Kings were imported and distributed by T. & J. Moped, Inc, 3518 Firestone Blvd, South Gate, California 90280 USA. Their excellent owners manuals did not say who the manufacturer was. Some were completely blank, where you would put your own brand name on the cover, and some said CUYLER. 

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Italian Moped Parts

August 27, 2012

Italian Mopeds are all very similar and use many of the same component parts.

 

Headlights

CEV Magnetos

Mopeds burn out bulbs frequently.

BrakesChains

Myrons carries most parts for the Italian components:

Dellorto SHA14/12 carburetor, Domino controls, PV controls, CEV magneto (most), Dansi magneto (Morini), CEV lights and electrical parts, Grimeca wheels with 90mm brakes (most), Bernardi aluminum wheels  (some), CEV, Huret, or Veglia speedometer parts. Plus universal items like spokes, chains, shocks, cables, tires, tubes, spark plugs, coils, bulbs, bearings, axles, nuts, bolts, connectors, wires, fuel line, gas valves, gas caps, handlebars, grips, pedals, crank arms, sprockets, freewheels.  These are in Parts/By Type/

Italian Component Logo Bar

Piston

Piston Rings

Woodruff Key assortment

Some of the more universal engine parts, like pistons, piston parts, rings, cylinder studs are in Parts/By Type/Engine Top End, while crank nuts, woodruff keys, bearings, seals, are in Parts/By Type/Engine Bottom.

The Minarelli-specific or Morini-specific engine parts, like cylinders, heads, clutches, transmission gears or shafts, cases, case and trans cover gaskets, crankshafts, and a multitude of small engine parts, are in Parts/By Brand/Minarelli  or Parts/By Brand/Morini Engine.

 

Two major Italian brands are not here, but instead are on the By Brand menu. Garelli and Vespa. 

1. Use the color bike pictures to verify your year, make, model, version

2. Use the b&w info sheets to learn about the part: make, type, size, etc.

3a. Semi-Universal Parts: Then leave here and go to Parts/By Type to find it.

3b. Brand-Specific Parts: Scroll down to the brand(s) below to find it. 

 

 

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1978 Arciero Eagle made by Italtelai Morini MO-1 engine

1978 Arciero Eagle I “tubone” style frame
Morini MO-1 engine

Arciero      made in Italy by Italtelai      Morini MO-1 or Mo-2 engine

1979 Arciero top tank made in Italy by Italtelai Morini MO-1 or MO-2

1979 Arciero top tank
made in Italy by Italtelai
Morini MO-1 or MO-2

Italtelai smallArciero is not in the Wheels of Italy Encyclopedia, but Italtelai is. Italtelai began in 1972, and means “Italian frames”. They made chassis for Arciero, Bianchi, Pacer, Portofino, Snark, and other US export models. They all used Motori Morini Franco engines and Spisni Franzoni forks. 1970′s engines were Morini MO-1 (or MO-2 optionally). 1980′s was Morini M1.

Arciero Eagle close up

Arciero Eagle close up

Arciero Hawk II

Arciero Hawk II

1978 Arciero Sea Gull

1978 Arciero Sea Gull
same frame as Pacer SS

 

 

 

 

 

 

Huret

Arciero components: Morini MO-1 or MO-2 engine, Dellorto SHA 14/12 (or 14/9) carburetor, CEV lights and switches, Domino chrome levers, Grimeca hubs and 90mm brakes, Dansi magneto, Huret speedometer with LH driver. Gas cap for “monotrave” is clamp-on pop-up, for step thru is 30mm push-in or 30mm qtr-turn, for top tank is 40mm qtr turn wide wing.

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1977 Aspes step thru Minarelli V1 engine

1977 Aspes – by Italvelo

Aspes small  Aspes      made in Italy by Italvelo     Minarelli V1 engine

ItalveloMoto Aspes built quite successful 50 to 125cc sports bikes and offroad racers from 1967 to 1982, with mostly Minarelli or Sachs shifter engines. 

