Horns

July 14, 2014

Horn types

AC and DC: Most mopeds do not have a battery, so the electricity is all AC alternating current from the generator (magneto). Motorcycles and some mopeds do have a battery. Their electricity is DC direct current. Horns are made for either AC or DC. DC horns sound like a beeeeeeeep. The pitch is steady because the battery voltage is steady. AC horns sound like a wrong answer buzzer. The pitch goes up and down with the rpm of the engine. AC and DC horns look similar, but do not interchange. All modern scooters and motorcycles have 12 volt DC horns. They are common. Some older Taiwanese mopeds have 6 volt DC horns. AC buzzers are “old school” and are not on anything modern.

Factors that affect AC horn loudness

Internal corrosion: Used moped horns that are on bikes loose loudness after many years. That is from corrosion on the aluminum sound plate and the zinc-plated steel surface it buzzes against. Horns that have been kept in a sealed wrapper do not loose loudness.  

Headlight on or off: AC moped horns are loud with the headlight off, but quiet with the headlight on. That is because the horn and headlight share the same generator power, which is not well regulated, and limited in wattage. When the headlight is off the horn gets 10-15 volts, and when the light is on it gets 5-8 volts. The effect gets worse the more watts the headlight uses. 

Generator power: AC horn loudness depends on the generator power. You never know if a horn that works on a Peugeot for example, would work on a Puch, until you try it. Or it might work good on Puch at low rpm, but not high. Maybe visa versa on Garelli. 

Voltage regulation: Before the mid-1980’s there was a lot less generator power, typically 6 volt 25 watts. With the advent of solid-state AC voltage regulators, generator power was increased, typically 12 volt 50 watts. The regulated AC voltage eliminated the problem of the horn getting loosing loudness when the headlight was turned on.

Factors that affect DC horn loudness

Internal corrosion: Used moped horns that are on bikes loose loudness after many years. That is from corrosion on the aluminum sound plate and the zinc-plated steel surface it buzzes against. Horns that have been kept in a sealed wrapper do not loose loudness.  

Battery power: Motorcycles that have electric start have large batteries with plenty of power available for the horn. But pedal or kick start mopeds with small batteries can have a weak horn caused by a weak battery.

Horn testing

You cannot easily tell whether a horn is good or bad. You cannot easily look inside because it is riveted together. You cannot perform a valid test of it unless you have the moped it is intended to go on, running, with working horn wires and button.

 

Horns for Sale

6 volt AC horn, 18 watt $27.0 freshly-made in Italy

 

 

 

 


Switches Menu

July 14, 2014

updated 2022-01

Select:

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A. Handlebar Switches
Separate from controls

 

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B. Handlebar Switches
Integrated into controls

 

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C. Brake Light Switches

 

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D. Switches not on the handlebar

 

All in One means all of the buttons in one switch unit: lights, horn, and engine stop. Most 1950’s-60’s mopeds had an “All in One” type switch, either CEV, Aprilia, or others, mounted on the left handlebar.

USA switches: Before 1972, on motorcycles and motorized bicycles, switches did not have to meet US DOT requirements. They did not have to be in a certain place. They did not have to say what they were for. They did not have to be reachable without letting go of the handlebar. But after 1972 they did have to meet those safety requirements. 

 

 

Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM)


From HB4.com  Fratelli Pagani was born in 1906 in Milan and evolved together the Italy’s evolution throughout the XX century. It was the first factory of batteries in Italy and began to invest for design the first hand-lamps. It started a wide range of innovations still in use: birth of first case, birth of first anti-black-out lamp, invention of first headlamp, creation of dynamo lamp.

Following the opening of the headquarters in Venegono Superiore (VA) in 1937, the C.E.V. brand was born (Constructions Electromechanical Venegonese) for the production of on-board instrumentations for aeronautic purposes. In the ‘50s, in Milan, the production of batteries stopped and the production efforts focused on the creation of flashlights and lamps. Instead, in Venegono, the production of equipment and headlights went on for motorcycle market. In the ‘70s, CEV company produced mainly for great customers including some international leaders in the batteries and lamps sectors and joined in the distribution process of Italian and foreign large organised distribution networks.

In 2001 CEV was acquired by Zadi Group

 


In 1966 Merit Werke began in Germany, then later moved to Malta, in the Mediterranean. They still make automotive switches, with the same MW logo, but with the name Merit Malta.

 

 


Italian made Aprilia electrical components were on 1960’s and 70’s motorcycles.

 

 

 


 

 

 


Bulbs

July 14, 2014

Contents: 

1. a. Wedge bulbs (all glass, push on)
1. b. Festoon bulbs (glass tube, push on)
1. c. Screw base bulbs (screw on)
2. Bayonet base bulbs (push and turn)
3. Plate base headlight bulbs

4. Bulb information

 

 

Most moped light bulbs are standard automotive bulbs. Most bulbs are made in 6 volt or 12 volt versions, But finding 6V bulbs is difficult since all cars are 12V since the 1970’s. In all of these magneto/generator powered head lights, a 12 volt bulb will replace a 6 volt one, but won’t be as bright.

 
 

wedge bulbs

1a. Miniature All-Glass Wedge Bulbs:
044.687   6V 1.2w          5mm wedge Osram  $2.00 
for Tomos speedos (CEV) late 80’s

ELG74     12V 1.2w  74  5mm wedge Flüsser $3.00
for Tomos speedos (CEV black) 1990 to 2002

6V1.7W     6V 1.7w       10mm wedge    N/A

12-1080 12V 3w    194 10mm wedge  $1.00 or $5.00 for 10

 


festoon bulb 8 x 28 SV7-8 ends festoon bulb 11 x 36 #211

1b. Festoon Bulbs – look like glass fuses 
00  glass 000 volts atts  price  Osr  Stanley o   Phillips
ends 00 length 0 watts  price Osram  000 SAE 00000  part#
6.0 x  6  x 31 6V 0.6w $2.00 0000 00000 000 00000 20.0908
6.0 x  6  x 31 6V 0.6w $0.00 hi beam indicator
7.0 x  8  x 30    6V 3w $2.00 0000 00000 000 00000 CIF 1421
7.0 x  8  x 30  12V 3w $2.00 6428 00000 000 12842 ELB-6428
7.0 x  8  x 37 12V10w none   0000 00000 000 00000 ELB-3475

7.0 x  8  x 37    6V 3w $2.00 0000 00000 000 00000 .
7.0 x  8  x 37    6V 3w $0.00 Riverside tail bulb
8.5 x 11 x 39    6V 5w none   0000 00000 000 00000 .
8.5 x 11 x 39  12V 5w none   6418 3271C 000 12844 ELB-6418
8.5 x 11 x 39   6V10w none   6450 00000 000 06866 ELB-6450

8.5 x 11 x 39  12V 5w $2.00 6413 00000 212 12864 ELB-6413
8.5 x 11 x 39  12V 5w $0.00 CIF 1410
8.5 x 11 x 39 12V10w $2.00 6411 A3373 211 12866 ELB-6411
8.5 x 11 x 39 12V10w $0.00 Riverside brake bulb

8.5 x 11 x 43 12V10w $2.00 6412 00000 000 00000 200019
8.5 x 15 x 43   6V15w $3.00 0000 00000 000 00000 .

8.5 x 15 x 43 12V15w $2.00 0000 00000 000 00000 .
8.5 x 15 x 43   6V15w $2.00 0000 00000 000 00000 .

 

 

 


6V 0.6W E10 bulb 6V 6W E10 yellow bulb

1c. Bulbs with E10 screw base, single contact
6V0.6W    6V 0.6w            $1.50
for 76-80 Peugeot speedometer
14460      6V  6w  yellow   $2.50  
for early Solex 3800 head light

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

2. Bayonet Base Bulbs

 These bulbs have little nubs on the base. You push in and rotate clockwise to install.

Bulbs 2aBA7s bulbBulbs with BA7s base, 7mm bayonet single  
10632.1     6V 0.6w  CEV   N/A
6V1.0W     6V 1.0w           $1.50
SAE1262    6V 1.5w           $1.50
SAE3898   12V  2w           $1.50
for 78-80 Motobecane/03-07 Tomos/other VDO


55 BA9s bulbBulbs with BA9s base, 9mm bayonet single
6V0.8W     6V 0.8w   47   $1.50  long glass
200002     6V 1.5w   51   $1.50  small glass
6V2.0W     6V  2w            $1.00  small glass
6V3.0W     6V  3w            $2.00  small glass
6V4.0W     6V  4w            $2.50  long glass
200003    12V  2w   53    $1.50  small glass
200004    12V  2w   53    $1.50  long glass
for 1987-on Tomos turn or hi beam indicator
12V3W    12V  3w   57      N/A     large glass
SAE3893 12V 4w Everglo  $2.50  long glass
1423000 12V 4w xxxxxx  $2.00  small glass


63 BA15s bulb

BA15s base, 15mm bayonet single, small glass
ELB5006   6V  5w    63     $2.00
for 77-later Puch, must have this to be bright
6V8W       6V  8w    00     $2.50 for Cateye turn sig.
SAE81      6V 10w   81     $2.00
SAE57     12V  5w   67     $1.50
SAE97     12V  8w   97     $1.50
SAE89     12V 10w  89     $1.50

BA15s base, 15mm bayonet single, large glass
SAE87       6V 13w      87    none   = 6V 15cp
SAE1129   6V 18w  1129   $2.00 = 6V 21cp
H101C       
6V 21w  0000   $2.50
6V24W      6V 24w  1133   $2.00 = 6V 32cp very large glass
SAE1003 12V 12w  1003   $1.50 = 12V 14cp
12V21W  
12V 21w  0000   $2.50
SAE1156 12V 27w  1156  $2.00 = 12V 32cp

cp = w * 15/12.57 = w * 1.19

 


1176 BA15d bulbBA15d base, 15mm bayonet two-contact, equal nubs
2-filament kinds conduct through the shell, like most bulbs.
6V15.15w   6V 15/15w      none  2-filaments 2-contacts
12V21.6c  12V 21/6cp 1176   $2 2-filaments 2-contacts
12V17.5w 12V 17/6w  1158   $3 2-filaments 2-contacts
for most 1950’s car’s turn/brake/tail light. Obsolete.
1-filament kinds do not conduct through the metal shell.  
12V4cp     12V 4cp     1178   N/A  1-filament, 2-contacts

 


BAY 15d base, 15 bayonet 2-contacts, unequal nubs
10630.1    6V 15/3w   CEV   $2.50
10630.3    6V 18/3w   CEV   none 
for Vespa Ciao tail light
SAE1154   6V 21/5w  1154  $2.00
SAE1157  12V 27/8w 1157  $1.00      box of 10 $6.00
24V216c  24V 21/6cp           $1.50

 

 


12V 35-35w BA20d bulbBA20d base, 20 bayonet 2-contacts, unequal nubs
6V25.25   6V 25/25w          $7.00
for Derbi Variant Sport 1986-89
20-0018 12V 35/35w Narva $5.00
for Tomos Revival/Streetmate
044.701 12V 25/25w           $5.00
for Tomos ’90-on, square HL, ’95-05 Kinetic TFR

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 3. Plate Base Headlight Bulbs

These are all for head lights, for higher power and precise focus.

P15d (P15d-1) 15×30 “3-hole plate” double plate bulbs 212V 35-35 P15d bulb
6V25.25    6V 25/25w      P15d base  $12   
500310    12V 35/35w      P15d base  $12
12V5050  12V 50/50w      P15d base  $10

 

 


12V 45-45w P15d-3 bulbP15d-3 base, 15×25 “3-tab plate” double
12V35.35  12V 35/35w     P15d-3 base   N/A

 

 

 


12V 15w P26s bulbP26s base, 15×26  “stepped plate” single
C-1432      6V 15w       P26s base    $4.50
for 1984-86 Puch with square Niox headlight
and for many 60’s-70’s non-US-model mopeds
20-0023  12V 15w      P26s base    $7.00
for Tomos Arrow-R and Streetmate-R (dual HL)

 

 


PX15d base, 15×24 “plain plate” double
632729   6V 15/15w    PX15d base      N/A
632787  12V 15/15w    PX15d base     $7 
632843  12V 18/18w    PX15d base    N/A
633905  12V 25/25w    PX15d base    N/A

 

 

 

 

4. Bulb Info

Mopeds frequently burn out bulbs, from both vibration and surges of electricity. Because there’s no battery, the voltage varies a little. At idle the lights are very dim, but at full speed they’re bright. Hopefully they’re not bright white, as that means they might burn out soon. Yellow is good but orange is too dim.

Head light: For some reason, many old 6 volt mopeds need 12 volt bulbs, or else they burn out. Some might even need a 12V AC voltage regulator ($25) added on in addition to 12V bulbs, to help prevent bulb burn out. All 6 volt mopeds can use 12 volt headlight bulbs, but the headlight is dimmer. On most 6 volt mopeds (with head and tail powered by same wire) using 12 volt headlight bulbs, the tail light is brighter. On some 6 volt mopeds using 12 volt headlight bulbs, the tail light is dimmer.

Tail light: European mopeds with 4-coil Bosch 90mm magnetos, like 1977-86 Puch, or 1977-79 Batavus, need a 6V 21W headlight bulb instead of a 12V 26W #1156, in order for the tail lite to be bright.

Brake light: Some bikes have issues where the brake light is needed for the ignition to function. On those with a single 2-filament bulb, they might loose spark when the brakes are applied with a 12 volt #1157 bulb. Then they need a 6 volt #1154 light bulb. On those with two 1-filament bulbs and a secret hidden resistor inside (connected in parallel with the brake light), they normally do not loose spark when the brake light bulb is wrong, burned out, disconnected or missing. See tail lights. 

Battery power: Large motorcycles and cars have headlights powered by battery. With a battery the voltage is steady and limited. Those lights do not burn out often (except maybe from vibration). When several lights are powered by one battery wire, and one of them burns out, the others are normally not affected.

Generator power: Small motorcycles and mopeds have headlights powered by generator. With a generator the voltage rises and falls with engine speed, and can become too high at times. When several lights are powered by one generator wire, and one of them burns out, the others get more voltage and become brighter. Then soon they also burn out from that over-voltage. For example, you are riding along and you speedometer light suddenly gets brighter. That might mean your tail light just burned out, and soon the head and speedometer light will follow.

Watts matching: With generator power and without a solid-state voltage regulator, for each generator output wire, the total watts of all the bulbs powered by that wire must match the rated watts of that generator output. Generators (magnetos) usually have more than one lighting output. For example a 1977 Batavus has a 6-wire Bosch magneto with 3 lighting outputs 6V 5W (for 6V 5W bulb), 6V 10W (for 6V 10W bulb), and 6V 22W (for 6V 21W plus 6V 1.5W bulbs). When the correct bulbs are used, the watts match. Then the lights are not too bright going fast, and not too dim going slow. 

Voltage regulation: Bulb watts matching and multiple lighting outputs became obsolete in the 1980’s with the advent of low-cost efficient and reliable solid-state (electronic) voltage regulation. A regulator makes the generator behave like a battery, with a maximum voltage limit. Some makes had this earlier in the 1970’s, like Motobecane. Under the headlight was a 2 inch box with cooling fins. A thing that looks like a 80’s power transistor is screwed into it. It is actually a dual zener power diode, that regulates in both directions for AC, in this case 6 volt. It limits the voltage to below about 7 VAC. Almost all modern AC voltage regulators are 12 volt, since 6 volt equipment also became obsolete in the 1970’s and 80’s.

 


Electrical Componentry

July 14, 2014

 

Fratelli Pagani (CEV) 1930 catalog page of pocket flashlights

Fratelli Pagani (CEV) 1930 catalog page of pocket flashlights

WelcoCEVme.  Most European-made mopeds have high quality C.E.V. electrical components, made in Italy since the 1920’s by Fratelli Pagani (Pagani Brothers). C.E.V. is a trade mark that stands for Costruzioni Elettromeccaniche Venegonesi. English translation: Constructions Electromechanical of the Venegonese people (from Venegono, Province of Varese, Northern Italy). CEV is now part of ZADI.

 

ZadiZADI was founded in 1962 by Antonio Zavatti and Enrico Diacci, two former employees of Magneti Marelli. ZADI made all of Piaggio’s locks, and most 1960’s and later Italian motorcycle locks. In the 1997 ZADI purchased GKS (formerly Neiman, maker of fork locks) and other companies, forming ZADIGROUP. In 2001, ZADI purchased the electrical giant CEV, and has since become a world leader in manufacturing motorcycle and vehicle lock sets, lights, instruments, odometers, switches and electronic solutions, such as automatic parking systems. 

 

Aprilia logoAprilia (Italy) made lights and switches for many 1960’s – 70’s Italian, and some non-Italian, motorcycles and mopeds. This greyhound logo appeared on a 1972 Ducati 750GT head light. This Aprilia, an electrical equipment maker, is possibly from the industrial town of Aprilia, near Rome. The famous Aprilia motorcycle make is completely different.

 

 

Merit WMeriterke (Germany) made switches for German mopeds, and for Puch, Peugeot, and others. Merit Werke Gmbh began in 1966, in Germany then later moved to Malta, in the Mediterranean. They still make automotive switches and components, with the same MW logo, but with the name Merit Malta.

 

ULO ULO(Germany) made tail lights, reflectors, and turn signals for German mopeds, Hercules (Sachs), Kreidler, Solo, Kynast, and tail lights for many non-German mopeds, Batavus, Sparta, Puch,  Peugeot, Motobecane and Honda PA50. ULO was founded by Moritz Ullman in 1947 in Geislingen Germany. Ullman knew how to make molded glass products, like bicycle reflectors.

 

  Luxor brassLuxor (France) made head lights for French mopeds, Peugeot and Motobecane. Luxor has been making quality bicycle lights for about a century. Before electric lamps were “invented” in the 1910’s, Luxor made carbide lamps. In Europe the Luxor Motobecane head light is square. USA-model Motobecanes have a 4.5″ round sealed beam housed in a Luxor ring and bucket.