Italvelo is not in the Wheels of Italy Encyclopedia. Italvelo makes Aspes, Italvelo, Bianchi, Snark, Velomec step-thru mopeds.

 

Veglia smallAspes components: Minarelli V1 engine, Dellorto SHA 14/12 (30mph) carburetor, CEV lights and switches, Domino chrome levers, Grimeca hubs and brakes, CEV 6932 magneto, CEV or Veglia? speedometer with LH driver. Gas cap is 30mm push-in.

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1978 Beta SL5

1978 Beta SL5

Beta      made in Italy by Beta        Beta 1-speed engine

Beta was formed in the early 1900′s in Florence Italy, by Guiseppe Bianchi, a famous bicycle racer and entrepreneur. Originally it was called “Societe Guiseppe Bianchi”, and made bicycles. Later in the 1940′s when production of motorcycles began, the company was renamed “Beta”, after Bianchi, Enzo and Tosi, Arrigo, the chief officers at the time. Beta is still making motorcycles, mostly off road trials bikes. 

Beta components: 25mph or 17mph engine versions, Dellorto SHA 14/12 (25mph) or SHA14/9 (17mph) carburetor, CEV lights and switches, Domino chrome levers, Domino wrap-around throttle, Grimeca hubs and 90mm brakes, CEV speedometer with LH driver.

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Fantic            made in Italy by Fantic Motor     Minarelli V1 or V1-L

1978 Fantic Issimo Minarelli V1 engine

1978 Fantic Issimo
Minarelli V1 engine

1986 Fantic Issimo kick start Euro model

1986 Fantic Issimo
kick start Euro model

1980 Fantic Pepi Sport Minarelli V1-L engine

1980 Fantic Pepi Sport
Minarelli V1-L engine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

See above, Concord is made by Fantic. The Concord Shadow is the same as a Fantic Pepi Sport. The Concord Invader is the same as a Fantic Issimo. American sounding names versus Italian sounding names, helps sell the product.

Veglia smallFantic components: (1979-later) Minarelli V1-L (late V1) engine 20(1.0hp), 25(1.5hp), 30mph(2.0hp) versions, Dellorto SHA 14/12 (or 14/9) carburetor, CEV “pancake” head light, CEV “diamond” switches, Domino chrome controls and levers, Grimeca aluminum mag wheels and 90mm drum brakes, CEV 6932 magneto, Veglia? speedometer with RH driver, and reflectors.

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Moto F.B.M.

   FBMF.B.M. engine        made in Italy by Moto FBM

Model P48 Pettirosso, means “Redbreast”

 F.B.M. Fabbrica Bolognese Motocicli, made this older (pre 1970′s) moped engine. It is included here because the name sounds like another Italian make, F.M.B. 

F.M.B. Fabbrica Motocicli Bologna Telaimotor, made motorcycle frames, such as the Yankee Peddler (see below).

1986 logo

1986 Gadabout logo.
By then it was a parts
branch of Marina Mobili

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Fabbrica Motoveicoli - Garelli - FanticGary       made by Fabbrica Motoveicoli    Garelli 1 or 2-sp

Fabbrica Motoveicoli S.P.A. (Motor vehicle Factory) was at Via Parini 3, Barzago 22061 (CO) Italy. These are Euro models that lack brake light wires and side reflectors. Frame is a monotrave (mono beam) type, 16 x 2.25″ tires, 106lbs. Engine is due tempi (two stroke) 40 x 39mm, 9:1 comp ratio, CDI ignition, Dellorto SHA 14/12 carb. Gary Uno is monomarcia (one speed). Gary Due is due marce automatiche (two speed automatic), with pedals. Gary Due Special has kick start, turn signals, extras.

1990? Gary Uno Garelli 1-speed with pedals

1990? Gary Uno
Garelli 1-speed horizontal

1990? Gary Due Garelli 2-speed pegs & kick start

1990? Gary Due Special
Garelli 2-speed horizontal

Gary instruments

Gary Due Special instruments (CEV)

Gary Engines

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1976 Gilera Mopeds flyerGileraGilera  made in Italy by Piaggio   Piaggio

Gilera was founded in Arcore, Italy in 1909 by Giuseppe Gilera. After four decades of making motorcycles, in the 1950′s Gilera had the technical expertise to win the 500cc motorcycle world championship 6 times in 8 years. In 1969, Gilera was purchased by Piaggio.