 

 

HRHR (Slovenia) stands for Hidria Rotomatika, a division of Hidria. Tomos (mopeds), Iskra (moped magnetos), and AET (moped electronics) are also divisions of Hidria. Along with many automotive and industrial products, Hidria Rotomatika made high quality controls and switches for Volocci (electric) and Tomos mopeds, 1992 to 2007. The HR switches are nicknamed “blue button” in the Myrons Wiring Diagrams, because they are part of a sequence useful for identification: TOMOS SWITCHES: 1986-91 had only “black button” CEV, 1992-07 had mostly “blue button” HR,  2002-07 also had “yellow button” Domino, and 2008-13 had only “red button” TBS.

 

Tomos Logo The Hidria Rotomatika controls are referred to here as “1992-2007 Tomos” controls. The only HR logo is on the right switch, barely visible. The “1992-07 Tomos” controls say “TOMOS” on each black plastic lever blade, but say nothing else.

 

Domino (Italy) is well known for making controls. Since the 1970’s in the US, and before that in Europe, Domino made controls for about 90% of all Italian mopeds, and for about 30% of all European mopeds. They are still going. In the 2000’s Domino also made switches, used on 2002-07 Tomos Revival, Arrow, Arrow-R and Streetmate.   

 

TBS logoTBS (India?) makes modern motorcycle and scooter controls. Their control levers, throttle, and both switch assemblies all have awesome quality and function and resist breaking. The TBS switches are nicknamed “red horn button” in the Myrons Wiring Diagrams. TBS controls (Domino compatible) are on 2008-13 Tomos mopeds, all models. 

 

PetersonPeterson (USA) made tail lights, and head lights for 1970’s American-made mopeds, like AMF and Murray. Peterson began in 1945 making automotive tail lights. They still produce head lights, tail lights, and other automotive items in their huge Grandview, Missouri plant.  

 

NioxNiox (Germany) made head lights for many 1960’s German cars, such as Mercedes Benz, and motorcycles such as Zundapp and Hercules. On 1970’s US mopeds, a NIOX 4.5″ round head light in a ULO housing was original on 1978-81 Puch Magnum. NIOX square headlights were on 1984-86 Puch Maxi Sport LS, Maxi Sport LS II, Cobra, Cobra II, and Austro Daimler. ULO-housed NIOX round headlights were also on some German moped makes like Solo (Odyssey in US). Every other German, Austrian, or Dutch moped had a CEV headlight.

 

Hella SaturnusSaturnus oldSaturnus (Slovenia) made lamps and reflectors for European cars from the 1950’s on. They began in 1921 making tin cans. Saturnus made lights for Tomos mopeds from 1988 to 2012. Their rectangular head light and rectangular signal light assemblies are similar to and interchangeble with CEV lights, but the individual parts are not. Unlike CEV, Saturnus lights lack the US DOT certification. So most USA version Tomos mopeds have CEV lights. Saturnus  is now part of Hella (Slovenia).

 

Rinder head light

Rinder head light

Derbi Laguna

CEV head light

RinderRinder (Spain) made head lights for Derbi mopeds and motorcycles. Spain had high import taxes to encourage the use of domestic components. That’s why some Derbi parts are Spanish-made-under-license, like the Walker (VDO) speedometer and the Arbeo (Dellorto) carburetor. The Rinder square-hexagon moped head light would have been on the US models, but it did not have DOT approval. That’s why the Derbi Laguna fairing has the “incorrect” shaped CEV round head light. In Europe, the Sport Coppa motorcycle and the 1970’s -early 80’s Derbi Variant mopeds, all had the “correct” square-hexagon Rinder head lights. By the late 1980’s Rinder had a rounded rectangular headlight approved by US DOT, used on the Derbi Variant Sport and DS50.

 

StanleyStanley (Japan) made head, tail, and turn lights for vintage Hondas. Koito (Japan) made headlights. Denso (Japan) made some Honda electrics. Kokusan (Japan) made electrics. Tatung made Taiwan moped speedometers.

The Czech moped, Jawa, has it’s own components.  

 


Cable Parts

July 14, 2014

Contents:
1. Pinch Bolts (knarps)
2. Ends, Adapters, Misc
3. Adjusters (adjustable stops)
4.
Ferrules (cable stops), End Caps
5. Bulk conduit (housing) and Wire

———- partition ———-
6. Cloth cable restoration

 


1. Pinch Bolts

 

P4-P10: Barrel Pinch Bolts (Knarps)


MM#  price  dia. len. max
MM#  price  dia. len. wire  part#    (length is without bolt)
oP4  $2.00  4.0 9.0  2.0  3548
oP5  $3.00  5.0 7.2  2.0  121-00416 for many throttles
P5a  $2.00  5.5 7.5  2.0  3546 for many throttles

P6a  $7.00  6.0 11   2.2  good used, MB original
P6b  $7.00  6.0 8.0  2.2  good used, Peugeot original, use P6c
P6c  $2.00  5.5 10   2.5
oP7  $2.00  7.0 9.0  2.5  3536
P7a  $3.00  7.0 9.0  2.5  632876
P7b  none   7.0 11   2.5  new, Vespa scooter original

P7c  $8.00  7.0 13   2.5  good used, Peugeot original
oP8  $2.00  8.0 8.0  2.8  4906 with plain bolt (shreds easier)
P8a  $4.50  8.0 8.0  2.8  49060R with bolt end rounded
P8b  $5.00  8.0 13   2.5  620-28020
P8c  $2.00  8.0 11   2.5  3538

P8d  $2.00  8.0
P8e  $3.00  8.0 12   4.0
P8f   none   8.0 15   2.5  long enough for hand levers
P8g  $5.00  8.0 15   2.5  long enough but no groove or lip

oP9  $4.00  9.0 9.5  3.0  
P10  $5.00  9.5 16   2.5  620-28000

Rounded screws: Most pinch bolts have a regular screw end. But some have a domed or rounded end. Those hold better and don ‘t cut the braided wire. The rounded end folds the wire into a curve when the bolt is tightened.

Domed pinch bolts hold better

Domed and regular 5mm pinch bolts with 8mm barrels

P8a rounded and P8

 

 

 

 

 

P20: Stepped Pinch Bolts

oP20  $3.00 Ø3.8 x Ø7.0 Peugeot decomp, chrome repro
P20a  $4.50 Ø4.3 x Ø7.1  Barnett remake, must grind 4.3 to 3.8

P21-P22: Loop Pinch Bolts

P10 and P11 loop pinch bolts

P21 (left) and P22

P10 and P11 taken apart

P21 (left) and P22

 

 

 

 

 

P21  $12.06 pieces M7 11 hex good used, Vespa, for ∅11 arch
P22  $7.50 6 pieces M6 10 hex, 74-91 Tomos, for ∅10 hole

P25, P27: Flat-Sided-Hole Pinch Bolts

P27a 6 x 5, P27b 7 x 6, P25 9 x 7 H60 Grimeca

P27a  $2.00  bicycle type Ø6 x 5, M5 thread
P27b  $2.00  bicycle big,  Ø7 x 6, M6 thread
oP25  $4.00  moped type Ø9 x 7, M6 thread, for Grimeca

P26: Clevis Clamp Pinch Bolts

P6 a,b,c clevis pinch bolts

P26 a,b,c

P26d heavy duty clevis clamp

 

 

 

 

 

 

P26a  $17.0 original type for Hercules, AMF & KTM
P26b  $10.0 clevis pinch bolt
P26c  $4.00 clevis adapter
P26d  $13.0 heavy duty  for Hercules, AMF & KTM

 

 

 
 

2. Ends   

 

E1: End Adapters

MM#  price 0 part# 0 cable 
E1a
$2.00 25880  brake ∅6 to ∅8.7 x 8.5
E1b$6.00 Sachs   start  ∅3 to ∅4∅6 x 13
E1c$2.00 Barnett throt. ∅3 to ∅4.8 x 7.9
E1d$1.50 25349  throt. ∅3 to ∅6.0 x 7.0
E1e$1.50 ooooo   throt. ∅3 to ∅5.9 x 4.6
E1e1 $2.00 ooooo   brake ∅6 to ∅7.0 x 9.8
E1f   $1.80 ooooo   brake ∅6 to ∅8.0 x 8.3 side-slot
E1f1 $2.00 ooooo   brake ∅6 to ∅8.0 x 10   side-slot
E1g   $2.00 ooooo   brake ∅5 to ∅8.0 x 10.3
E1g1$2.00 ooooo   brake ∅5 to ∅8.0 x 9.7
E1h   $2.00 ooooo   brake ∅6 to ∅8.0 x 9.0
E1i    $2.00 ooooo   brake ∅5 to ∅8.0 x 14.5
E1j    $2.00 25063  throt. ∅3 to ∅4.0 x 7.4
E1k   $2.00 25049  throt. ∅3 to ∅5.5 x 5.7
E1l    $2.00 25062  throt. ∅3 to ∅5.7 x 5.9
E1m  $2.00 23420  brake ∅6 to ∅9.0 x 9.0

E2: End Adapters (Anchor Pins)

These are also called holdfasts and socket bolts in some parts catalogs.

Adding a washer: For the ’70’s Domino smaller left lower lever for starting, a washer is added on the replacement, for centering the cable in the hollow lever. When the cable is centered in the lever, it performs the best and does not click or shift around.

 

E2-DA 00 $0.0     diam length years  for lever family
E2-DA 00
$1.80    ∅9.4 09.3  ’02-07 Domino Tomos 221222
E2-DA 00
$0.00    ∅0.0 00.0  ’08-17 TBS Tomos (Domino clone)

E2-D14K 
$3.00  ∅8.9 12.9  80’s Domino 
E2-D14a 
$8.00  ∅7.9 13.6  70’s Domino start lever 

E2-D14b 
$4.00  ∅7.7 15.7  D14a substitute
E2-D14 x  
$4.00  ∅7.7 15.7  70’s Domino (or Magura)
E2-AP 00
$4.00    ∅7.8 15.0  70’s-80’s Magura (or Domino)
E2-LA 00
$4.50    ∅7.8 17.9  ’92-08 HR Tomos 227169
E2-D14p   
none   ∅7.8 16.0  70’s Domino (or Magura) slotted pinch bolt

 

E3: Misc. Cable Items

E2 a,b rod ends

E3a, E3b

E3 elbow

E3c elbows

E4 inline oiler

E3e oiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

E3a$1.00 threaded rod nut M6, some cables have a rod end
E3b$4.00 threaded rod barrel, for a threaded rod end
E3c  $0.00 elbows (cable pipes) are listed in carburetor parts
E3d  $1.00 soft metal crimp on end cap, covers wire ends
E3e$2.00 in line oiler with attached cap, for oiling the cable

E4: Bicycle Ends


Comparison of moped and bicycle cable ends. 

E4a  pear  ∅3.9/6 x 9   use E5s 
E4b  barrel ∅7.0 x 7.0
E4c  inline ∅4.0 x 5.0

These bicycle cable ends are listed here to show how much different they are from motorcycle cable ends. A bicycle gear cable 4mm end could be ground down to become a motorcycle throttle cable 3mm end. A bicycle brake cable road type interchanges with a motorcycle pear or mushroom type. A bicycle brake MTB type 7mm end fits loosely into a 8 or 9mm motorcycle brake lever, but functions OK. 

E5: Solder Type Ends

End E5t
(two-piece)

Cable end wires bent into an umbrella before soldering

Wires bent into an umbrella before soldering

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

E5 a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s Cable Ends for Soldering

MM# price  diameter length hole
E5a $0.50
  000 6.0   3.0   1.7  
E5b $0.50  000 5.5   3.2   1.7
E5b $0.50  000 6.3   3.3   1.6  620-25162
E5c  none  O00 4.6   ball   1.7  620-24187
E5d $0.50  000 5.4   ball   1.7  620-24162
E5e $1.00  000 6.3   ball   1.7  620-24062
E5f  $1.00  000 3.9   7.2   1.6  620-25063
E5g  none  000 4.9   7.4   1.8  000-ooooo 
E5h  none  000 4.6  10.2  1.4  000-ooooo 
E5i   $1.00  000 6.0   7.0   1.3  620-25349
E5j   $1.00  000 9.5   9.5   2.0  620-25580
E5k $1.50  000 3.0   5.0   1.8  wp70-1012 for carbs
E5l   none   000 3.2   3.5   1.7   620-24762
E5m$0.50  3.1/5.2   7.8   2.0
E5n $0.50  3.8/6.0   6.6   2.7
E5p $0.50  4.0/6.3  10.1  2.0
E5q $0.50  3.9/6.3  11.5  2.3  620-26298 
E5s  none   3.3/5.6   8.1   1.6  620-26162 
E5t $2.00  000  8.0   9.0   2.0  wp70-1003

 
 

3. Adjusters

 

A1-A13: Screw-in Adjusters


MM# price 0 thread  0 part#   (with nuts unless noted)
A1a 
$6.00  M5-0.75  219625 for Dellorto elbow

A1b  $4.00  M5-0.80  for Puch Bing elbow
A1c  $5.00  M5-0.90  023089 for Motobecane
A1d  $2.00  M5-1.00  very coarse, for ?
A2a  $3.00  M6-1.00  hex no slot
A3a $9-$5  M6-1.00  round no slot   good used
A3b  $5.50  M6-1.00  222592 round slotted
orig 90’s Tomos blk
A3c  $4.50  M6-1.00  021222 no slot w/star nut orig Motobecane
A3d $4.00  M6-1.00 slotted shiny new, much bigger
A3d $0.00  a piece of clear fuel hose adapts it from 8 to 5 mm
oA4  $5.00  M6-1.00  hex long used       
A5a  $4.00  M7-1.00  hex used
A5b  $5.00  M7-1.00  round slotted    
A6a  $5.00  M8-1.25  round slotted  
A6b  $5.00  M8-1.25  hex slotted  short
A10  $4.00  M6-0.75  00189 without nut for Motobecane carb
A11  $4.00  1/4 – 24  aluminum             
A12  $7.50  M7-1.00  short for Motobecane decomp
A13  $5.00  M6-0.75  110437 for Dellorto, Bing, Gurtner, and Asian carbs

A1, A7: Adjuster nuts

MM#  price 0 thread  0 part#   
A1a
  $3.00  M5-0.75 219626 thin nut for Dellorto elbow
A7a  $1.50  M5-0.80 thin nut                
A7b  $1.50  M6-1.00 thin
nut
A7c  $2.00  M6-0.75 169227 thin nut hex 7
A7d  $2.50  M6-0.75 04172 thin nut hex 9 Motobecane
A7e  $1.00  M6-1.00
21157 plastic star nut  Motobecane 

A8-A9: Non-screw-in Adjusters

oA8  $5.00  in-line, for joining two 5 or 6mm sleeves
A9a  $9.00  Magura short, good used
A9b  $6.50  Magura long, good used
A9c  $5.00  Magura long remake, good used
A9d  $9.00  Magura short w/elbow for Kreidler

 

 


4. Ferrules

 

F1-F5: Step Ferrules

MM#  price  od1  od2  id2  length part# 
F1x
  $3.00  5.9  8.0  5.8  13.0  15581 for MB rear brake, use F1c
F1a
  $3.00  5.9  8.0  5.4  10.0  43678 for Peug front brk, use F1c
F1c
  $1.50  4.9  8.0  6.5  12.5  3514 zinc-plated steel, shiny
F2x
  $2.00  4.0  7.0  5.5  11.0  16944 for Motob. decomp, use F3
F3x  $0.70  4.0  7.0  5.5  10.0  zinc-plated steel, photo $3/10
F3x  $0.70  4.0  7.0  5.5  10.0  aluminum
F4a  $1.00  4.0  7.0  6.0  12.0  aluminum
F4b  $2.00  4.5  7.7  5.8  16.7  Barnett
F4c  $2.00  5.3  6.8  6.2  19.0  Barnett
F5a  $2.00  5.9 11.9 10.4 15.4  Barnett
F5b  $0.00  0.0  0.0  0.0  00.0  miscellaneous
F5c  $0.50  7.9 12.0 6.0  12.0  bicycle brake universal

The above step ferrules all fit loosely over the cable conduit. The end cap type ferrules below fit tight on the conduit, or are crimped on by special pliers. The end caps are supposed to fit tight, for several reasons: For strength and cable performance, to help keep out dirt and water (thus increasing lifetime), and for easier servicing. Unlike the step ferrules, which are necessary, the end cap ferrules are not necessary. Sometimes conduits need to be cut and the end cap ferrule needs to be left off. The conduit will still function good without end caps, as long as the adjuster or other stop piece hole, usually 2.5mm, is not too big. Without a 6mm OD end cap ferrule, a 5mm conduit will eventually slip through an improper stop piece hole, like 4mm instead of 2.5mm. But as long as the holes in the end pieces are the proper size, the cable does not need end cap ferrules.   

 

F6: End Caps

MM#  price  i.d. 
F6a  $0.50
4.8 with flare, bicycle
F6a  $1.00 4.5 with flare
F6b  $0.50 4.8 no flare
F6b  $0.50 5.1 no flare, Barnett
F6c  $0.50 4.8 no flare, Barnett
F6d  $0.50 4.0 no flare Shimano SIS
F6e  $0.50 4.5 no flare, Sachs
F6f   $0.50 5.0  620-20100 no flare, aluminum
F6g  $1.00 5.0 with flare, chrome
F6h  $1.00 5.1 with flare, used  orig on Peugeot, MB
F6i   $1.00 5.0 with flare, Puch
F6j   $1.00 5.5 with flare
F6k  $0.50 6.0 no flare, Barnett
F6m $0.50 5.5  620-20110 no flare, aluminum
F6n  none  6.1 with flare, chrome
F6o  $1.00 7.1 with flare, chrome, too big for mopeds

 

Here is a tapered punch being used to add a flare to a flareless end cap.

 

 

 


5. Bulk Items

 

B1-B6: Bulk Inner Wire

Sometimes very long cables are needed, for long bikes, or very tall handlebars, or for other things that use mechanical control cables. For 1.2mm and 1.6mm thick inner wires, up to 8 feet, it is better to use bicycle wires. beacuse they already have end(s) and cost less. The same quality 5mm conduit (housing) for bicycles costs much less than for motorcycles, and comes in colors. For thicker or longer cables, the bulk motorcycle wire and black conduit is the only choice.

top B5 7 x 7 braid, flexible bot. B3 1 x 19 braid, stiff

7 x 7 braid, flexible
1 x 9 braid, strong

B1 610-03080 ∅1.2 1×9  $0.80/ft  stiff braid (throttle)
B1 610-03080 ∅1.2 1×9  $6.00/8.5 ft WTL w/carb end
B2 610-03090 ∅1.2 7×7  none   soft braid (throttle)
B3 610-03100 ∅1.6 1×9  none   stiff braid (brake)
B4 610-03110 ∅1.6 7×7  $1.00/ft   soft braid (brake)
B4 610-03110 ∅1.6 7×7  $7.00/9.0 ft WRL w/pear end
B6 610-03120 ∅2.1 1×9  $1.30/ft  stiff braid (brake)

 

B9-B18: Bulk Conduit

B13 conduit with liner

B13 black lined

B18 silver conduit

B18  lt. grey lined

 

 

 

 

 

 

MM# 00 part# 0 OD x ID   for
MM# 00 part# 0 OD x ID  wire  price /ft color

B9   610-03310 5.5 x 2.9  2.0  none /ft black
B10 610-03315 5.5 x 2.5  1.6  none /ft black, nylon-lined
B11 610-03320 6.0 x 3.3  2.5  $1.50/ft black
B12 610-03325 6.0 x 2.9  2.0  none /ft black, nylon-lined
B13 1460 0000 4.9 x 2.0  1.6  $0.60/ft black,  nylon-lined
B14 1461 0000 4.9 x 2.0  1.6  $0.50/ft white,  nylon-lined
B15 0000 0000 5.7 x 2.0  1.6  $0.50/ft brown lined, AMF ’80’s
B16 14427 000 4.8 x 2.0  1.6  $0.30/ft yellow  
B17 14426 000 4.8 x 2.0  1.6  $0.30/ft blue   
B18 14339 000 5.0 x 1.9  1.6  $0.80/ft light gray, nylon-lined

 

B20: Bulk Sleeve

B20  1508T32  big outer sleeve 11 x 13mm black PVC
holds three 5 mm cables    $1.00/ft   new and flexible

 

 

  Find out more about the Cable Parts »


Other Controls

July 14, 2014

Contents:

Tomos 1991-2007  1. H.R.

Italian Controls     2. Ci.Te.    3. OSL    4. P.V.    5. TS 

Spanish Controls  6. Derbi 

Generic Controls 7. Mini-bike

 


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1. H.R. Controls

Below are the 1990’s Tomos controls, made by Hidria Rotomatika (HR). They contain HR-made integral switches, sold separately in Switches. HR controls are similar to ’80’s Domino black, but most of the parts do not interchange with Domino.

HR controls are on 1992 to early-2008 Tomos, specifically 1992-93 A35 Bullet, A35 Bullet TT, A35 Golden Bullet, A35 Golden Bullet TT, 1992-95 Colibri 1993 to early-08 Sprint, 1994-01 Targa, Targa LX, 1998-99 TT Classic, 2002-04 Tomos Tomos, Tomos LX, 2005 to early-08 ST, LX. They are also on Volocci electric mopeds.

   part#  price    description
026561 $0.70 wedge bolt M6 x 16 allen
027222 $3.00 pivot bolt
030040 $1.00 nut for pivot bolt M6-flange
222617 $4.00 cone that digs into handle bar, use 223713
223700 $95.0 R assembly brake/throttle no grip
223701 $55.0 L assembly brake no grip
223702 $39.0 L housing brake only
223703 $40.0 R housing brake/throttle
223704 $24.0 lever L HR 92-07 Tomos black, they say TOMOS molded-in
223704 $18.0 lever L HR 92-07 Tomos black, replica, says TOMOS
223705 $26.0 lever R HR 92-07 Tomos black, plastic levers with round bumps
223705 $18.0 lever R HR 92-07 Tomos black, replica, with round bumps
223706 $20.0 throttle twist tube 92-08 Tomos
223707  N/A    sliding block (not D1 or D1L) see mopedjunkyard.com
223707  N/A    sliding block see also substitute pinch bolt  
223708 $2.50 screw that holds throttle twist tube
223708 $2.50 pinch bolt for sliding block
223709 $13.0 throttle helper spring
223710 $3.00 brake helper spring Left
223711  none  L grip black vinyl octagon with raised dome bumps
223712 none  R grip black vinyl with dome bumps, used, last one
223713 $4.00 cone that digs into handle bar
227169 $4.50 brake cable holdfast/socket bolt  longer than other kinds
227996  none  brake helper spring right     these break often but they still work good
229556 $7.00 adjuster slotted M6   there are also $2 ones not knurled not slotted
M5adj   $2.00 adjuster M5 for throttle & choke

 


2. Ci.Te. Controls

Ci.Te. is an Italian moped lever used on 1960’s and early 1970’s Italian mopeds. They are similar to 1970’s Domino levers. You can see that in the side-by-side comparisons below. Domino blades have the D9 special stepped tube 6mm ID, that snaps into the 8mm pivot hole, to spread out the load over a large area. Ci.Te. levers are more primitive in that the blades rub on the pivot bolt in just two places, and so the pivot bolt gets cut by the sharp edge of the folded sheet metal.  Domino levers also have assist springs, but Ci.Te. levers do not. Ci.Te. controls have no facility for mounting brake light switches. Ci.Te. lever blades do not have balls on the end. These last two things are required on USA mopeds. So therefore Ci.Te. levers are rare in the USA. Out of almost 1000 moped levers, new and used, mostly Magura and Domino, there was only one Ci.Te. lever blade. That is how rare they are in Southern California 1970’s -1990’s 20 moped shops leftover parts inventories plus 100’s of local mopeds turned into parts.

Ci.Te. levers on 1968 Lambretta Lambretino

Ci.Te. controls on 1968 Lambretta Lambretino

Ci.Te. right lever assy on 1970's Zanetti

Ci.Te. on ’65 Zanetti

 

 

 

 

Ci.Te. Levers 1 Ci.Te. Levers 2
Ci.Te. left and right controls. Right control with no lever $80

 

Ci.Te. and Domino left lever assys Ci.Te. and Domino left lever assy 2 Ci.Te. and Domino left lever assy 3 Ci.Te. and Domino chrome brake levers
Ci.Te. and Domino left control comparison.
Both use M6-1.0 adjusters. Ci.Te. has 7mm brake cable hole. Domino has 8mm.

 


Ci.Te. and PV right control comparison.
Both have 9.5 x 7.1 x 10mm sliders. Ci.Te. has a thinner twist tube channel.

 


PV (left) and Ci. Te. (right) sliders.
Middle is a modified PV slider that fits Ci.Te. Price $20
Above is the cutting tool with the same diameter as the throttle twist tube.

 

 

 

 


3. OSL Controls

O.S.L. levers are heavy duty and high quality Italian controls, used on some mid to late 1980’s US model mopeds including Safari, Benvenuti, and Cosmo (Colt). They look like Domino, except for the kink in the middle of the lever. Myrons does not have any OSL controls or levers for sale. They were (almost) never on any mopeds sold in California. Out of a thousand moped levers at MM, this is the only OSL sample.

OSL left lever assy

OSL left lever assy

OSL left lever assy top side

OSL left lever assy top

OSL left lever assy bottom

OSL lever bottom

OSL left lever assy showing brake light switch plate inside lever

shows brake switch plate inside lever

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


4. P.V. Controls

P.V. is an Italian moped lever, used on Benelli, Guzzi, Intramotor Gloria, Testi, Rizzato and other Italian mopeds. None of the parts interchange with Domino. The lever blades are all black plastic, as are the throttle twist tubes. The housings are cast aluminum. The housings break easily when the bike falls over. Instead of a pivot bolt they have a press-in 6mm roll pin.

P.V. Levers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 #  Guzzi part#  price   description
0
0  4860.3390  $0.00  R control assembly with grip
00  4860.3290? $0.00  L control assembly with grip
00  4862.3290? $0.00  L control assembly no grip
0
1  0000.0000  $6.00  sliding block (different from Domino)
01  0000.0000  $0.00
  width 9.5, height 7.1-7.8, length 10.0
02  0000.0000  $4.00  clamp tube ∅5.1 ∅9.0 x 7
03  0000.0000  $3.00  pinch screw substitute D2
04  0000.0000  $3.00  twist tube screw subst. D3
05  4860.5690  $22.0  R brake lever ∅8 hole
06  4860.5790  $22.0  L brake lever ∅8 hole hole
07  0000.0000  n.a. 0  pivot roll pin ∅5 x 14
07  0000.0000  $1.50  substitute screw w/lock nut M5x20
08  0000.0000  $1.50  clamp screw M5 x 22 slot
09  0000.0000  $7.00  throttle tube
10  0000.0000  n.a. 0  R housing
11  0000.0000  $35.0  L housing 
12  0000.0000  $7.00  start  anchor pin ∅7
13  0000.0000  $4.00  brake anchor pin ∅8
14  4860.5590  $34.0  start lever ∅7 hole
15  4860.3590  $0.00  R grip ribbed short
16  4860.3090  $0.00  L grip ribbed short

 

 


5. TS Controls

TS vintage Italian controls are uncommon. They appear to be Domino compatible.

TS throttle control

 

 


6. Derbi Controls

Derbi brake levers $21 each

Pre-1987 Derbi mopeds had their own brake levers, made by Derbi, and throttles and grips made by Ideale. From 1987-90 they had Domino Italian made controls.

Brake Levers

The brake lever mounts were welded to the handlebar. So there is no changing controls without changing handlebars or grinding off the original lever perches/housings. Changing handlebars is difficult because the original Derbi handlebars also do not interchange with the rest of the world, because they have special mounts welded onto them.

Pre-1980 had black plastic brake levers, and post-1980 had black metal ones. The aftermarket metal brake levers, made by Vmotoparts, replace both the 70’s plastic and the 80’s metal levers.

 

Decompression Lever

The original black plastic 1976-1986 Derbi Rabasa decomp levers are scarce or not available. However there is a pretty good substitute available. A late 1980’s Domino choke lever, like on the later 86-89 Derbi Variant Sport, can be modified to fit an earlier Derbi.

Derbi decomp levers top

Derbi decomp levers top:
1, Domino choke original
2. Substitute for Derbi    
3. Derbi decomp original

Derbi decomp levers bottom

Decomp levers bottom:
Domino choke mods –
widen pivot hole to 6mm
round off upper “corners”

Derbi substitute decomp lever

Substitute lever #2

Derbi substitute decomp lever pulled in

Substitute lever pulled in

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The substitute Derbi decomp lever can be ordered for $12 plus $5 for the modification.

Compared to a universal small clamp-on lever, the benefits of the Domino choke modified lever are:

1. No need to modify the original cable. (With a BMX bicycle lever, the sleeve stop hole is wider. The cable must be cut to insert a wider stop piece. But then the inner wire must be replaced to get the length lost by cutting back, and then a small 5 x 8mm pinch bolt soldered on properly. More difficult.)

2. No need to grind off the welded-on mount. No interference with the lights/horn switch.

3. Goes in the original position, looks proper. The word “choke” wipes off with carb spray solvent.

 

 

 

 

 


7. Universal Controls

These are the universal throttles and levers:

1. Magura throttle

2. Generic throttle control with grips

3. Generic brake levers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1.  $20.0 #26-mag  Magura universal throttle, no grips, uses a P5 pinch bolt cable end 5.5 x 8 mm
1.  $20.0 #26-mag  fits an installed throttle cable with 28 mm upper exposed length, as shown
2.  $15.0 #26-0321 generic throttle w/hard plastic grips, uses a P5 pinch bolt cable end 5.5 x 8 mm
3.  $18.0  #12106   pair of generic bicycle brake levers, uses a bicycle type ∅7 cable end

 

 

 

 


Magura Controls

July 14, 2014

 

Magura 1975 logo

Contents: 
A. 70’s – 80’s Magura Parts
B. Magura Moped Controls
C. Service Information

 

Magura was founded in 1893 by inventor Gustav Magenwirth as a manufacturer of gasoline motors, hydraulic press pumps and water pressure devices. Since 1923 in Bad Urach, Germany, they have produced handlebars and handlebar controls for mopeds and motorcycles. They are an industry leader, and still produce handlebar controls for all major makes. Since the 1970s, the company has also made many products for the bicycle industry. The name Magura is from Magenwirth and Urach. The logo is from a rotary rack developed in 1930.

Magura levers late and early

Left 80’s, right 70’s

Wrap-around and Slide-type: There are two main types, wrap around where the throttle cable wire wraps around and attaches to the twist tube, and slide type where the throttle cable attaches to a block that slides in a spiral slot in the twist tube.

70’s and 80’s: It is a subtle difference, but side by side you can see there are two different folded aluminum original Magura levers. The 1980’s “late” right lever, on the left, is longer and straighter than the 1970’s “early” left lever, on the right. When they are not side by side, it is really hard to notice. 

 

 


A. ’70’s-80’s Magura Parts

 

Price colors: dark green is good-used, green is new, none means not available

 
1. 70’s left control, 2. 70’s right closed-type control,
3. 80’s right open-type, 4. 80’s right slide-type

 

 


#    price   1. Left Levers

1a  $38.0 original folded aluminum used no ball
1b  $25.0 original folded aluminum used straight
1c   $29.0 original folded aluminum used long
1d  none  original folded aluminum black
1e  $36.0 original cast (solid) aluminum used
1g  $25.0 original folded aluminum Agis black
1p  $26.0 original folded alum. with parking brake
1ar $12.0 folded steel generic no ball, for 6a with 6e
1cr $24.0 folded aluminum generic long
1dr none  folded aluminum generic black
1er none  cast (solid) aluminum TCCD
1bs $20.0 2b upside down, for 6a upside down
1bd $28.0 2b drilled to 6/6, upside down, for 6a with 6e
1gd $14.0 2g drilled to 6/6, for 6a with 6e


#    price   2. Right Levers
2a  $34.0 original folded aluminum used no ball
2b  $20.0 original folded aluminum
2bu $15.0 original folded aluminum used straight

2c   $20.0 original folded aluminum used long
2d  $32.0 original folded aluminum used black
2e  $25.0 original cast (solid) aluminum used
2g  $12.0 original folded aluminum Agis black
2ar $12.0 folded steel  generic no ball
2cr  none  folded aluminum generic long
2dr  none  folded aluminum generic black

2er  none  cast aluminum TCCD
2bd $22.0 2b drilled to 6/6, for 6a with 6e
2gd $14.0 2g drilled to 6/6, for 6a with 6e

#    price   2. Lever sets R and L: with item #s
Sgb $30.0 lever set black 2gd 1gd 6c 6c 7c 7c
Sb   $44.0 lever set short 2b 2bd 6e
Sbb $38.0 lever set short 2b 2b left bolt flipped

All of these levers interchange and are 12mm wide at the pivot. Original levers have a 6 mm top hole and a 5 mm bottom hole. Some bottoms are the same as tops, others have a cable slot.

Flipping (using a right lever on the left side or visa versa): Right and left interchange when flipped (bottom becomes top). If the lever is flipped the pivot bolt must also be flipped, unless the 5 hole is drilled to 6 and the 6/5 pivot bolt changed to 6/6.

 


#    price   3. Lower right thumb levers
3 $22.0 right thumb lever original, locks-in off bar
3a  $26.0 choke trigger and spring for early Tomos A3
3b  $22.0 right thumb lever replacement, locks-in off bar
3c 
$10.0 clamp-on metal lever substitute for #3 or 3b

 


#    price   4. Twist tubes for grip length 100 or 115

4    $32.0 100 original white (cable loads from front)
4b  $27.0 100 original black (cable loads from front)
4c  none
 115 original black (cable loads from front)

4r $25.0 100 Agis black (cable loads from back)

 


#    price   5 – 11. Hardware
 
5    $3.00 friction plate to make throttle stick (leave off)
6a  $4-$2pivot bolt 6/5 orig slot dome M5 x 20 ∅6 x 8.5
6b  $1.20 pivot bolt 6/6  allen short    M6 x 20 ∅6 x 2.0
6c  $3.00 pivot bolt 6/6  black phillips M5 x 25 ∅6 x 11.5
6d  $6.00 pivot bolt 6/6  6a with 6e    M5 x 20 ∅6 x 11.5
6e  $4.50 adapter sleeve changes 6a to 6d, ∅5 ∅6 x 3.0
6f   $0.70 pivot bolt 6/6  allen head     M6 x 20 not smooth
6g  $0.80 pivot bolt 6/6  phillips head M6 x 20 not smooth
7a  $1.00 pivot nut M5 plastic-lock original light gray
7b  $1.00 pivot nut M5 plastic-lock original black
7c  $0.80 pivot nut M5 metal nylock
7d  $0.90 pivot nut M6 metal nylock
7e  $1.00 pivot nut M5 metal nylock black
8    $7.50 left return spring
8b  $2.00 R or L return spring (not for solid cast levers)
9    $3.00 right return spring
10s $2.00 clamp screw M6x16 slot dome head
10a $0.70 clamp screw M6x16 allen head (Peugeot)
11  $4.00 socket bolt  aka cable anchor/adapter

For best performance, the pivot bolt should fit and be smooth where the lever rubs at.

 


#    price   12. Left housings: with brake switch hole

12a $15.0 70’s silver
12b $15.0 70’s black
12c $15.0 70’s silver no start lever (74-79 Tomos)
12d $17.0 70’s black no start lever (78-79 Tomos)

12e $22.0 80’s silver with mirror hole
12f  $22.0 80’s black with mirror hole

12g $15.0 80’s silver no start lever (80-84 Tomos)
12h $15.0 80’s black no start lever (84-85 Tomos)

#    price   12. Left housings with threaded brake cable hole

12p $40.0 70’s silver (Peugeot and Solex)
12q  N/A    80’s silver (Peugeot and Solex)

#    price   12. Left housings no brake light switch hole

12n $10.0 80’s silver no brake light switch hole

 


#    price   13. Right housings with brake switch hole
Magura wrap around silver housing  
13a none  70’s silver
13e none  80’s silver
13f  $89.0 80’s black

13c $79.0 70’s silver with choke slot (74-79 Tomos)
13g $790 80’s silver with choke slot (80-85 Tomos)
13h $75.0 80’s black with choke slot

’74-85 Tomos Thumb button activates choke by allowing grip to twist in reverse.