1976 Gilera Trial Moped

Gilera motorcycles were sold in the US, as a Sears brand in the 1960′s. Gilera mopeds, with pedals, were never sold in the US. These “sport mopeds” at left were for England in 1973 to 1977, where there was no limit on power or speed or transmission gears, only 50cc with pedals. Many of those “sport mopeds” went 55 or 60mph. Wow! 

The Vespa Grande, a US model, is 80% the same as a Gilera cbA, a Euro model, both made by Piaggio. The lights, electrical wiring, and long seat are the main differences.

1976 Gilera cb1

76 Gilera cb1 (Euro model)

1975 Gilera

1975 Gilera cb1 (Euro)

Gilera cb1 b

Gilera cb1 b (Euro)

1977 Gilera cbA

1977 Gilera cbA (Euro)
is like a Vespa Grande

 

 

 

 

 

 

These models are shown for information purposes. Myrons does not have parts for these, other than things that were on US model Vespa Grandes. Some of those parts have become scarce. 

 

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1978 Italvelo I-78 Morini MO-1 engine

1978 Italvelo
Morini MO-1 engine

1977 Italvelo moped

1977 Italvelo with MO-1

Italvelo    made in Italy by Italvelo    Morini MO-1

ItalveloItalvelo is not in the Wheels of Italy Motorcycle Encyclopedia, perhaps because they made mostly bicycles. Italvelo made Aspes, Bianchi, Snark, Italvelo, Velomec step-thru mopeds. The list grows…

HuretPV controls

Italvelo components: Morini MO-1 engine, Dellorto SHA 14/12 carburetor, Grimeca hubs, brakes, 11mm axles, CEV lights and switches, PV controls, Huret speedometer with LH driver.

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Itom       made in Italy by Itom     Itom 1-speed engine

Itom stands for Industria Torinese Meccanica. They made quality 50 to 125cc motor bikes from 1948 to 1975 near Turin, Italy. 

 

This beautiful Itom Automatic Lusso moped is a “Euro model” because does not have US DOT brake light, side reflectors, bright head light, and electric horn.

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Lambretta Lambretino

Lambretta Lambretino

Lambretta       made in Italy by Innocenti     Innocenti 1-spd engine

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Moto Bimm (Bimotor)

Moto Bimm later became Bimotor

  Maico            made in Italy by Bimotor – Moto Bimm     Minarelli V1

1973 Cyclobimm Billo (Bimotor Moto Bimm) Minarelli V1 engine

1973 Cyclobimm Billo
(Bimotor Moto Bimm)
Minarelli V1 engine

1976 Maico MPI

1976 Maico MPI
30mph USA model

1978 Maico moped 20mph Euro model

1978 Maico moped
20mph Euro model

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maico is a trade name used by importer/distributer M.P.I. A true Maico is German-made, usually a motocross or trail bike. Maico mopeds are made by Italy by Moto Bimm.

Moto Bimm was founded in 1965 by Jose Becocci in Florence, Italy. They produced off-road motorcycles from 50 cc through 125 cc using Minarelli engines. Later there were sport bikes and mopeds with various small engines. The Maico moped is one, famously known as the Billo in Italy. Sometime in the 1970′s Moto Bimm became Motori Bimm and then Bimotor, which lasted until 1980. Note that “Moto Bimm” is not Moto BM (Bonvicini Marino) and “Bimotor” is not Motobi (Benelli). The names are all similar.

Moto BimmMaico components: Minarelli V1 engine, Dellorto SHA 14/12 (or 14/9) carburetor, CEV lights and switches, Domino controls and levers, Grimeca hubs and brakes, CEV 6932 magneto, CEV speedometer with LH driver.

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F. Morini         made in Italy by LEM Motor          Morini MO-1 or MO-2

Lem MotorLem Motor  makes the F. Morini line, a trade name made by the importer and US distributor, Herdan Corporation, Port Clinton, PA. Long lasting Herdan (aka Hermy’s) is still in business importing Italian motorcycle parts and accessories. Note that F. Morini is NOT the engine maker, Franco Morini Motori, nor the world famous motorcycle maker, Moto Morini.

1978 Morini Chembol aka LEM Pratikal

1978 F. Morini Chembol
aka LEM Pratikal

LEM Pratikal ID plate

1978 F. Morini ID plate

1980 F. Morini Chembol Morini MO-1 engine

1980 F. Morini Chembol
Morini MO-1 engine
aka Lem Pizeta

The F. Morini Chembol (Lem Pratikal) and the Safari 300MT, Safari Cobra, and Safari MZV have the same frame, fork and fenders. See Lem above. 

The F. Morini Chembol Mini (Lem Pizeta) is the same as ?

 

 

PV controlsF. Morini Components: Morini MO-1 or MO-2 engine, Dellorto SHA 14/12 or 14/9 carburetor, clamp-on pop-up gas lid, 10 x 1 male gas valve, 12 tooth front sprocket (this version does), and a all-cast iron cylinder (unlike most which are iron sleeve with aluminum fins). The red one with solo seat has PV levers with black plastic blades and Grimeca wheels, while the green one with long seat has Domino levers/controls with chrome lever blades and Bernardi wheels.

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1976 Moto Meteora Minarelli M4 4-speed tubone type frame

1976 Moto Meteora
Minarelli M4 4-speed
(Euro model) tubone type

1974 Moto Meteora logo

1974 Moto Meteora logo

Moto Meteora    made in Italy by Moto Meteora 

Moto Meteora began in 1953 in Monteveglio, Bologna, Italy. They made lightweight motorcycles with 50 to 125cc OMS and NSU engines. In the early 1980′s they made mopeds with Franco Morini engines, such as the Motomarina Sebring. They closed around 1990.

Moto Meteora components: Minarelli M4 50cc 4-speed shifter engine, Grimeca hubs, CEV electrics. What other “tubone” is it the same as?

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1977 Silver Foxi

   Silver Foxi           made in Italy by Testi                 Minarelli V1 engine

The Silver Foxi, made by Testi,  is one of four marketing names made by United Moped. The others are “Foxi GT” by Sparta (Holland), “Foxi Deluxe” by KTM (Austria) and “Foxi 47″ by Jui Li (Taiwan). The Silver Foxi is a monotrave frame, compatible with the Gitane Cricket, and the Testi Cricket.

PV controlsVeglia smallSilver Foxi components: Minarelli V1 engine 20(1.0hp), 25(1.5hp), 30mph(2.0hp) versions, Dellorto SHA 14/12 (or 14/9) carburetor, CEV lights and switches, PV controls and levers, Grimeca hubs and brakes, CEV 6932 magneto, CEV or Veglia speedometer with LH driver.

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Snark      made in Italy by Italvelo or Italtelai     Minarelli or Morini

1978 Snark Satellite Morini MO-2 engine

1978 Snark Satellite
Morini MO-2 engine

Italtelai smallItalveloSnark is a fictional animal in the Lewis Carroll nonsense poem, “The Hunting of the Snark”. It was a trade name made up by Snark Moped, Inc, 300 Milik St, Carteret, New Jersey 07008. The Snark Satellite and Bianchi Satellite, made by Italtelai, are the same as Pacer Super Sport and Arciero top tank mopeds, all with Morini Franco Motori engines. Left, the Snark Standard (bottom blue) and the Snark Deluxe (top red), with Minarelli V1 engine, are made by Italvelo. A Snark Deluxe is the same as a Bianchi Stardust. See Bianchi above.