#    price   13. Right housings with threaded brake cable hole

13p $69.0 70’s silver (76-79 Peugeot)
13q $75.0 80’s silver (80-83 Peugeot)

#    price   13. Right housings no brake switch hole

13n $45.0 70’s or 80’s silver (Euro version)

 


#    price   14 – 15. Grips (singles)

14   $3.00 left  grip  100 mm black ribbed original
14b $11.0 left  grip  100 mm black waffle used
14c $6.00 left  grip  115 mm black block original
15   $18.0 right grip 100 mm black ribbed original
15b $14.0 right grip 100 mm black waffle used
15c $9.00 right grip 115 mm black block original

 


#    price   16 – 18. Left lower levers:
16   $14.0 start lever new black plastic with screw
16b $32.0 start lever aluminum long w/screw (Puch 2-spd)
17   $2.00 pinch screw 4mm
18   $3.00 pivot pin
18b $1.00 pivot pin substitute screw M4x20

 


#    price   20. Grip sets

20   $12.0 grip set 105 mm #14, 15 ribbed replica
20g $19.0 grip set 105 mm #14, 15 ribbed grey

20c $12.0 grip set 115 mm 14c, 15c block original

 


#    price   21. Right housings: slide type

21b $34.0 black for slotted-slide (some 84-86 Puch)
21   $25.0 black for screw-slide (some 78-83 Puch)

 


#    price   22 – 25. Slide throttle parts:

22   $3.00 roll pin for twist tube 2.15 x 26 for 2.0 hole
23   $3.00 screw for sliding block (some 78-83 Puch)
24   $15.0 screw type slide (some 78-83 Puch)
24b none  slot type slide (all 84-86 Puch)
25   $28.0 twist tube Puch slide-type plastic


Magura slider: left is worn, right is new

 

 


#    price   R. Right controls   $$ is new, $$ is good-used
with threaded brake light switch hole (BLSH), unless noted

R1    none  70’s silver
R1b  none  70’s black
R2   $95.0 70’s silver, auto-choke (74-79 Tomos)
R2b  none  70’s black, auto-choke (78-79 Tomos)
Magura late black right control
R3   $130  80’s silver
R3b $120  80’s black
R3r  $110  Agis black
R4    none  80’s silver, auto-choke (80-85 Tomos)
1979-85 Tomos controls
R4b  none  80’s black, auto-choke (84-85 Tomos)
R4r  $100  Agis black, auto-choke
R5p  none  70’s silver, threaded brake cable hole (Peugeot)
R5q none  80’s silver, threaded brake cable hole (Peugeot)
Magura late open wrap around right control
R6b  $110 70’s black open-type wrap-around
R7b  none 80’s black open-type wrap-around
R8    $110 80’s black slide-type (Puch Maxi Luxe)
R8c  none  80s blk slide-type cast lever (Magnum)

 

 


#    price   L. Left controls   $$ is new, $$ is good-used
with threaded brake light switch hole (BLSH), unless noted
Magura left control Tomos 213706
L1   $62.0 70’s silver
L1b $75.0 70’s black
L2   $59.0 70’s silver brake only (74-79 Tomos)
L2b $60.0 70’s black brake only (78-79 Tomos)
Magura late silver left control 
L3   $77.0 80’s silver
L3b $60.0 80’s black
L4   $59.0 80’s silv brake only (80-85 Tomos)
L4b $59.0 80’s blk brake only (84-85 Tomos)

Magura parking brake left control Magura 80s black Agis left control no start lever
L4p $42.0 80’s park-brake, no BLSH (Tomos trike)
L4r$39.0 80’s black Agis threaded brake cable hole
L5p  N/A    70’s silver, threaded brake cable hole (Peug)
L5q  N/A    80’s silver, threaded brake cable hole (Peug)
 
L6    N/A    80’s black (78-84 Puch Maxi Luxe)
L6e $60.0 70’s black (78-79 Puch Magnum)
L6c $68.0 80’s black (80-84 Puch Magnum)
L8   $24.0 start only (Sachs 505 foot brake)

 

 

 


B. Magura Moped Controls 

 

 


Sears Allstate throttle control

Sears Allstate right control

Sears Allstate left control

Sears Allstate left control

Magura “Open Wrap Around” silver controls are used on 1950’s and 1960’s Puch, Tomos, Sears Allstate, and many others. Some are cast aluminum levers, and some are folded sheet aluminum.

Most of these did not have threaded holes for brake light switches.

Ball-end levers began in the 1970’s, for safety.  

 

 


Magura late open wrap around right control

Magura late open wrap around right control

Magura black left

Left black housing,
both start cable and
brake cable holes are
plain with bottoms

Magura “Open Wrap Around” black controls were on 1980’s Euro models, but not on US models.

Like the other Magura wrap around throttle controls, the twist tube has a groove that locks onto a tab in the housing. The two are locked together first, then slid onto the handlebar. Once on the handlebar they cannot become separated.

These have a plain hole with bottom, for the brake cable. Most do not have a hole for the a brake light switch.

 

 

 


Peugeot or Not Peugeot: There are two ways to stop the brake cables. The Peugeot way is to have 6mm threaded bottomless holes in the housings with 6mm adjusters stopping the cables. The non-Peugeot way is to have the housings stop the cables (or the inline Magura-type adjuster) with a slotted recess (hole with a bottom) instead of threads. You can convert to Peugeot style by drilling and tapping to M6-1.0 thread. But there is almost no adjustment range (because most of the hole is already too big, 7mm).

Magura wrap around throttle illustration

Magura right control
(with choke trigger)
plain with bottom
for no adjuster or
Magura type adjuster

Magura wrap around throttle threaded brake hole

Magura right control
(with choke trigger)
threaded M6-1.0 for
brake cable adjuster

Magura left housing versions

Brake cable hole versions:
L, threaded bottomless hole (Peugeot)
R, plain hole with bottom (non-Peugeot)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Magura wrap around silver housing

Magura right housing
with brake switch hole,
brake cable hole is plain with bottom

Magura left control Tomos 213706

Magura left control for
Tomos (no start lever),
no brake switch hole,
brake cable hole is
plain with bottom

Magura “Wrap Around” silver controls are used on 1970’s Batavus, Colombia, Flandria, Foxi, Flying Dutchman, Hercules, JC Penney, Kreidler, KTM, Kynast, Murray, Odyssey, Puch, Sachs, Sears, Sparta, 74-85 Tomos, and others. These US models all had threaded holes for brake light switches. Most Euro and Canada models did not have brake light switch holes. 

The brake cable holes on both sides have two versions, M6 threaded bottomless (Peugeot style), or 7mm plain hole with bottom (non-Peugeot style). 

These controls on US models all had ball-end levers except for Sears Free Spirit.

 

 


Magura-clone right control

Magura-clone right control

Magura-clone left control

Magura-clone left control
no start lever (Tomos type)

Magura-clone “Wrap Around” black controls are used on 1979-85 Tomos Silver Bullet. They are made in Yugoslavia to be Magura-compatible. 

Black Magura Levers

Magura-clone levers

The brake cable holes are 7mm plain with bottoms. 

 

 

 

 


Magura late silver left control

Magura late left control

Magura late silver right control

Magura late right control
shown with no grip

 

Magura “Late Wrap Around” silver controls are used on 1980’s Colombia, Hercules, Murray, Puch, Sachs, 79-83 Trac, and others. The housings are thicker and less rounded. The left has a mirror hole. US models had threaded holes for brake light switches. But most Euro and Canada models did not have brake light switch holes. In these photos you cannot tell if there are brake switch holes or not.

The brake cable holes on both sides have two versions, M6 threaded bottomless (Peugeot style), or 7mm plain hole with bottom (non-Peugeot style). 

 

 


Magura late black right control

Magura late right control

Magura late black left control

Magura late left control

Magura late black Tomos right control

Magura late right control
Tomos A3 choke button

Magura “Late Wrap Around” black controls are used on 80-83 Puch Maxi, 80-85 Sachs (Hercules) and others.

The brake cable holes are 7mm plain with bottoms. 

 

 

 

 


Puch-Magura “Sliding Block” black, used on 78-86 Puch deluxe models. 

Most of these are the early, common kind with a screw on the slider holding holding the cable wire. The cable wire itself has no upper end piece. It  takes a “universal” or “single ended” throttle cable.

Some of these are the late, uncommon kind with no screw on the slider. Instead the cable wire has an upper end piece 3mm “inline barrel” soldered onto it. The cable is specific to that set-up, and is “double ended”.

The brake cable holes are 7mm plain with bottoms.

Puch Magura sliding block controls

Puch Magura sliding block black controls

Magura slide throttle late (no screw on slider) and early (screw on slide)

Left: Slider with a pinch screw for Puch 1978-83
models Maxi Luxe, Newport, Sport, Magnum
(takes a single-ended throttle cable)
Right: Slider with no pinch bolt for Puch 1984-86
all models. Housing has a slot for cable.
(takes a double-ended throttle cable)

xx

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


C. Service Information

 

 

 

The tongue and groove lock together, but only when they are off the handlebar.

Magura Wrap-Around Throttle

As mentioned above, the pieces snap together, but only when removed from the handlebar.

Twist tube: The throttle housing has a tongue that goes into a groove in the twist tube. The two pieces are first locked together while off the handlebar, and then slid on as a unit. Then the twist tube is kept from moving sideways. 

Thumb trigger: Not all mopeds have this, but all the wrap-around housings have a provision for it. This is also called a choke lever or a decomp lever. The trigger has half-circle-shaped posts that slide into slots in the throttle housing, but only when off the handlebar, and in the “squeezed past max” position. Once on, the handlebar prevents it from detaching.

Tomos A3 auto choke thumb button: This button, when pushed in, lets the throttle cable go all the way slack for cold starting.  When it is not pushed in, it allows the cable to stay a little taut for normal idling. Idle speed is adjusted by the tightness of the throttle cable, at the handlebar by the Magura type cable adjuster.

Installing a throttle cable on a Magura wrap around type throttle

Installing a throttle cable on a Magura wrap around throttle

 

Installing a throttle cable: With an original Magura twist tube, the cable installs from the outer side, just behind the grip. Turn the grip forward to the closed position. Locate where the cable end is. Peel the flange of the grip there back with your thumb, and hold it there. With the other hand, place the sideways barrel end of the throttle cable into the cavity. Lay the wire over the ridge, and wrap it around the curved guide. When pulled taut it should fall into it’s groove. The throttle should pull the wire and move free.

With a Magura-clone twist tube, the cable installs from the inner side. So the twist tube has to be removed. That means the whole throttle has to be removed from the handlebar. But the cable is more protected.  

 

How to install the throttle cable:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Worn throttle cable groove: The curved cable guide groove can become worn in the middle. It can become so bad that the throttle feels like a hack saw and makes a ripping sound like a zipper. When that happens the cable will soon be cut through and break. The cause of the worn groove is lack of lubrication. Moped cables and controls need oil occasionally.

Worn Magura wrap-around throttle housing

Restoring a worn groove

Restoring a worn groove

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The remedy is to re-cut the bottom of the curved guide. The best tool is a masonry hack saw blade. It has the exact width and round shape. The linear saw is moved in a curved motion. The bottom of the channel is visually checked every few strokes, to see what areas need more cutting.

 

 


Installing a Magura brake lever spring.

 

 

Magura throttle brake and choke cable exposed lengths

Tri-Flow lubricant

 

Lubrication: Lube the cables and controls with a drip oil, like 3-in-1 or Tri Flow or any high tech lubricant. Tri Flow is thin so it penetrates in and clings to metal, like WD40. But after awhile when most of the liquid drys up, it leaves behind microscopic Teflon particles embedded in the metal surface.   

Making custom cables: Here are the distances of the exposed cable wires, for Magura wrap-around type moped controls. 

 

 


Handlebars

July 14, 2014

updated 2021-12

Contents: 

1. Handlebar Specifications

2. Aftermarket Handlebars

3. Original Handlebars 

 

 

 

 


1. Handlebar Specifications

Dimensions are width, height, rise, clamp length, control length, pullback.

Natural angle: Close your eyes, clench your hands in a fist, relax, and put both arms forward and down a little. That is the natural position of your hands. They form an angle, called θf, viewed from the front, and another angle, called θt, viewed from the top. Handlebars are all close to the average natural position of human hands. 

Positioning: Clamp-on handlebars can rotate in the clamps. During installation the rider chooses the best clamping position, for comfort and control. Most handlebars (except Clubman) are positioned with the rising part going straight up when viewed from the side. A rider with short arms might prefer a more rearward position, while a rider with long arms might want a more forward position. 

Flipping (inverting): Any clamp-on handlebar can be flipped over (inverted). But most will feel wrong and strain the wrists. Of the handlebars shown below, only the Clubman and Drag bars can be flipped over, and still feel right.

Dimensions: Six lengths can completely describe a handlebar, without the need for angles. Here the side-view angle θs, and the top-view angle θt, are calculated from the lengths R, H, P, L, W, and C.

tan(θt) = 2*P / (W-C)

sin(θf) = (R-H) / L  

Measuring: When measuring the dimensions, the end points are at the centers of the tubes, not the edges. The handlebar is placed on a flat table. With the rises vertical, the rise and height are measured from the center of the bar, straight down to the table, with 1/2 of the bar width subtracted (-0.4 inch). With the rises horizontal, the pullback is measured similarly. 

Height: Looking from the front, most handlebars, especially low ones, slant down slightly going outward, at an angle θf, because the height is less than the rise. On some handlebars, the height is greater than the rise, and θf is negative.

Pullback: Looking at most motorcycle bars from the top, the bars slant rearward, at an angle θt, because the pullback is greater than zero. When the pullback is zero, θt becomes zero. Cruiser bars are for comfort and have a large pullback, where the bar ends point more towards the back of the bike. Drag bars are for high powered acceleration, and have a small pullback for control and grip.

2D or 3D: When the pullback is zero, the handlebar is 2-dimensional and will lay completely flat. Otherwise, most 4-bend (non-Drag) bars are 3D and do not lay flat on a table. 2D handlebars are simpler to make, but don’t feel “right”, except maybe at one particular position. 3D handlebars are more complicated to make, but will feel “right” in a range of positions.  

Width: Wider handlebars allow better control. Off road bikes have wider bars. Narrow bars have less control, but are more aerodynamic for better fuel economy or higher top speed, and can squeeze through smaller spaces, like in between stopped cars.

Rise: High rise handlebars are taller, and put the hands higher. This can position the rider’s torso in a more upright position, for helping with back pain. Higher bars allow better control when standing up, like when jumping or hitting pot holes. Low rise handlebars put the rider leaning more forward. That reduces wind drag for higher top speed or better fuel efficiency.

Control length: Motorcycle handlebars need about 3 inches more control length than bicycle handlebars. They have thumb-operated levers or buttons, in addition to the finger-operated hand levers. Motorcycles have a twist throttle and a hydraulic brake on the right that takes up space. For motorcycles the minimum control length is roughly 8 inches. For mopeds it is about 6 inches. For bicycles it is about 5 inches. Any handlebar that has extra control length, can be cut shorter, up to the minimum control length, to reduce it’s width. 

Clamp length: The center straight area needs to be at least as long as the clamps. Motorcycles have wider handlebar clamps than mopeds. Here is a table of moped handlebar clamp spacings:

xxxxxxxxx xx inner  outer
Tomos A55 xx 1.7″ xx 3.1″  only this fork has enough inner space for bicycle bars with a 1″ x 1.7″ center bulge
Puch Maxi xx 1.55 xx 3.2
Hercules xxxx 1.2 xxx 2.4
Peugeot 103 x 1.2 xxx 2.3
Cimatti xxxx none xxx 2.4
Motobecane x 1.5 xxx 2.7

Applications: Not all mopeds can accept clamp-on “universal” handlebars. Some mopeds have bolt-on handlebars, where there are plates welded to the bar that bolt to the fork. Some mopeds have stem-mounted handlebars, where there is a long neck that goes inside the fork, held by a wedge bolt.

Thickness: Most modern 7/8 handlebars are  0.875 inch = 22.2 mm.

Vintage metric handlebars, are 0.863 to 0.866 inch = 21.9 to 22.0 mm.

The dual standard can sometimes cause problems.

22.0 controls on 22.2 bars: Wedge type controls, such as Domino, for 22.0 bars cannot fit on 22.2 bars. Wedge type controls do not clamp, but instead press a cone into the bottom of the handlebar. 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s “vintage” Domino controls have a fixed size hole, 22.0 mm, for 21.9 bars.

22.2 controls on 22.0 bars: Original vintage handlebars 22.0, with 1970’s Magura clamp type controls, require a strip of aluminum can under the clamp, to hold solid onto the handlebar. Otherwise the throttle slips around the bar. 1990’s and 2000’s “modern” Domino wedge type controls have a 22.3 mm hole, that works fine on either modern 22.2 or vintage 22.0 bars.

 

 


2. Aftermarket Handlebars

width 26
height 8.5
rise 7.5
clamp length 4.0
control length 6.5
pull back 4.0

 

Stock Moped chrome $25  thickness 0.872″ (22.14) 
Fits clamp type (22.6) controls and modern wedge type (22.3) controls.
Fits some vintage wedge type (22.0) controls, but some need sanding.

The width cannot be reduced by cutting
because the control length is already short, 6.5″. 


This has a 1 by 1.7″ center bulge.
Because of that, it only fits 08-17
Tomos or bikes with that fork.

width 20.3
height  5.0
rise 4.8
clamp length 3.5
control length 6.0
pull back 2.5

 

2009 Tomos Sprint
with Wald 3346 bars

Wald 3346 chrome $15 
thickness  7/8″ 0.0876 (22.3)
Only fits clamp type (22.6) controls
and modern wedge type (22.3) controls.
This is the only 7/8″ handlebar offered
here that is truly 7/8 = 0.875 inch,
because it’s American made.

 

 


3. Original Handlebars

Most Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) handlebars are available in a range of conditions. All are straight, unless noted. Some are new, some good used, and some are pitted, peeling or scratched. Some have tiny scuffs from being jostled around in parts bins. They are priced accordingly. Photos of actual choices are available, by email. 

Dual standards: Vintage European original bicycle and moped handlebars are 21.9 to 22.0 mm, to fit 22.0 controls. This metric standard lasted until the 1980’s. After the 80’s most European handlebars became 22.3 mm = 7/8 inch. 