HuretSnark components: Morini MO-1 or MO-2 engine, Dellorto SHA 14/12 (or 14/9) carburetor, Domino chrome levers/controls, Dansi magneto, CEV electrics, Grimeca hubs with 90mm drum brakes, 11mm axles, CEV speedometer (Huret on top tank) with LH driver.

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1977 Velomec Automatic made by Italvelo Morini MO-1 engine

1977 Velomec Automatic

ItalveloVelomec   made in Italy by Italvelo   Morini MO-1 engine

Velomec is a trade name that is not on any list (except this one). The maker Italvelo is not in the Wheels of Italy Encyclopedia. See Italvelo above. Italvelo makes Aspes, Italvelo, Bianchi, Snark, Velomec mopeds.  

 

HuretPV controls

Velomec components: Morini MO-1 engine, Dellorto SHA 14/12 or 14/9 carburetor, Grimeca hubs, brakes, 11mm axles, CEV lights and switches, PV controls, Huret speedometer with LH driver.

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West Wind   made in Italy by Spisni Lino   Morini MO-1

West Wind is a trade name made by the importer/distributor, American Moped Inc (AMI), who also imported the Indian 4-stroke, (before Derbi/Leone). It has a “tubone” style frame (thick tube with gasoline inside).

West Wind components: Morini MO-1 engine, Dellorto SHA 14/9 carburetor, Domino chrome levers/controls, Dansi magneto, CEV electrics, Grimeca Razze Incrociate style mag wheels with 90mm drum brakes, 11mm axles, CEV speedometer with LH driver.

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Yankee Peddler   made in Italy by FMB Telaimotor   Minarelli V1 engine

FMB smallYankee Peddler mopeds are mostly in the New England area of the USA. The US importer/distributor was Besser Marketing Assoc?, in Rhode Island?.

 

1969 FMB Telaimotor Minarelli V1 engine

1969 FMB Telaimotor
Minarelli V1 engine

1978 FMB Yankee Peddler Minarelli V1 engine

1978 FMB Yankee Peddler
Minarelli V1 engine

FMB Telaimotor Fabbrica Motocicli Bologna Telaimotor (Bologna Motorcycle Factory that makes motor Frames) was one of the myriad companies in and around Bologna, Italy through the ’50s to the ’80s that specialised in building their own chassis. FMB was based at 38 Via Fossolo, but sadly now there’s a company building lab equipment instead. FMB should not be confused with FBM (Fabbrica Bolognese Motocicli). FMB made chassis and nearby FBM made engines.

 

1978 FMB gas tank

1978 FMB gas tank

FMB Minarelli V1 engine

FMB Yankee Peddler
Minarelli V1 engine

Yankee Peddler components: Minarelli V1 engine, Dellorto SHA 14/12 carburetor, CEV “console” switches, CEV lights, CEV 6932 magneto, Grimeca hubs, 11mm axles and 90mm drum brakes, CEV speedometer with LH driver, 40mm push in gas cap

 

 

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Trac Parts

August 26, 2012

Welcome. Myron’s Mopeds carries some Trac moped parts. Many things are offered in Parts/By Type.

1982 to 1985 Trac mopeds: Eagle, Hawk, Clipper  (DMC M56 1-speed with pedals)

These are made in Korea by Kia Motorcycle Company, Ltd. The engine is a Korean remake of a 1978-80 Batavus M56 (made in Holland), made by Dailim Motor Co. (DMC).

Trac M56 Engine

1984 Trac Sprint

1984 Trac Hawk

 

 

 

 

 

1983 Trac Eagle

1983 Trac Eagle

 

 

 

 

 

 

1984 Trac Eagle

1984 Trac Eagle

1985 Trac Clipper

1985 Trac Clipper

1983 Trac Hawk

1983 Trac Hawk

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1985 to 1989 Trac mopeds: Olympic, Sprint, Clipper (DMC DP50 1-speed with pedals)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1987 Trac Sprint moped

1987 Trac Sprint

1987 Trac Clipper

1987 Trac Clipper

1986 Trac Clipper

1986 Trac Clipper

 

 

 

 

 

 

1984 to 1989 Trac nopeds: Liberty, Image, Escot (DMC DK50 2-speed kick start)

 

 

 

 

 

 

1984 Trac Image

1984 Trac Image

1984 Trac Escot

1984 Trac Escot

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1987 to 1990 Trac DH100 motorcycle:

DH100 Super Hawk

 

 

 

 

 

1989 to 1990 Trac Blitz (moped) (DMC DP50) and Metro (noped) (DMC DK50)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Welcome. Myron’s Mopeds carries some Trac moped parts. Many things are already offered in Parts/By Type.

Trac SpeedometersTrac Speedometers: 

Row 1: Trac DH100 console with turn, hi-beam and neutral light, 70mph speedo, no key switch $80

Row 2 left: Trac 1983-85 Hawk, no key switch, new $80

Row 3 left: Trac 1985-89 Olympic, Sprint, Clipper, Image, Liberty, Escot console, with key switch, (not available).

Row 3 right: Trac 1982-85 Eagle, Clipper, used $45

 

 

 

This Trac parts department is planned to follow the layout of the Indian parts department, with pictures on the left, and small groups listed on the right, alongside the picture they are in.

 


Garelli Parts

August 26, 2012

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WelcomeMyron’s Mopeds carries some Garelli moped parts. Many things are listed in Parts/By Type: Domino levers, throttle, controls. C.E.V. lights, switches, electrical parts. Huret speedometer and parts. Grimeca wheels, wheel hubs, brakes, and axle parts. Delorto SHA carburetor parts. C.E.V. ignition parts. Spark plugs, points, condensers, chains, tires, tubes, nuts, bolts, fuel petcocks, gas lids, bulbs, spokes, pedals, pedal arms, and cables, pistons, rings, are “universal” parts, not specific to Garelli. All of these parts are in Parts/By Type.

More will follow…

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Garelli Exhausts

Garelli horizontal cylinder exhausts top view

Garelli 1-speed exhausts:
1. comp. no baffle    $100
2. comp. good cond $150
3. comp. no baffle    $100
4. complete              $120
5. header pipe           $60
6. header pipe           $60
7. tail pipe no baffle   $50
8. tail pipe Afranconi  $75
9. tail pipe blk w/rub $80

Garelli 1-spd exhausts bottom view

Garelli 1-speed exhausts
same ones bottom view
1-speed is horiz. cylinder
two 6mm front pipe bolts
two 5mm tail pipe bolts
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Garelli 2-spd is vert. cyl
front pipe screws on
one 8mm tail pipe bolt
made by GL Afranconi

Garelli exhaust parts

Garelli exhaust parts
1. two 6mm flange bolts
2. Puch exh. gasket   $5
(must file holes to fit)
3. original rubber     $20
4. 1″id hose 2″ long $10
5. orig. clamps        $10
(can use hose clamps)
6. original baffle     $30

Garelli vertical cylinder exhausts top view

 

 

Garelli 2-spd exhausts

Garelli 2-spd exhausts
1. comp no rubber $130
2. head pipe no nut  $45
3. head pipe w/nut  $60
4. tail pipe no baffle $35

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 Garelli Parts List for Front Spoke Wheel