 

Cimatti


1975 Cimatti City Bike

Cimatti 3110
$20-$45 good used

thick 0.862 (21.9mm)
width 24
height 9.6
rise  9.3
pull back 6.5
clamp length 3.0
control length 6.2

 

These bars have a plate and a clamp. The clamp has the strength to hold the bar, while the plate keeps it in that one position. The clamp will still hold if the plate is cut off. Without the plate the bar position is adjustable. Curiously this Cimatti handlebar is made by Garelli. See the tilted G logo?

 


70’s Cimatti Chic

Cimatti 2940 bars with levers
$70 very good used

thick 0.862″ (21.9 mm)
width 23
height 9.5
rise 10.0
clamp length 3.5
pull back  7.3
control length  6.2

 

 

Garelli


’76 Garelli Eureka Flex

Garelli 1975-79 bars-with-stem
500.204.5100 $35 rusted (shown)

thick 0.862 (21.9 mm)
width 22.5
height 7.9 plus stem
rise 8.3 plus stem
clamp length —
control length 5.8
pull back 5.1

These bars are on 1975-79 Garelli mopeds. They can adjust up and down, by how far the stem is inserted.

 


1978 Super Sport XL

Garelli 1977-79 high bars-with-stem
none available

thick 0.862 (21.9 mm)
width  23?
height
rise
clamp length  —
control length  5.8?
pull back

These bars are on 1977-78 Garelli Supersport XL and others.

 


’78 Garelli Super Sport LTD

Garelli 1978-79 bars-with-plate
none available

thick 0.862 (21.9 mm)
width 23,
height 11.1
rise 10.2
clamp length  —
control length 5.7
pull back 3.6

 

These bars are on certain 1978-79 models. The bottom of the handlebar has a chrome steel plate that says Garelli. The chrome handlebar plate bolts to the painted fork top plate. The fork top plate is made of stamped sheet steel. For these bolt-on bars the fork top plate was made too thin, causing most to crack near the edges of the handlebar plate. Garelli soon realized this problem, and stopped making the bars-with-plate design in 1979.

 


1978 Garelli VIP

Garelli 1978-86 clamp-on bars
507643.5100  none available

thick 0.862 (21.9 mm)
width
height
rise

clamp length
control length

pull back

These bars are on most 1980-86 Garelli, US models, and 1978-79 VIP and LTD (mag wheel) deluxe models. For about one year in 1978-79 all three handlebar designs were on Garelli mopeds, handlebar-with-stem, handlebar-with-plate, and clamp-on handlebar. But by 1980, all models had the clamp-on handlebar design, with strengthened fork top plate that did not crack easily.

 

Gitane


1978 Gitane Confort

Gitane (Testi) bars-with-plate
052181 $40 good used (shown)

thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
width 23.5
height 5.4
rise 6.6
clamp length —
control length 6.2
pull back 6.5

The 1977-80 Gitane mopeds (US models, made by Testi) had this bolt-on handlebar.

 

 

Honda


1978 Honda PA50

Honda PA50
   $50 (shown)

thick 0.862 (21.9 mm)
width  23.5
height  9.5
rise  8.3
clamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
pull back  3.0

These clamp-on bars have large holes for the electrical wires to go inside the handlebar. They have small holes for the little pins that hold the controls in a fixed position. They also have rubber-grommet covered holes for the throttle and choke or decomp cable. So altogether there are 7 holes. 

 

 

 


Kreidler

Kreidler bars
355.0301 $45 good used

Kreidler bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  24″
xxxxxx height  8.7
xxxxxxxx rise  8.8
xclamp length  3.2
control length  6.3
xxxx pull back  3.5

These clamp-on bars are on Kreidler Flory MP9 and MP19 mopeds. The handlebar has a short tab under the center, that fits into a slot in the fork top plate.

 

 


Motobecane

Motobecane clamp-on bars
21143 $20 – $40 used, straight

1977 Motobecane 50V

Motobecane 50V bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  21.5
xxxxxx height  6.3
xxxxxxxx rise  6.2
xclamp length  3.5
control length  5.5
xxxx pull back  4.6

These bars are on 1975-1980 Motobecane mopeds, US models 7, 40, 50, 50V, Moby, Le Moped.

 


Peugeot

Peugeot 103 bars
56320 (not available)

1977 Peugeot 103 LVS

Peugeot 103LVS bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width
xxxxxx height
xxxxxxxx rise
xclamp length
control length
xxxx pull back

These bars are on Peugeot 103LS and 103LVS models. They are so scarce that no sample was available for a photo and measurement.

 

 

 

1980 Peugeot 103 SPB

Peugeot SP bars
52711 $70 new old stock

Peugeot 103SP bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  22.3
xxxxxx height  7.5
xxxxxxxx rise  7.0
xclamp length  2.8
control length  6.5
xxxx pull back  4.2

These bars are on 102SP and 103SP models. They have thin wall tubing, for light weight, but they bend easily. So unbent originals are scarce.

 

 

 


Puch

Puch 1969-77 Maxi bars-with-stem
349..232..1000 $35 used, pitted

1977 Puch Maxi
bars-with-stem

Puch 1969-77 bars-with-stem

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width  23″
xxxxxx height  6.0 plus stem
xxxxxxxx rise  6.0 plus stem
xclamp length  —-
control length  5.5
xxxx pull back  2.8

These bars are on early Puch Maxi models, 1969 to 1977. The height is adjustable by the position of the stem.

 

1977 Puch Maxi
with clamp-on bars

Puch Maxi 1977-86 clamp-on bars
321..532..3011 see below for prices

Puch 1977-86 bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width 24.2″
xxxxxx height  8.8
xxxxxxxx rise  8.6
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back 4.3

These clamp-on bars are on 1978-79 Maxi Luxe, Newport, Maxi II, and 1980-86 Maxi, Maxi Luxe, Newport II.  

 

Puch Maxi fork top plates
L for bars-with-stem $15 – $10
R  for clamp-on bars  $35 – $30

1. $25 straight, clean, but pitted
2. $25 straight, clean, but pitted
3. $25 straight, clean, but pitted
4. $10 straight, badly pitted
5. $20 straight, clean, pitted
6. $20 straight, clean, pitted
7. $10 straight, badly pitted
8. $15 straight, but pitted
9. $45 straight, nice, some pitting
10. $50 straight, almost no pitting
11. $60 straight, no pitting, like new
12. $25 straight, dark blue sparkle

 

 

1985 Puch Maxi,
with tall bars

Puch tall bars
321..432..3011  N/A  used scratched

Puch tall bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.866″ 22.0 mm
xxxxxxx width 25.7
xxxxxx height  10.6
xxxxxxxx rise  10.3
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  4.1

These bars are the same as Maxi bars but taller. They are on 1977-78 Sport, Sport MkII, and 1984-86 Maxi, Maxi Sport LS, Maxi Sport LS 2. They are heavy because of thick wall tubing. 

 

1980 Magnum II

Puch tall cross bars
321..832..3011 $25-$35 used pitted

Puch tall cross bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width 25.7
xxxxxx height  10.6
xxxxxxxx rise  10.3
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  4.5

These bars are the same as tall bars, but have a curved crossbar. They are on 1979-86 Sport, Sport MkII and 1980 Magnum II.

 

1978 Magnum MkII

Puch Magnum cross bars
321..132.8012 N/A

Puch low cross bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width 25″
xxxxxx height  8.6
xxxxxxxx rise  8.4
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  4.3

These bars are similar to Maxi bars, but shorter and with a curved crossbar. They are on 1978-79 Magnum XK, Magnum MkII.

 

 


Sparta

1980 Sparta Buddy

Sparta handlebars, 8 available, from
$20 scuffed or faded, to $60 like new

Sparta bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.871″ (22.1mm)
xxxxxxx width 22.8
xxxxxx height  6.3
xxxxxxxx rise  7.3
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back 5.6

 

There are several mopeds with these handlebars: Sparta Foxi GT, Sparta Buddy, Sparta Lucky, Sparta Flying Dutchman, and others. These bars are the same as Batavus VA, Batavus Starflite, Batavus Regency bars, but with more pullback. They are made in Holland with high quality chrome that resists rusting.

 


Tomos

1979-86 Tomos controls
(made by Magura)

1986-91 Tomos controls
(made by Domino)

1992-08 Tomos controls
(made by HR)

< These Tomos controls do not have a post, so the handlebar does not need holes.

 

 

 

 

 

2001-07 Tomos controls
(made by Domino)

2008-13 Tomos controls
(made by TBS)

< These Tomos controls have a post that goes into a hole in the handlebar. When changing handlebars, holes have to be drilled. The holes have to be in a particular place to make the levers the same, and at the correct angle. 

 

 

 

 

 

1979 Tomos Bullet

Tomos 1974-1979 bars with stem
209.178 $45 used (shown)

Tomos 1974-1979 bars-with-stem

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.867″ (22.0mm)
xxxxxxx width  23.4
xxxxxx height  7.0
xxxxxxxx rise  6.8
xclamp length  —-
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  3.2

This stem type handlebar is what bicycles have. Older mopeds were more like bicycles. The stem can be positioned to make the bars higher or lower.

 

 

 

1979-1991 Tomos bars chrome
214810 $20 rusty, to $60 almost new

1987 Tomos Bullet

Tomos 1979-1991 bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.867″ (22.0mm)
xxxxxxx width 24.3
xxxxxx height  7.6
xxxxxxxx rise  7.0
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.5
xxxx pull back  3.8

 

 

 

1985 Golden Bullet

Tomos 1985-08 bars black
222888 N/A new (no holes)
222888 $13-$18 used

Tomos 1985-2008 bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0875″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  24″
xxxxxx height  7.5
xxxxxxxx rise  7.9
xclamp length  4.0
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  3.7

These bars do not have the holes for 2008-13 controls.

 

 

2010 Tomos ST

Tomos 2008-13 bars black
242199 N/A new (with holes)
242199 $12-$25 used 

Tomos 2008-2013 bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0875″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  24″
xxxxxx height  7.5
xxxxxxxx rise  7.9
xclamp length  4.0
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  3.7

These bars have the holes for late-model Domino or TBS controls.

 

 

Tomos Streetmate bars chrome
236416 $30 used (with holes)

2005-12 Streetmate

Tomos Streetmate bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0872″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  26.2″
xxxxxx height  4.2
xxxxxxxx rise  5.6
xclamp length  4.3
control length  7.7
xxxx pull back  5.7

These have holes for late Domino or TBS controls.

 

Tomos Revival bars chrome
242042 $40 (with holes)

2002-12 Tomos Revival

Tomos Revival bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0872″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  25.0″
xxxxxx height  6.6
xxxxxxxx rise  8.1
xclamp length  4.3
control length  7.5
xxxx pull back  6.7

These have holes for late Domino or TBS controls.

 

 

 


Sprockets

July 14, 2014

updated 2022-08

Contents:

A. Front sprockets

B. Rear sprockets

C. Sprocket Parts

D. Sprocket Info

 

 


A. Front sprockets

Engine sprockets are also listed with the engine parts.
Sprockets are new old stock originals unless noted.
Price: green is new, dark green is good used, low wear.

 



teeth price MMI# Minarelli#  Minarelli 15 x 10 x 5 

0
9T $12.0
4800 58.0220.0  1.0 hp V1  2.25-16
10T $20.0 4810 58.0221.0  1.5/2  V1  2.25-16
11T $15.0 4820 58.0222.0  2.0 hp V1  2.25-16
12T $30.0 4822 58.0203.0  1.5 hp C2  2.25-16
13T $25.0 4823 58.0204.0  2.0 hp C2  2.25-16
00T $2.00 4830 49.0641.0  washer ∅10 ∅22 x 0.8
00T $2.00 4840 49.0323.0  nut M10-1.25 x 6 hex17

 



teeth  price   Morini#  Morini  15 x 12 flat sided
10T $17.0 23-2550  13.5 thick for M101
11T $15.0 23-2551  13.5 thick for M101
11T $15.0
23-2508   6.0 thick S5K, S5K2
13T none  23-2534   6.5 thick for M1
13T $15.0 23-2561  13.5 thick for M1 late
14T none  23-2552  13.5 thick for M1 late
teeth  price   Morini#  
14T $15.0
23-2580  splined thick for M1 ’87-88
12T $15.0 23-2506  tapered, keyed  MO1, MO2

13T $15.0
23-2501  tapered, keyed  MO1, MO2
00T $2.00 25-4002  washer ∅12 ∅20? x 1?
00T $10.0 13-1002  nut M12-1.25 x 6 hex17

 



teeth  price   Motobecane# 
 Motobecane
11T $15-00
17352 for 40, 50 25mph, 50V 25, 30
12T none  18939 for model 40, 50 20mph
13T $00-00 20732 for model 40, 50 30mph

 



teeth  price   Puch# 00000 Puch

11T $00-00 000.050.1316 for 1.0 hp E50
13T $20-10 349.113.1132 for 1.0 hp E50
14T $20-10 349.113.1142 for 1.5 hp E50
15T none  349.113.1152 for 1.5 hp E50
16T $20-10 349.113.1162 for 1.5/2.0 E50
18T $20-10 349.113.1182 for 2.0 hp ZA50

Some original Puch sprockets still have the polyurethane covering,
but it will soon crack and fall off, because it has become brittle.

 



Tomos front for thin tire models, rear for Arrow/Racing
teeth price  Tomos#  ID looseness (mm)
18T none 
000000 28.?  0.4? flat replica
18T $65.0 
000000 27.8 0.0  flat modified, orig. center

24T none  236544 27.8 0.0  flat original for Arrow rear
25T $13.0 000000 28.3 0.5  flat replica chrome
26T $25.0 209078 27.8 0.0  flat original for thin rear tire
26T $13.0 000000 28.3 0.5  flat replica K Star
27T $13.0 000000 28.2 0.4  flat replica black
Tomos front for wide tire models
teeth price  Tomos#  ID looseness (mm)

26T $50.0
230788 28.0 0.2  dished original for wide rear tire
26T none  000000 28.?  0.4? dished replica
27T none  000000 28.?  0.4? dished replica

Tomos original sprockets made before 2008 said TOMOS and fit properly. The center splined hole fits tight and has no wiggle room. Most aftermarket sprockets, and ones made from 2008 on, do not fit properly. The center splined hole is bigger than it needs to be. 

When the center hole is too big, the sprocket does not stay centered. Instead, it shifts back and forth every revolution. That make the chain pulsate, where it gets tighter and looser every revolution of the front sprocket. It feels like always being on a bumpy road. It leads to chain wear and sometimes damage to the driveshaft splines.

 

 

 


B. Rear sprockets

Sprockets in the same family have the same centering hole,
and the same bolt hole circle.  

Families 1 to 12 sprockets are on the opposite side as the brake.
They are for mopeds and mini-cycles with a single drive chain.

 

1.  Tomos lip x 60

Sprockets in this family are kept centered by the
lip that surrounds the small 17 mm center hole.

28.0 centering lip, 17 hole, 1-chain aluminum hub
60    bolt holes diameter, M7 bolts, 415 chain
teeth
dish

⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models  
∅32 bearing


22T  4  0 27-15 Tomos 209261 A3 SP  ’75-91 Bullet 30mph

24T  4  0 $27.0 Tomos 213256 A3 GM ’76-91 Bullet 25mph

26T  4  0 none  Tomos 211847 A3 SL  ’76-89 Bullet 20mph

32T  4  0 $20.0 Tomos trike

2. Grimeca 36.5 x 62

36.5 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub or wheel
62    bolt holes diameter, M7 bolts, 415 chain
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models
   ∅32 bearing


31T 4  0 none Ward Riverside ’65-66 (Benelli)

 

 

2.  Grimeca 38.0 x 60

38.0 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub or wheel
60    bolt holes diameter, M7 bolts, 415 chain
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models
   ∅32 bearing


22T  5  0 none  generic black from treatland

24T  5  0 $25.0 Tomos 232880 good-used A35 Revival ’02 
24T  5  0 none  Grimeca steel hub 118 mm drum

24T  5  0 none  Grimeca 3 Razze 16″ cast alum. wheels

37T  5  0 none Grimeca 3 Razze 16″ from treatland

 

3.  Grimeca 39.5 x 62

39.5 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub or wheel
62    bolt holes diameter, M7 bolts, 415 chain
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models
   ∅32 bearing


22T 4  0 34-17 Tomos 217089 A3 SP ’77-86 Silver Bullet 30
22T
4  0 $17.0 good-used, low wear

24T 4  0 none  Tomos 217093 A3 GM ’77-86 Silver Bullet 25

26T 4  0 none  Tomos 000000 A3 SL ’77-86 Silver Bullet 20

27T 4  0 $24.0 Tomos 230187 A35 MC36

28T 4  0 $34.0 Malaguti H123/28 MO1 13/28T 30mph
28T 4  0 none  Pacer 230  123/28 MO1 12/28T 25mph
32T 4  0 $25.0 good-used, low-wear

30T 4  0 none  Motobecane H123/30 MO1 Sebring 17″

32T 4  0 $34.0 Malaguti H123/32 MO1 12/32T 25mph
32T 4  0 none  Garelli 500451.4.227 Gar H1 30mph

33T 4  0 $24.0 generic  black

34T 4  0 none  Demm 4.7535.1560  Demm  Smily

35T 4  0 none  generic  black

36T 4  0 none  Garelli 503551.4.227 Gar H1 25mph

38T 4  0 $32.0 Gitane 71052144      Min V1 .
38T 4  0 $19.0 good-used, low-wear
38T 4  0 $24.0 generic  black

40T 4  0 none  Malaguti H123/40   MO1 12/40T 20mph
40T 4  0 none  Pacer 230A H123/40 MO1 12/40 20mph

42T 4  0 $40.0 Cimatti 2670         Min V1 .
42T 4  0 none  Garelli 503701.4.227 Gar H1 20mph

44T 4  0 $40.0 Motron 0050         Min V1 .
44T 4  0 none  generic  black

45T 4  0 $32.0 Benelli 71.33.38.00  Ben G2   G2
45T 4  0 $27.0 Fantic black plastic

 

4.  Trac 40.0 x 62

40.0 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub or wheel
62    bolt holes diameter, M8 bolts, 420 or 415 chain 
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models
   ∅32 bearing


39T 4  0 $24.0 Trac 41201-M56-8930 used, M56 415 chain, spoke wheel

42T 4  0 $32.0 Trac 41201-CL1-000  for Daelim 420 chain, spoke wheel

 

5.  Tomos 40.5 x 60

40.5 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub 
60    bolt holes diameter, M7 bolts, 415 chain 
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models   ∅32 bearing


24T 5  0 none  Tomos 243060  A35  MC50 Jr
24T 5  0 none  243060 modified see 42.5 x 60 4-hole

28T 5  0 none  Tomos 243061  A35  MC50 Sr

 

6.  Indian 42.0 x 62

42.0 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub or wheel
62    bolt holes diameter, M8 bolts, 415 chain 
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models
   ∅32 bearing


28T 4  8 none  Indian W213-28-50 Mira wheel

30T 4  8 $43.0 Indian W213-00-50 spoke wheel

40T 4  0 $34.0 unidentified

 

7. Grimeca 42.5 x 66

42.5 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub or wheel
66    bolt holes diameter, M7 bolts, 415 chain 
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models
   ∅35 bearing


20T 4  0 $9.00 generic 633084 too small, must modify

22T 4  0 $20.0 generic for Tomos with non-Tomos wheels

28T 4  0 none  Malaguti H123/28M Morini MO1 13/28T 30mph
28T 0 none  Pacer 247 H23/28M Morini MO1 12/28T 25mph

30T 4  0 $30.0 Garelli 000966.4.234 Garelli G2,V2 Gulp, VIP
30T
4  8 none  Bernardi H123/30B  Morini MO1 .