Part # # ←picture#………Description Price Applications/Comments
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…….G.A.R.E.L.L.I…F.R.O.N.T…H.U.B…….
front hub 90×18 Grimeca 32mm cup $70 Garelli: all except VIP & Gulp (default)
front hub 105×25 Grimeca 32mm cup $80 Garelli VIP/Gulp
H112 1 axle nut M11x1.0/hex17/length=10mm $3 see Axle Nuts
H55 2 washer M11/length=2mm $1 see Axle Washers
H56 3 axle nut M11x1/17hex/length=6mm $2 see Axle Nuts
4 spacer ID=12.5/OD=16/length=7mm $3 see Axle Spacers
H116B 4 spacer ID=12.2/OD=16/length=14mm $5 Garelli VIP/Gulp see Axle Spacers
5 front brake panel Garelli $25
5 front brake panel Garelli 105mm $35 Garelli VIP/Gulp
13 speedo driver Huret 3.5mm thick $20 see Speedos
13 speedo driver Huret 5mm thick $20 Garelli VIP/Gulp see Speedos
14 axle nut M11x1/17hex/length=3mm $3 see Axle Nuts
H66 15 cone Grimeca 11mm $25 see Grimeca
H68 16 dust cover Grimeca for 32mm cup $2 see Grimeca
H67 17 ball steel 1/4″ bag of 20 $2 see Wheel Bearings
H69 18 bearing cup Grimeca OD=32mm $5 see Grimeca
19 front axle M11x1.0/length=145mm $10 see Axles
19 front axle M11x1.0/length=155mm $12 Garelli VIP/Gulp see Axles
H146 20 front hub bare 90mm x 32mmID $15 see Grimeca
20 hub body bare 105mm $30 Garelli VIP/Gulp
H64A 21 brake shoe coil spring Grimeca 90mm $1 see Grimeca
H64 22 brakes Grimeca 90×18 $20 see Brakes
H63 23 brake cam $5 see Grimeca
22 brakes Tomos…105×20 $25 see Brakes
H55A 24 axle washer 11mm length=1.0mm $1 see Axle Washers

 

Garelli Rear Spoke Wheel Parts List 

Part # # ←picture#………Description Price Applications
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…….G.A.R.E.L.L.I…R.E.A.R…H.U.B……. in Garelli parts book A=11mm axle and B=12mm axle
rear hub 90×18 Grimeca wide 32mm cup $80 Garelli Sport “A”
rear hub 90×18 Grimeca wide 35mm cup N/A Garelli Sport with heavy duty rear axle option “B”
H112 2 axle nut M11x1.0/hex17/length=10mm $3 see Axle Nuts
2b axle nut M12x1/19hex/length=11mm $3 see Axle Nuts
H55 3 washer M11/length=2mm $1 see Axle Washers
3b axle washer 12mm length=2.0mm $1 see Axle Washers
4 right chain adjuster Garelli style $6 can go either way/can use regular style ones
4 left chain adjuster Garelli style $6 Garelli ones have curved slot, regular has 3 holes
H63 12 brake cam $5 see Grimeca
H60 13 brake cable anchor/pinch bolt $6 see Grimeca see also Cables
H59 16 brake lever $5 see Grimeca
H115 17 axle nut M11x1/24hex/length=4mm $3 see Axle Nuts
17b axle nut M12x1/24hex/length=8mm $5 see Axle Nuts
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Garelli Rear Spoke Wheel – VIP & Gulpmatic Parts List

Part # # ←picture#………Description Price Applications
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rear hub with sealed bearings N/A 77-80 VIP and Gulpmatic (2-speed 2-seater)
1 axle nut M12x1/19hex/length=11mm $3 see Axle Nuts
2 axle washer 12mm length=2.0mm $1 see Axle Washers
3 chain adjuster 12mm N/A must drill out an 11mm one
H124 4 bolt M7x1.0×25 $1 see Hardware
H122 5 sprocket locking plate $2 see Grimeca
6 sprocket 30T N/A see Sprockets 2sp 30mph is 30T, 1sp is 32T
7 goes with #8 N/A
8 bearing 6001ZZ… 12x28x08 2-shield $8 see Wheel Bearings
9 adaptor sleeve with lips 28 x 32mm N/A yellow: for SB upgrade, custom made on a lathe
10 central spacer (unknown length) N/A green color see Axle Spacers
11 hub body bare 32 ID 9-rib N/A same as non-sealed bearing hub body
12 axle smooth M12x183 w/12×1 ends $20 see Axles
H64 13 brakes Grimeca 90×18 $20 see Brakes
H64A 14 brake shoe coil spring Grimeca 90mm $1 see Brakes
H63 15 brake cam $5 see Grimeca
16 spacer ID=12.2/OD=21/length=16mm $6 green color see Axle Spacers
17 brake panel N/A must drill an 11mm one to 12
H59 18 brake lever $5 see Grimeca
H60 21 brake cable anchor/pinch bolt $6 see Cables
22 axle nut M12x1/19hex/length=6mm $2 see Axle Nuts
H147 23 spacer ID=12.2/OD=16/length=9mm $3 green color see Axle Spacers
H63 24 brake cable adjuster M6 $1 see Cables
32 spacer ID=12.5/OD=16/length=3mm $2 green color see Axle Spacers