32T 4  0 none  Malaguti H123/32M Morini MO1 12/32T 25mph
32T 4  0 none  Garelli 500601.4.299 Garelli H1 mags 30mph
32T
4  8 none  Bernardi H123/30B  Morini MO1 .

35T 4  0 $27.0 generic flat

36T 4  0 none  Garelli 506873.4.234 Garelli H1 mags 25mph
36T 4  8 none  Bernardi H123/36B  Morini MO1 .

39T 4  0 none  Batavus H123/39M Regency M56 w/mags
39T 4  0 $38.0 Trac 41201-M56-8900 used, M56 w/mags #415
39T 4  0 $29.0 Trac 41201-M56-8900 Eagle M56 w/mags #420

40T 4  0 none  Malaguti H123/40M Morini MO1 12/40T 20mph
40T 4  0 none  Pacer 247A  23/40M Morini MO1 12/40T 20mph
40T 4  0 none  Hercules 0890 222 000 Sachs 505 .
40T 4  8 none  Bernardi H123/40B  Morini MO1 .

42T 4  0 none  Garelli 501501.4.234 Garelli H1 mags 20mph
42T 4  0 $29.0 Trac 41201-HA1-000 Daelim mags #420 M6 holes
42T 4  0 $29.0 Trac 41201-HA1-000 Daelim mags #420 M7 holes

42T 4  7 $34.0 generic dished black

44T 4  0 none  Motron 0050B used Minarelli V1 w/mags

46T 4  0 none  Hercules 0890 239 000 Sachs 505 .

50T 4  0 none  Hercules 0890 223 000 Sachs 505 .
50T 4  0 none  Hercules 0890 239 001 Sachs 505 .

 

8. Tomos 42.5 x 60

42.5 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub or wheel
60    bolt holes diameter, M7 bolts, 415 chain
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models
   ∅32 bearing


20T 4  0 $9.00 633084 aftermarket too small, must grind

22T 4  0 $27.0 Tomos 222586 A3, A35   ’86-06 2.25-16 30mph
22T 4  0  $00.0 Tomo    A55 derestricted ’07-18 2.25-16 35mph

22T 4  0 $20.0 222586 aftermarket  .

24T 4  0 $25.0 Tomos 227361 A3, A35   ’86-91 2.25-16 25mph
24T 4  0 $00.0 Tomos    227361 A3/A35 ’04-06 3.25-16 30mph
24T 4  0 $00.0 Tomo    A55 derestricted ’06-13 3.25-16 35mph
24T 5+4 $29.0 243060 modified to replace 227361

28T 4  0 $10.0 Tomos 223119 A55 orig. ’07-18 2.25-16 30mph

31T 4  0 $14.0 Tomos 227863 A55 orig. ’06-13 3.25-16 30mph

 

 

9.  General 44.0 x 62

44 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub 
62    bolt holes diameter, M8 bolts, 415 chain 
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#
    ∅90 small hub models


40T 3  0 none  General 2150-5482 for Sachs 505/1A

44T 3  0 none  General 1150-5482 for Minarelli V1 

50T 3  0 none  General 2150-5483 for Sachs 505/1B

⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#    ∅110 big hub models


40T 4  0 $32.0 General 1150-5482 for Sachs 505/1A

 

10. Grimeca 45.5 x 66

45.5 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub or wheel
66    bolt holes diameter, M7 bolts, 420 chain
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models
   ∅35 bearing


42T 4  0 $28.0 Columbia 713-0227 used, worn Sachs 505 25/30mph

48T 4  0 $32.0 Columbia 713-0228 used, low-wear Sachs 505 20mph

Columbia sprockets do not have lightening holes.

 

11. Derbi 53.0 x 65

53.0 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub or wheel
65    bolt holes diameter, M8 bolts, 415 chain
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models
   


30T 4  0 $38.0 Derbi 000.821.3030 Variant SL, SLE, TT

33T 4  0 none  Derbi 0F0.131.0031 Variant Sport

42T 4  0 $36.0 Derbi 000.791.3030 C-5 Diablo, RD50

 

12.  Trac 62.0 x 80

62.0 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub or wheel
80    bolt holes diameter, M8 bolts, 420 chain
teeth
dish
⇓ holes ⇓ price  link  part#  engine  models
   


44T 4  0 $30.0 unidentified, maybe Honda

 

 

 



Families 13 to 18 sprockets are on the same side as the brake.
The drum brake is in the center of the sprocket,
for 2-chain hubs with both motor and pedal chains

 

13. Leleu 81 x 93

81  centering hole diameter, 2-chain aluminum hub
93  bolt holes diameter, M6 bolts, 415 chain

teeth pat dish price  link  part#  engine  models 70 brake drum


35T  4     10  none  Motobecane 23043 model 7 30mph

39T  4     10  none  Motobecane 54183 model 7 20, 25mph

42T  5p   10  none  Peugeot 68855 black 102 U3 30mph

48T  6p     $39.0 Batavus 44.420 M48 VA, HS50, Starflite 20, 30

50T  6p     $25.0 Batavus 44.379 M48 VA, HS50, Starflite 25 mph
50T  6p     8  $12.0 good-used, low-wear

50T  5p   10  $30.0 Peugeot 64150 black 102 U2 25mph

 

14. Angel 92 x 112

92 centering hole diameter, 1-chain hub 
112    bolt holes diameter, M6 bolts, 420 chain
teeth pat dish price  link  part#  engine  models 80 brake drum


40T   4    14  $26.0  Taiwan

44T   4   5.5  $25.0  Taiwan 

50T   4   8.0  $25.0 Taiwan (Angel)

 

15. Grimeca 94 x 107  

This sprocket family is for Grimeca 90 mm 2-chain hubs
with internal shield brake plates, instead of external.

94  centering hole diameter, 2-chain hub or wheel
107  bolt holes diameter, M6 bolts, 415 chain

teeth pat dish price  link  part#  engine  models 90 brake drum


38T  4d     none  KTM Foxi 1210.060.000 Sachs 504 spoke wheel
38T   5      0  none  KTM Foxi 0000.000.000 Sachs 504 mag wheel

40T  4d     none  generic black   from treatland
40T  4d   14  none  Kynast Flying Dutchman Sachs 504  spoke whl

45T  4d     0  $55.0 Hercules 0890 215 000 Sachs 504 25, 30 mph
45T  4d     0  $35.0 good-used

50T  4d     0  none  Hercules 0890 211 000 Sachs 504 20 mph
50T  4d     0  $28.0 good-used, low-wear

 

16. Leleu 94 x 104

94  centering hole diameter, 2-chain hub or wheel
104  bolt holes diameter, M6 bolts, 415 chain

teeth pat dish price  link  part#  engine  models  80 brake drum


36T  5p    12  none  Peugeot 51608 103L2 U3=30mph
36T 5p6p 12  $29.0 good-used, not worn
36T  6p    12  none  Sparta 055029 Sachs 504 25/30mph
36T  6p   7.5  $16.0 generic black

36T  6p    12  $40.0 Kreidler 265.02.11 MP-9, MP19 Flory 30/25

38T  6p   7.5  $24.0 generic chrome

39T  5p    12  none  Batavus 44.521 M56 Regency w/spoke wheel

40T  5p    12  $35.0 Peugeot 40947 103L2 U2=25mph
40T 5p6p 12  $25.0 generic vintage
40T  6p   7.5  none  Puch 349.141.0401 Puch ZA50 spoke wheels
40T  6p   7.5  $20.0 generic light grey
40T 
6p   7.5  $24.0 generic chrome
40T  6p   7.5  $15.0 generic used

44T  6p    10  $45.0 Motobecane 20090 ’74-80 40, 50 25/30
44T  6p    10  $30.0 good-used, low wear
44T  6p    12  $35.0 Kreidler 000.00.00 MP-9, MP19 Flory 20mph

45T  6p   7.5  none  Puch 349.141.0451 Puch E50 spoke wheels
45T  6p   7.5  $30.0 good-used low wear
45T  6p   7.5  $15.0 good-used 

48T  5p    12  $35.0 Peugeot 48795 103LS U1, 103L2 U1 20mph
48T 5p6p 12  $25.0 generic vintage, tight fit, needs grinding
48T 5p6p 12  $25.0 generic vintage
48T  6p    10  $30.0 Motobecane 53873 ’76-78 40, 50 20mph
48T  6p    12  none  Sparta 055029 Sachs 504 20mph models

52T  5p    12  $38.0 Peugeot 51608 103LVS U2, U3  103SP U3
52T 5p6p 12  $16.0 generic black

54T  6p    10  $45.0 Motobecane 20093 ’74-80 50V 25/30
54T  6p    10  $30.0 good-used, low wear

56T  5p    12  $35.0 Peugeot 54443 103SP U2=25mph
56T  5p    12  none  good-used, low wear

59T  5p    12  none  Peugeot 61443 black 103SPR U2, U3

 

17. Grimeca 98 x 115

98  centering hole diameter, 2-chain hub or wheel
115  bolt holes diameter, M6 bolts, 415 chain

teeth pat dish price  link  part#  engine  models   90 brake drum


40T   4   7.5  $35.0 Puch 349.141.7401 ZA50 snowflake wheels

42T   5   7.5  none  generic replacement from treatland

45T   4   7.5  $35.0 Puch 349.141.7451  E50  snowflake wheels
45T   4   7.5  $20.0 good-used, low wear
45T   5   7.5 
none  Puch Korado 5-hole E50  from treatland

51T   5   7.5  none  Puch Korado 5-hole E50  from treatland

 

18. Columbia 115 x 125

115  centering hole diameter, 2-chain hub or wheel
125?  bolt holes diameter, M6 bolts, 415 chain

teeth pat dish price  link  part#  engine  models   105 brake drum


42T   4   7.5  none  Columbia 713-0244  Sachs 25/30mph

48T   4   7.5  none  Columbia 713-0245  Sachs 20 mph

57T   4   7.5  none  Columbia 713-0246  Solo 20/25/30

 

 

 



C. Sprocket Parts

Part# colors: Italian (MMI), Tomos, Taiwan, Puch .

 

 #  holes price  holes   bolt 0  Locking Plates .
 #  holes price   c-c   pattern   part#  .
21 2-M8 $4.00 43.8 ∅62 x 4 1150-5481 Gen/Trac 110/90
00 0-M0 $0.00 for 4. 40 x 62, 6. 42 x 62, 9. 44 x 62 (4-hole)
22 2-M6 $5.50 81.3 ∅115×4 349.141.7181 Puch   90 mag
00 0-M0 $0.00 for 17. 98 x 115 “snowflake mag” 2-chain
31 3-M8 $5.00 53.7 ∅62 x 3 1150-5478 General 90 hub
00 0-M0 $0.00 for 9. 44 x 62 (3-hole)
41 4-M7 $4.50 42.4 ∅60 x 4 222583 Tomos 105/90 hub/mag
00 0-M0 $0.00 for 5. 40.5 x 60, 8. 42.5 x 60
42 4-M7 $4.00 43.8 ∅62 x 4 H122     Italian/Tomos  90 hub
00 0-M0 $0.00 for 1. lip x 62, 3. 39.5 x 62
43 4-M7 $5.00 46.7 ∅66 x 4 H122M  Italian 105/90 hub/mag
00 0-M0 $0.00 for 7. 42.5 x 66, 10. 46.5 x 66

hex head  price 00 part000# chains   Sprocket Bolts .
mm size  price  00  part# 00000  type drum type .
M6 x 16 /00 $0.80 
000000000000 2 alloy 70/80 hub

M6 x 20 /00 $1.00  000000000000 2 steel  90 hub
M7 x 18 /00 $1.00  H124 0000000  1 steel  90 hub
M7 x 20 /00 $0.80  H124alt
M7 x 22 /00 $1.70  025208 H124T  1 alloy  90 hub
M7 x 25 /00 $0.80  02630400000  1 alloy105 hub/mag
M7 x 30 /00 $0.80  025210 H124M 1 alloy  90 mag
M7 x 35 /00 $1.00  02630500000  1 alloy105 wide hub
M8 x 35/34 $0.60  611-0803400o 1 alloy  90 hub
M8 x 40/43 $0.60  611-0804300o 1 alloy110 hub

mm size  hex  price   part#       Sprocket Nuts .
M6 x 5 hex10 $0.30  000000  regular
M7 x 6 hex11 $0.60  000000  regular

M7 x 7 hex11 $1.20  H124A   tall nut
M8 x 7 hex13 $0.80  000000  regular

 

 

 



D. Sprocket Info

How to tell the chain pitch by measuring the sprocket

1. The teeth are counted. That gives n.

2. A round tapered tool like a punch or chopstick is placed in the sprocket tooth valley, and slid back and forth until it matches the half circle at the bottom of the valley. The tapered tool is measured where it matched the sprocket tooth valley. That gives dr.

3. If the tooth count n is an even number, the sprocket minumum diameter is measured directly with a caliper. If the tooth count n is an odd number, the sprocket minimum diameter is estimated. That gives dm.

4. Chain pitch is then calculated.      pitch = (dr+dm)*sin(180/n)

 

 

How to calculate the holes diameter 

When the hole count n is an odd number, the holes diameter d cannot be measured directly. d must be calculated from the measured hole spacing s.   

d = s/sin(180/n)

 

 

How to tell if the teeth are worn

The valleys in between the teeth are U shaped. On a new sprocket both sides of the U are the same. As the sprocket wears, the side of the U that the chain pulls on becomes worn were the roller contacts it.

 

 

Trac Sprockets and Chains

82-84 M56 17T Eagle, Hawk              Grimeca mag 16
41201-M56-8900 sprocket 42.5 x 62 39T 4-M7
40530-M56-8900 chain #415 98L 

82-84 M56 17T Clipper, Eagle, Hawk spoke wheel 16
41201-M56-8930 sprocket 40.0 x 62 39T 4-M8
40530-M56-8900 chain #415 98L 

84-89 Daelim 12T Hawk, Image        Grimeca mag 16
41201-HA1-000 sprocket 42.5 x 66 42T 4-M6x25  
40530-HA1-000 chain #420 96L
40531-005-890 master link

84-89 Daelim 12T Clipper, Escot      spoke wheel 16
41201-CL1-000 sprocket 40.0 x 62 42T 4-M8   
40530-HA1-000 chain #420 96L
40531-005-890 master link

84-89 Daelim 12T Liberty, Olympic  spoke big hub 17
41201-005-890 sprocket 00.0 x 00 44T 4-M8x35   
40530-005-890 chain #420 00L
40531-005-890 master link

 

40.0 x 62 42T 4-M8  41201-CL1-8930?  #420  spoke wheel
chain #420

 


Chains

July 14, 2014

updated 2020-06

Contents:  1. Chain Sizes
Contents:  2. Moped Chains
Contents:  3. Master Links
Contents:  4. Chain Service Topics

Contents:  5. Myrons Chain List

Contents:  6. Moped Chain History

 


1. Chain Sizes

Chains

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pitch is the distance from one link to another. Pitch matters the most. The pitch, in eighths of an inch, is the first digit of the motorcycle chain size. 

Roller Width (Wr) is the distance between the insides of the chain inner plates.

Named width is the minimum width of chain, and the maximum width of sprocket. The named width, in eighths of an inch, is the second and third digit in the motorcycle chain size.

Roller Diameter (Dr) is the third thing that matters for fitting a given sprocket.

Any replacement chain must have the same pitch and roller diameter (Dr). The roller width (Wr) should be the same but can be a little more. The roller width is correct for the sprocket width when the chain can move side-to-side on the sprocket, but only a little bit. So the sprocket width needs to be a little less than the roller width.

410, 410H  4/8 x 1.0/  pitch    roller 0 Dr 0 Dp  0  Wr 0   sprocket
410, 410H  4/8 x 1.0/
pitch x width 0 Dr 0 Dp 0 range     width     Cycle chains      
410, 410H  4/8 x 1.0/8  1/2 x 1/8″0 7.95  3.58  3.2-3.5  2.6-2.9  bicycles (without derailleur)
415, 415H  4/8 x 1.5/8  1/2 x 3/16″ 7.95  3.58  4.8-5.3  4.2-4.5  most mopeds, motorcycles
420, 420H  4/8 x 2.0/8  1/2 x 1/4″0 7.95  3.97  6.3-6.5  5.7-6.0  some mopeds, motorcycles
425, 425H  4/8 x 2.5/8  1/2 x 5/16″ 7.95  3.97  7.9-7.9  7.2-7.6  motorcycles
428, 428H  4/8 x 2.5/8  1/2 x 5/16″ 8.51  4.76  7.9-7.9  7.2-7.6  motorcycles
520, 520H  5/8 x 2.0/8  5/8 x 1/4″0 10.2  5.08  6.3-6.3  5.7-6.0  motorcycles
525, 525H  5/8 x 2.5/8  5/8 x 5/16″ 10.2  5.08  7.9-7.9  7.2-7.6  motorcycles
530, 530H  5/8 x 3.0/8  5/8 x 3/8″0 10.2  5.08  9.5-9.5  8.7-9.1  motorcycles
630, 630H  6/8 x 3.0/8  3/4 x 3/8″0 11.9  0.00  9.5-9.5  8.7-9.1  motorcycles

43, 000   4/8  x  1/   pitch    roller 0 Dr 0 Dp 00 Wr 0   sprocket  American Standards Association
43, 000   4/8  x  1/
   pitch x width 0 Dr 0 Dp 0 range     width     ASA chains obsolete 1928-1966
43, 000   4/8  x  1/8  1/2 x 1/8″
0 7.95  3.58  3.2-3.5  2.6-2.9  bicycles (without derailleur)
42, 42H   4/8 x 3/16  1/2 x 3/16″ 7.95  3.58  4.6-5.0  3.9-4.3  heavy duty bicycles 

25, 25H 2/8  x  1/8  x  1/8  roller 0 Dr 0 Dp 00 Wr 0   sprocket  American National Standards Institute
25, 25H 2/8  x  1/8
pitch x width 0 Dr 0 Dp 0 range     width     ANSI chains   1969-on

25, 25H 2/8 x 1/8 0= 1/4 x 1/8 0 3.30  2.31  0.0-0.0  0.0-0.0  5=bushed  scooters, cam chains
35, 35H 3/8 x 3/16 = 3/8 x 3/16  5.08  3.18  0.0-0.0  0.0-0.0  5=bushed  scooters, mini-bikes
41, 000 4/8 x 1/4 0= 1/2 x 1/4 0 7.77  3.58  0.0-0.0  0.0-0.0  1=roller light gates, mini-bikes
40, 000 4/8 x 5/16 = 1/2 x 5/16  7.92  3.97  0.0-0.0  0.0-0.0  0=roller std  industrial
50, 000 5/8 x 3/8 0= 5/8 x 3/8 0 10.2  0.00  0.0-0.0  0.0-0.0  0=roller std  industrial
60, 000 6/8 x 1/2 0= 3/4 x 1/2 0 11.9  0.00  0.0-0.0  0.0-0.0  0=roller std  industrial

04B    = 000  pitch x width 0 Dr 0 Dp 0   Wr  0 sprocket  International Standards Organization
04B    = 000 
pitch x width   Dr 0  Dp    range 0
width 0 I.W 0 OW   ISO chains  

04B    = 0000  M6  x 2.8 0 4.00  1.85  2.8-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  roller     scooters, cam chains
04C    00= 25  1/4 x 1/8 0 3.33  2.31  3.2-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  bushed  scooters, cam chains
04MA 0= 25H  1/4 x 1/8 0 0.00  2.31  3.2-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  bushed  scooters, cam chains

05B    = 0000  M8  x 3.0 0 5.00  2.31  3.0-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  roller     scooters, mini-bikes

06C    00= 35  3/8 x 3/16  5.08  3.59  4.9-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  bushed  scooters, mini-bikes
06B    = 0000  3/8 x 7/32  6.35  3.28  5.7-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  roller     scooters
082    00= 00  1/2 x 3/32  7.75  0.00  2.5-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  roller     multi-speed bicycles

081    0= 410  1/2 x 1/8 0 7.75  3.66  3.2-3.5  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  roller     single speed bicycles
084    0 415  1/2 x 3/16  7.75  4.07  4.9-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  roller     mopeds
086    = 0000  1/2 x 3/16  8.43  0.00  5.0-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  roller     Jawa, bigger rollers

085    00= 41  1/2 x 1/4 0 7.77  3.59  6.3-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  roller     parking lot gates

08B    0
428  1/2 x 5/16  8.51  4.47  8.0-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  roller     motorcycles
08MC = 428H  1/2 x 5/16  0.00  4.47  8.0-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  roller     motorcycles

T8F    = 000  pitch x width   Dr 0  Dp Wr 00 sprocket  I.W 0 OW   Other chains
T8F    = 0000  M8  x 3/16  4.7?  3.25  4.8-0.0  0.0-0.0  0.00  0.00  roller      scooters, pocket bikes

 

Chain replacement: When there is nothing else close to the chain except the sprocket teeth, the three blue dimensions, pitch, width, and roller diameter are all that matter for replacing an entire chain (and the number of links). These are related to the places that touch the sprocket. If the 3 blue items on the replacement chain are the same, it will fit the same sprockets.

The exceptions are when there are other things close to the chain. On some Chinese bicycle engines with a 415 chain, the engine case is very close to the chain. A 415H replacement chain is wider, scrapes the side of the engine causing damage and breakage. On vintage Motobecane mopeds there are rubber bands on the front sprocket that interfere with a 415H, preventing it from sitting all the way into the valleys. When those are in place a 415H does not mesh well. It sounds and feels terrible. Once the rubber bands are removed a 415H replaces a 415 perfectly. See Chain Service below.

Link replacement: For replacing a master link or one or more individual links, more things matter: inner width, pin length and pin diameter. On modern chains these 3 red items are standardized. But for vintage 1970’s and 80’s chains they were not. Often several different chains interchange (fit the same sprocket), but have different pin diameters, pin lengths, and plate thicknesses. So while the entire chain interchanges, the individual links do not. For example, a vintage Puch master link would not fit a vintage Garelli chain (because the pin is too thick). But an entire Puch chain would replace an entire Garelli chain. 

Measuring: Chains for mopeds, motorized bicycles, gas or electric scooters, mini-ATVs, go-karts, mini-cars, and mini-bikes are not on most application charts. For these oddball vehicles you have to determine the chain size by measurement with a digital calipers, and counting how many link pins.

Metric and Inch Some Chinese made scooters and pocket bikes have 04B chains (6 mm pitch) instead of 25 (6.35 = 1/4″). Some have T8F or 05B chains (8 mm pitch) instead of 35 (9.53 = 3/8″). Metric chains look the same but don’t interchange with inch chains. 

H versions: The H (heavy duty) versions fit the same sprocket but have thicker wider plates and thicker longer pins. So a 415 master link won’t fit a 415H chain (because the pins are too short), and a 415H master link won’t fit a 415 chain (because the pins are too thick).

 


2. Moped Chains

Chains Oct 2012

  size 0 Dp  x I.W color  links price   part# item# master Dp x OW    says     modern replacements ½” pitch
O0
42  3.58 x 6.9 black   96L $20.0 TYC-96 xx  0    2d 3.58 x 7.2    TYC 42 xsome bike motors, Peugeot 102
O042  3.58 x 6.9 black 100L none  TYC-100 x  0    2d 3.58 x 7.2    TYC 42 xsome bike motors, Peugeot 102
O041  3.58 x 8.9 black   90L $20.0 41-90 xxxx      3a 3.58 x 9.2    MAX 41industrial American mini-bikes
O041  3.58 x 8.9 black   98L $20.0 41-98 xxxx      3a 3.58 x 9.2    MAX 41industrial, American mini-bikes
O041  3.58 x 8.9 black 240L $45.0 41-240 xxx      3a 3.58 x 9.2    MAX 41industrial, parking lot gates
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black   90L $18.0 415H-90  22     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuro mopeds, most pre-08 Tomos
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black   91L $21.0 415H-91  22     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black   92L $18.0 415H-92  22     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black   93L $21.0 415H-93  22     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuro mopeds, most 08-on Tomos
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black   94L $18.0 415H-94  22     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black   95L $21.0 415H-95  22     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black   96L $18.0 415H-96  22     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black   97L $21.0 415H-97  22     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black   98L $15.0 415H-98  22     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black   99L $18.0 415H-99  22     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black 100L $20.0 415H-100  2   3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black 101L $23.0 415H-101  2   3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black 102L $20.0 415H-102  2     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC  x  European mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black 103L $23.0 415H-103  2   3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black 104L $20.0 415H-104  2     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC  x  European mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black 105L $23.0 415H-105  2   3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black 106L $20.0 415H-106  2     3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC  x  European mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black 107L $23.0 415H-107  2   3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 chro.   98L $20.0 16096-98 23    3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC  x  European mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 chro. 110L $25.0 16096-110 0    3e 3.93 x 8.5    KMC    xEuropean mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black 110L  N/A.0 340360 A xx    3e 3.93 x 8.5    RK    x   European mopeds
415H  3.93 x 8.0 black 122L  N/A.0 491200 xx 0    3e 3.93 x 8.5    CIC    x  European mopeds
O420  3.93 x 9.4 black   84L $18.0 RK 420 x 25    4b 3.93 x 9.8    RK      x Asian mopeds
O420  3.93 x 9.4 black 100L $20.0 420-100          4b 3.93 x 9.8    plain    xAsian mopeds
O420  3.93 x 9.4 black 120L $25.0 420-120          4b 3.93 x 9.8    plain    xAsian mopeds
428H  4.45×12.0 black 120L $27.0 RK428H xx     0o  4.45×12.5   RK   xx   small motorcycles

  size  Dpin x I.W color  links price  name/photo master Dp x OW    says      vintage originals ½” pitch
O415  3.87 x 8.0 black 102L  N/A.0 Iris xxxxxx     3b 3.87 x 8.4    Iris xxxx Derbi 1970’s original NOS
O415  3.87 x 8.0 copp. 106L $55.0 Iris race  24    3b 3.87 x 8.4    Iris xxxx Derbi 1980’s racing chain
O415  3.87 x 8.4 black   90L $35.0 Regina 415     3c 3.87 x 8.7    Reg. 415Tomos 1980’s original NOS
O415  3.93 x 7.5 black   88L $40.0 Sedis xxxxx    3d 3.93 x 7.9    Sedis xxPeugeot 1970’s original NOS
O415  4.05 x 7.7 black   92L $35.0 Wcirc92 xx     4e 4.05 x 7.9    Wippermann Tomos 1970’s, others
O415  4.05 x 7.7 black   98L $40.0 Wcirc98  x      4e 4.05 x 7.9    Wippermann Tomos 1970’s, others
O415  4.05 x 7.7 black 100L $40.0 Wcirc100 x     4e 4.05 x 7.9    Wippermann Flying Dutchman, others
O415  4.05 x 7.9 black   77L $25.0 RegExtra x     5a 4.05 8.2-8.6 Reg Extra Italian 1970’s (has half link)
O415  4.05 x 8.2 black   90L $28.0 Regina x        5b 4.05 8.7-9.0 Regina xx Tomos 1970’s
O415  4.05 x 9.0 black   95L  N/A.0 RegHD xx       5c 4.05 9.2-9.4 Reg Extra Italian 1970’s (has half link)
O415  4.05 x 9.0 black 100L $65.0 Union xxx       5c 4.05 9.2-9.4 Union   x  Puch 1970’s original NOS
O415  4.14 x 9.2 nickel  96L $45.0 ČZ xxxxxx      6a 4.14 x 9.6    ČZ xxxx   Tomos 1990’s original NOS

 

 


3. Master Links

 #  type x Dpin x OW      size          price        1/4″ pitch
1a master 2.29 x 5.0 ANSI 25        $3.00 #25

 #  type x Dpin x OW      size          price        3/8″ pitch
1b master 3.57 x 7.7 ANSI 35        $3.00 #35
1c ½ link  3.57 x 7.7 ANSI 35        $3.00 #35
1d master 3.57 x 7.7 ANSI 35-2     $4.00 #35 double row

 #  type x Dpin x OW      size          price        1/2″ pitch
1e master 3.57 x 5.0 1/2″ x 3/32″ $1.50 10 speed bicycle thin
2a master 3.57 x 5.8 410 clipless   $1.00 flex to unlock

2b master 3.57 x 5.8 410(ASA 43) $2.00 #410 bicycle clip type
2d master 3.57 x 7.2 ASA 42          $6.00 Peugeot 102
2e ½ link  3.57 x 7.6 ASA 42H        $3.00
3a master 3.57 x 9.2 ANSI 41        $3.00 

3b master 3.87 x 8.3 415 Iris xxx   $7.00 Motobecane, Derbi original
3c master 3.87 x 8.7 415 Regina x  N/A    Tomos 80’s
3d master 3.93 x 7.9 415 Sedis xx  $5.00 Peugeot 103 original
3e master 3.93 x 8.5 415H xxxxx   $3.00 2004-later Tomos original
3e master 3.93 x 8.5 415H chrome  N/A    fits 1990-later
3e ½ link  3.93 x 8.5 415H xxxxxx  $3.00 fits 1990-later
4a master 3.96 x 8.8-9.2 415 Reg.  $8.00 h.d Regina Extra
4b master 3.93 x 9.8 420 xxxxxxxx $3.00 wider than 415 or 415H
4b ½ link  3.93 x 9.8 420 xxxxxxxx $5.00 thinner than 420H or 40
4d master 3.93 x 11.1 ANSI 40 xxx $5.00 40 also fits 420H
4e master 4.05 x 7.9 415 W circled $5.00 70s -80s Tomos original
5a master 4.05 x 8.2-8.6 415 Reg.  $5.00 Italian  “Regina Extra”
5b master 4.05 x 8.7-9.0 415 plain $5.00 original chain
5c master 4.05 x 9.2-9.4 415 Union $8.00 Puch, Regina Extra HD
5d master 4.14 x 8.4 415 plain xxx $2.00 Indian some say TYC 415
5e master 4.14 x 8.4 415 plain xxx $10.0 bag of 10
6a master 4.14 x 9.4 415 W circled $6.00 late 1980’s Tomos 
6a master 4.14 x 9.6 415 “ČZ” xxxx N/A    late 90’s-early 00’s Tomos
6c master 4.42 x 9.2 Jawa xxxxxxx $4.00 Jawa – thicker pin & roller
6d master 4.43 x 11.4 428H xxxxx  $5.00 small motorcycles
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Master Links Cabinet

 

 

At left is Myrons Mopeds master link cabinet, full of master links and half links from 20 other moped shops that closed in the late 1980’s in Southern California. Each of the drawers contains about 10 to 100 links. Each link was measured carefully and/or put through this gauntlet of Go/NoGo gauges, which are the actual master links and corresponding inner links contained in each drawer. From left to right, the order is smallest pitch first, smallest pin first (for that pitch), and the smallest inner width first (for that pitch and pin). Inner width for a master link is the space between the inside of the outer plates, which is slightly greater than the inner width for the chain, as in the chart below.

Notice that there are no “international” master links, like 04B (6mm) or 05B (8mm). These chains did not appear in California until the late 1990’s with the stand-up scooters, pocket bikes, and electric bikes and scooters, mostly from China.

 

 

 

 

 

 


4. Chain Service

 

How to install and remove master links.

How to install and remove master links.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Motobecane:  1970’s-1980’s Motobecane Mobylette 40, 50, or 50V mopeds, the front sprocket behind the large pulley has some rubber rings that interfere with modern 415H chains. Fortunately the two 1 1/4 inch rubber rings, one on each side of the sprocket, can be removed with something like a curved dental pick. This issue of a chain not meshing because of (unnecessary) rubber noise dampener rings contacting the outer plates instead of the sprocket contacting the rollers, also occurs on Peugeot, but not as much.

MB Front Sprockets With Rubbers

Motobecane front sprockets with rubber rings.
Left, the original IRIS chain, meshes correct.
Right, modern 415H, with taller plates,
rides up too high and does not mesh.

Motobecane front sprockets without rubbers.

Motobecane front sprockets without rubbers.
Left, the original IRIS still meshes good.
Right, the 415H meshes good now.
The end roller is cut away to see the fit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peugeot 103: Sometimes the newer “H” rated chains do not fit until after the bike is rode for a few minutes. The two rubber rings on either side of the original sprocket interfere with the larger outer plates on the 415H chain, causing the chain to run higher and not mesh well. After riding awhile the chain noise gets less, as the rubbers get squished and interfere less. Still, it is better to remove the pulley, and remove the rubber rings, shown at right, to have a smooth running chain.

Peugeot 102 front sprocket with original rubber rings. 415H chain does not mesh.

Peugeot 102/103 front sprocket with original rubber rings. 415H chain does not mesh.

Peugeot 102 front sprocket with rubber rings removed.

Peugeot 102/103 front sprocket with rubber rings removed. 415H wraps around fully.

Peugeot 102: This is the only US-model moped that uses a 42 chain, same sprocket as a 415 (1/2 x 3/16), but lighter duty (thinner pins, thinner and smaller plates). Sedis made both 415 chain for Peugeot 103, and 42 chain for the lighter weight Peugeot 102. Old Sedis chains are often cracked. Then they break/throw the chain. No fun. To use a modern 415H chain, the two rubber rings on either side of the sprocket must be removed, or it won’t mesh properly. See photos at right.

Motorized Bicycles 415 – Only Kind: Certain modern motorized bicycle gas engine kits use a 415 chain that passes very close to the engine case on both sides. These do not have enough room for the wider-on-the-outside 415H. They require a 415.

Motorized Bicycles:  415 and 410 Mixed: Certain modern motorized bicycle gas engine kits have a wide engine sprocket for 3/16 and a thin rear sprocket for a 1/8 chain. A 415 or 415H chain works but would be expected to have less retention (it would come off easier).

Motorized Bicycles:  Long Chain Runs: Motorized bicycles with long chain runs need chain guides and/or chain tensioners, or else the chain comes off when it slaps going over bumps, or when the frame or wheel flexes, or when the engine mounts shift/slip. The kits don’t usually come with any.

American Made Minibikes: There were many different manufacturers of minibikes back in the 60’s and 70’s but most of them used either a 35, 40, 0r 41 chain. Number 35 was used on most all 4-5-6 inch wheel minibikes while 41 was used on larger minicycles such as Rupp Roadster II and Speedway. Number 41 chain will not run on a number 40 sprocket. Number 40 chain will run on a number 41 sprocket but it will be wider than needed.

Fun Karts and Minibikes: Many chains have the chain size stamped directly on the chain links. #35, 40, 41 and 420 chain are used in the Fun Kart and Mini Bike industry. An 11 or 12 tooth clutch sprocket usually indicates the use of #35 chain. 10 tooth clutch sprockets usually indicate the use of #40, 41 or 420 chain.