  Garelli Monza GT 1984-1986  

This beautiful piece of Italian art and engineering arrived very late in the USA moped sales curve. As a result, American Garelli did not sell many Monza GT’s, and so they are rare in the USA today. The parts are even rarer. The Monza GT has a 2-speed automatic, vertical cylinder engine, with pedals, like the 1978-1985 VIP, except some of the engine is different. The bore and stroke are both 40 x 39mm, but the VIP has a 1970′s style cast iron cylinder, while the Monza GT has a 1980′s style all aluminum cylinder with lots of fins. The cases are different at the cylinder base. The piston has a very high crown, like the early 1970′s European models such as Tiger, but with a boost transfer port rectangular window on the upper intake side of the piston. Apparently a Tiger piston works in a Monza GT, without the transfer port window, but makes less power.

Out of about 20 moped shop buyouts in the 1980′s and 1990′s, Myrons Mopeds accumulated a “wall” of moped parts manuals, dealer notebooks, sales brochures, service and training manuals. Out of all that there was no 1984-1986 Garelli parts manuals or information. Out of 5000 mopeds serviced over 33 years, only about one or two were Monza GT’s. That’s how rare they are in Southern California. That’s why the only parts for Monza GT that Myrons has, are parts that are the same as other models.

 

Here are some 1984 Monza GT pictures. 1984′s were silver, spoke or mag wheels, round headlight, radial fin head.

Here are some 1985 Garelli Monza GT pictures. 1985′s were black, spoke or mag, square lite, straight fin head.

Here are some 1986 Garelli Monza GT/S pictures. 1986′s were gold with gold mags, square lite, straight fin head.

Here are some Monza GT engine pictures.

 

 


Sachs Engine

August 26, 2012

 

 

 

 

Sachs engines have the following numbering scheme:

50X/YZ(W)

Where:

  • 50 is the engine size 30, 50, 80, 100,150, 175 (50 for US models)
  • X is the bottom end designation 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (4, 5 or 8 for US models).
  • Y is the number of speeds 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or A ( 1 or A for US models)
  • Z is the cylinder designation, and represents the speed restrictions applied, and may be A, B, C or D
  • W is an additional designation sometimes included on later models and import models to identify other peculiarities. A “K” for example indicates the kickstart version.

For example: the most common would be the 505/1A which has the longer “5″ bottom end, “1″ speed transmission, and an “A” speed rating, with corresponding “A” carb, intake, cylinder and exhaust.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Welcome. Myron’s Mopeds carries some Sachs 504 and 505 engine parts. Some things are already in Parts/By Type.

This Sachs Engine parts department is separate from the Sachs (Moped) Parts department. It is planned to follow the layout of the Indian parts department, with pictures on the left, and small groups listed on the right, alongside the picture they are in.

Sachs 504 Mainshaft assy 0285-112-001, bare as shown here, $25, or complete except for sprocket, $35, or complete with sprocket and new seal $60.

 

 

Sachs 505 Mainshaft assy 0285-122-101, as shown $40, complete with sprocket and new seal $75.

 

 

 

under super heavy duty construction, almost ultra duty


Morini Engine

August 26, 2012

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WelcomeMyron’s Mopeds carries some Franco Morini moped engine parts. Many things are already offered in Parts/By Type.

This Morini Engine parts department is planned to follow the layout of the Indian parts department, with pictures on the left, and small groups listed on the right, alongside the picture they are in. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some Morini clutch components are shown, for information purposes. There are many Morini parts that need to be identified, photographed, priced, and displayed. That might take a few months.