More about ANSI chains:   http://chain-guide.com/applications/1-1-1-ansi-roller-chains.html

More about sprockets:  http://www.gizmology.net/sprockets.htm

More about International chains:  http://www.renold.com/Support/ChainInformationCentre/Chain_Standards.asp

 Why all of this madness about chains?   All through the 1970’s and 1980’s when you needed a master link for your moped, you had to get it from a dealer that sold that kind, or else you had to bring in your chain and hope they could find one that fit. If you had a Motobecane and you needed a master link, you could not get one from a Puch dealer, even if you showed them your chain. Their master links had thicker pins. For decades, owners have been frustrated when they bought a #415 master link for their chain, and it did not fit. That’s because there are 18 or so different 415-compatible chains. By the 1990’s no moped shop sold master links, instead they made you buy a whole chain. Thankfully, there is much better standardization in this century, in moped chains. But there are still a lot of older moped chains and substitutes that are all different. So it’s still not possible to tell (guess) what master link a customers moped needs over the phone. Some things never change… 

   

 


5. Myrons Chain List

Scan up and down the chart looking for similarities. Notice how the pitch P, and roller width W, and roller diameter D, can be the same for many different chains. Too bad the pin diameter A can vary with the maker. Ouch. A pin too big won’t fit. A pin too small will fit, but will be loose. The only way to get the correct master link is by knowing the pitch P, roller width W, roller diameter D,  inner width W+2*T, and pin diameter A.

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Wire Gauges    MYRONS COMPLETE CHAIN SIZE CHART made from many charts combined
BS10=3.25mm                 by Shaun Strahm  Feb 2013
US10=3.57 Chain  ANSI     ISO std      JIS std      BS
BS 9= 3.66   ISO=  International Organization of Standardization ####### #########################
US 9= 3.97   ANSI  American National Standards Institute bush B29.1   ISO 1395   JIS B1801
BS 8= 4.06   ASA  American Standard Association (old name) roller B29.1   ISO 606     JIS B1801
US 8= 4.37   BS =  British Standard or “Metric Chain” heavy use B29.1   ISO 3512
BS 7= 4.47   JIS =  Japanese Industrial Standards bicycle          ISO 9633   JIS D9417   BS 228
US 7= 4.76   JCAS  Japan Chain Association Standards motorcycle          ISO 10190  JCAS 1     BS 6715
BS 6= 4.88   DIN=  Deutsches Institut für Normung ####### #########################
US 6= 5.16  ISO 606 (DIN 8187) is European
 ANSI B29.1 (DIN 8188) = American
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           (dimensions in millimeters)       calcd master link
 Chain  A#   chain   roller   roller   pin   plate  inner     pin max     min         quotes = directly measured
  Size  or    pitch   width   diam  diam  thick  width  length pin    inner         ? = estimate or guess
 P x W ISO#  JIS#     P        W        D        A       T   W+2T     R dia  width Std   Source      Application/Notes
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CHAIN SIZE   #    pitch   width   roller   pin   plate  inner  outer master link     S M A L L E R      C H A I N S :
3/16x 3/32 03C 15      4.76   2.38   4.00   1.85   0.60   3.78   6.80 ISO   hzpt.com       industrial
M5 x 2.5 03B           5.00   2.50   3.20   1.49   0.60   3.70   7.40 BS/DIN beijingthc.com
M6 x 2.8 04B           6.00   2.80   4.00   1.85   0.60   4.00   7.40 BS/DIN beijingthc.com
M6 x 2.8 04B           6.00   2.80   4.00   1.85   0.60   4.00   6.80 BS    hzpt.com       industrial
M6 x 2.8 04B           6.00   2.80   4.00   1.83   0.61   4.02   6.30 BS    Allied-Locke   industrial
1/4 x 1/8 04C 25      6.35   3.18   3.30   2.30   0.75   4.68   7.60 ANSI hzpt.com   (bush, not roller)
1/4 x 1/8 04C 25      6.35   3.18   3.30   2.29   0.76   4.70   7.92 ANSI Diamond   (bush, not roller)
1/4 x 1/8 04C 25      6.35   3.18   3.30   2.28   0.76   4.74   8.64 ANSI docstoc.com  (bush, not roller)
1/4 x 1/8 04C 25      6.35   3.18   3.30   2.30   0.75   4.68   8.60 ANSI chainsprocketpulley.com
1/4 x 1/8 04C 25      6.35   3.28   3.25   2.27   0.80   4.60   7.95 ANSI “25” direct measure
1/4 x 1/8 04MA 25H    6.35   3.18   3.30   2.30   1.00   5.18   8.90 ANSI mdmetric.com (bush)
1/4 x 1/8 04MA 25H    6.35   3.18   3.30   2.30   1.00   5.18   9.00 ANSI hzpt.com   (bush, not roller)
1/4 x 1/8 04MA 25H    6.35   3.22   3.25   1.99   1.00   5.22   8.95 ANSI “DID 25SH”
1/4 x 1/8 04MA 25H    6.35   3.28   3.25   2.0?   1.00   5.18   8.95 ANSI “25H” (PC50 cam chain 42L)
M7.8 x 4.7 05MA 219    7.77   4.68   4.59   3.00   1.20   7.08   11.5 JCAS mdmetric.com (bush)
M8 x 3.0 05B           8.00   3.00   5.00   2.31   0.80   4.60   8.20 BS    hzpt.com       industrial
M8 x 3.0 05B           8.00   3.00   5.00   2.31   0.75   4.50   8.2? BS/DIN beijingthc.com
M8 x 3.0 05B           8.00   3.2      5.00   2.3     0.75   4.7   8.2? BS/DIN ocm.co.jp  industrial
M8 x 4.7 05T           8.00   4.70   4.73   3.05   1.25   7.20   11.0 ISO   hzpt.com       industrial
M8.5 x 4.8 05MC 270H  8.50   4.75   5.00   3.28   1.80   8.35   13.3 JCAS mdmetrics.com (bush)
3/8 x 5/32 old     9.53   4.00   6.28   3.23   1.25   6.50   10.9      “W” circled    (roller) Tomos A3
3/8 x 5/32 old     9.53   4.05   6.35   3.2?   1.30   6.65   10.6   “Regina Extra” (roller) Tomos A3
3/8 x 3/16 06C 35      9.53   4.76   5.08   3.58   1.27   7.30   11.8 3.57×7.7 ANSI Diamond       (bush, not roller)
3/8 x 3/16 06C 35      9.53   4.76   5.06   3.56   1.30   7.36   11.7 3.57×7.7 ANSI “ANSI 35”  (bush, not roller)
3/8 x 3/16 06C 35      9.53   4.76   5.08   3.58   1.27   7.30   12.7 3.57×7.7 ANSI docstoc.com  (bush, not roller)
3/8 x 3/16 06C 35      9.53   4.85   5.10   3.6?   1.35   7.55   11.9 3.57×7.7 ANSI “Regina ASA 35” (bush)
3/8 x 3/16 06C 35      9.53   4.99   4.99   3.6?   1.10   7.19   11.7 3.57×7.7 ANSI “KMC 35” (bush) Tomos A35/55
3/8 x 7/32 06B           9.53   5.72   6.35   3.28   1.32   8.36   13.4 BS/DIN ocm.co.jp  industrial
3/8 x 7/32 06B           9.53   5.72   6.35   3.28   1.30   8.32   13.2 BS    hzpt.com        industrial
3/8 x 7/32 06B           9.53   5.72   6.35   3.28   1.27   8.26   12.5 BS/DIN beijingthc.com
3/8 x 7/32 06BH           9.53   5.72   6.35   3.28   1.50   8.72   14.0 ISO   hzpt.com     industrial
3/8 x 1/4           9.53   6.35                obsolete ?
3/8 x 5/16           9.53   7.94    5.03   3.6?    ?.??   13.5?  15.5            (bush, not roller)
3/8 x 3/8 06MA T3F    9.53   9.50   6.00   4.50   1.80   ??.?   18.6        (China only) (bush)
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CHAIN SIZE   #    pitch   width   roller   pin   plate  inner  outer master link     B I C Y C L E   C H A I N S :
1/2×11/128           12.7   2.2?   7.75   3.6?   0.7?   3.6?   5.5 special ISO   wikipedia      bicycle 11sp Camp
1/2×11/128           12.7   2.2?   7.75   3.6?   0.8?   3.8?   5.9 special ISO   wikipedia      bicycle 10sp Camp
1/2×11/128           12.7   2.2?   7.75   3.6?   0.8?   3.8?   6.2 special ISO   KMC X10       bicycle 10 speed
1/2×11/128           12.7   2.2?   7.75   3.6?   0.9?   4.0?   6.6 special ISO   KMC Z9000   bicycle 9 speed
1/2 x 3/32           12.7   2.4?   7.75   3.58   0.9?   4.2?   7.1 special ISO   KMC Z72       bicycle 7-8 spd
1/2 x 3/32           12.7   2.4?   7.75   3.58   1.0?   4.4?   7.3 special ISO   KMC Z50       bicycle 6-7 spd
1/2 x 3/32           12.7   2.5?   7.75   3.58   1.0?   4.5?   7.8 none ISO   KMC Z30       bicycle 5-6 spd
1/2 x 3/32 082           12.7   2.40   7.75   3.63   1.0?   4.4?   8.1 none BS/DIN THC 47 beijingthc.com
1/2 x 3/32           12.7   2.45   7.70   3.57   1.00   4.45   7.5 none ISO   “Sedisport”    bicycle 5-6 spd
1/2 x 3/32           12.7   2.55   7.71   3.58   1.00   4.55   7.9 none ISO   “W.S.  7-6”   bicycle 5-6 spd
1/2 x 1/8 081         12.7   3.30   7.75   3.66   1.10   5.50   10.2 3.57×5.8 BS/DIN hangzhou bicycle 1-spd
1/2 x 1/8 43      12.7   3.40   7.75   3.63   1.02   5.40   9.4 3.57×5.8 ANSI THC 42 beijingthc.com
1/2 x 1/8 410    12.7   3.45   7.71   3.57   1.00   5.45   8.8 3.57×5.8 ISO  “TAVA  Taiwan” bicycle 1sp
1/2 x 1/8 old     12.7   3.46   7.74   3.57   0.95   5.36   9.2 3.57×5.8 ISO  “U” Union-Styria  bicycle
1/2 x 1/8 410    12.7   3.50   7.68   3.59   1.00   5.50   8.8 3.57×5.8 ISO  “KMC   Z”     bicycle 1-spd
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CHAIN SIZE   #    pitch   width   roller   pin   plate  inner  outer master link     M O P E D   C H A I N S :
1/2 x 3/16 42      12.7   4.80   7.77   3.63   1.02   6.84   10.8 3.57×7.2 ANSI OCM chain S Series
1/2 x 3/16 42      12.7   4.95   7.75   3.58   1.02   6.95  10.6 3.57×7.2 BS   “TYC 82D”    freight bicycle
1/2 x 3/16 42      12.7   5.00   7.74   3.57   1.02   7.00   11.1 3.57×7.2 old  “Sedis France” Peugeot 102
1/2 x 3/16 42H   12.7   5.00   7.72   3.58   1.27   7.54   12.? 3.57×8.0 ANSI “42 USA”
1/2 x 3/16 old     12.7   5.02   7.72   3.87   2.00   9.02   14.5       “Regina Extra”  h. duty Italian
1/2 x 3/16 old     12.7   5.04   7.68   3.88   1.50   8.04   13.2 3.87×8.2       “IRIS”     Derbi, Motobecane
1/2 x 3/16 415     12.7   5.02   7.72   3.89   1.70   8.42   13.8        “Regina 415” Tomos A3
1/2 x 3/16 415    12.7   5.04   7.75   3.92   1.25   7.54   11.7 3.92×7.9         “Sedis France” Peu 103, Batavus
1/2 x 3/16 415    12.7   5.03   7.71   3.95   1.25   7.53   11.8 3.92×7.9         “unmarked”  round rivets
1/2 x 3/16 415    12.7   5.05   7.73   3.96   1.25   7.55   12.2 3.92×7.9         “Sedis France” round rivets
1/2 x 3/16 415    12.7   4.88   7.75   3.96   1.30   7.48   12.5 3.92×7.9 ISO   ZHC chain     moped
1/2 x 3/16 415H  12.7   4.99   7.69   3.92   1.50   7.99   13.1 3.92×8.5 JCAS “KMC K415H”  bmx freestyle
1/2 x 3/16 415H  12.7   5.00   7.67   3.93   1.50   8.00   13.1 3.92×8.5 JCAS “C I C” Tomos A35 mid 00’s
1/2 x 3/16 415H  12.7   4.92   7.71   3.93   1.50   7.92   13.2 3.92×8.5 JCAS “RK 415H”  moped/freestyle
1/2 x 3/16 415H  12.7   4.95   7.68   3.93   1.50   7.95   13.3 3.92×8.5 JCAS “415H”  brownish color
1/2 x 3/16 415H  12.7   4.88   7.75   3.96   1.50   7.88   12.8 3.92×8.5 JCAS ZHC chain    moped
1/2 x 3/16 old     12.7   5.00   7.73   4.05   1.30   7.60   12.2 4.05×8.2        “W” circled Tomos A3 original
1/2 x 3/16 old     12.7   5.05   7.73   4.04   1.40   7.85   12.9 4.05×8.2        “Regina Extra”  Italian mopeds
1/2 x 3/16 old     12.7   5.33   7.69   4.07   1.82   8.97   14.7 4.05×9.2        “Regina (underlined)” Italian
1/2 x 3/16 084         12.7   4.88   7.75   4.09   1.80   8.48   14.8 4.05×9.2 BS    hangzhou      industrial
1/2 x 3/16 old     12.7   5.00  7.75   4.05   2.00   9.00   14.3 4.05×9.2        “Styria” Union Puch original
1/2 x 3/16 old     12.7   4.92   7.72   4.14   1.43   7.78   12.1 4.13×8.3        “unmarked”   industrial
1/2 x 3/16 old     12.7   5.11   7.72   4.14   1.90   8.91   14.5 4.13 x 9.4        “Regina (underlined)” Italian
1/2 x 3/16 old     12.7   5.35   7.68   4.14   1.90   9.15   14.5 4.14×9.6        “ČZ” silver  Tomos A35 late 90’s
1/2 x 3/16 old     12.7   4.88   7.75   4.18   1.50   7.88   12.8 4.14×8.3        chainsprocketpulley.com
1/2 x 3/16 old     12.7   5.0?   8.4?   4.43   1.4?   7.8?   14.? 4.43×9.2        “unmarked” unknown
1/2 x 3/16    086 Jawa  12.7   5.0?   8.43   4.43   1.82   8.6?   14.? 4.43×9.2        “unmarked” Jawa original
1/2 x 1/4 085 41      12.7   6.25   7.75   3.58   1.25   8.85   13.7 3.57×9.2 BS    hzpt.com     light duty
1/2 x 1/4 41      12.7   6.45   7.70   3.57   1.25   8.85   13.3 3.57×9.2 ANSI “MAX 41”   light duty
1/2 x 1/4 41      12.7   6.35   7.75   3.58   1.27   8.89   13.0 3.57×9.2 ANSI Diamond     light duty
1/2 x 1/4 08MA 420    12.7   6.35   7.75   3.96   1.50   9.35   14.5 3.92×9.7 ISO   ZHC chain   motorcycle
1/2 x 1/4 08MA 420    12.7   6.35   7.72   3.95   1.50   9.35   14.8 3.92×9.7 JCAS “EK 420”     Asian mopeds
1/2 x 1/4 08MA 420    12.7   6.35   7.74   3.93   1.50   9.35   14.7 3.92×9.7 JCAS “DID 420”   Asian mopeds
1/2 x 1/4 08MA 420H  12.7   6.35   7.75   3.96   1.80   10.0   15.7 3.92×11.0 ISO   ZHC chain   motorcycle
1/2 x 1/4 420H  12.7   6.35   7.70   3.96   2.00   10.4   17.3 3.92×11.0 JCAS EK chain      motorcycle
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CHAIN SIZE   #    pitch   width   roller   pin   plate  inner  outer master link     L A R G E R      C H A I N S :
1/2 x 5/16 08A           12.7   7.85   7.95   3.96   1.50   10.9   16.6 BS    hzpt.com      industrial
1/2 x 5/16 40      12.7   7.94   7.94   3.96   1.52   11.0   16.0 ANSI Diamond     industrial
1/2 x 5/16 40      12.7   7.9?   7.9?   3.92   1.5?   11.?   15.? ANSI “Japan 40”   industrial
1/2 x 5/16 08B           12.7   7.85   8.51   4.45   1.62   11.1   16.7 BS/DIN ocm.co.jp  industrial
1/2 x 5/16 428    12.7   7.97   8.43   4.45   1.50   11.0   16.4 JCAS “DMC 428”  motorcycle
1/2 x 5/16 08MC 428H  12.7   7.75   8.51   4.45   2.03   11.8   18.3 ISO   ZHC chain    motorcycle
1/2 x 5/16 08MC 428H  12.7   7.94   8.51   4.50   2.00   12.0   19.6 JCAS EK chain      motorcycle
5/8 x 1/4 10MA         15.9   6.25   10.2          2.40   11.1   18.9 ISO   mdmetric.com
5/8 x 1/4 520    15.9   6.35   10.2   5.24   2.00   10.4   18.6 JCAS EK chain      motorcycle
5/8 x 1/4 520    15.9   6.35   10.2   5.08   2.00   10.4   17.7 JCAS ZHC chain    motorcycle
5/8 x 1/4 520H  15.9   6.35   10.2   5.24   2.42   11.2   18.9 JCAS ZHC chain    motorcycle
5/8 x 1/4 520H  15.9   6.35   10.2   5.24   2.20   10.8   19.5 JCAS EK chain      motorcycle
5/8 x 5/16 525    15.9   7.94   10.2   5.08   2.03   12.0   18.7 JCAS ZHC chain    motorcycle
5/8 x 5/16 525H  15.9   7.94   10.2   5.24   2.42   12.8   20.4 JCAS ZHC chain    motorcycle
5/8 x 3/8 10A          15.9   9.40   10.2   5.08   2.03   13.5   20.7 BS    hzpt.com     industrial
5/8 x 3/8 10MB          15.9   9.40   10.2          2.00   13.4   20.9 ISO   mdmetric.com
5/8 x 3/8 50      15.9   9.53   10.2   5.08   2.03   13.6   20.1 ANSI Diamond      industrial
5/8 x 3/8 530    15.9   9.53   10.2   5.08   2.00   13.5   20.9 JCAS ZHC chain    motorcycle
5/8 x 3/8 530H  15.9   9.53   10.2   5.08   2.42   14.3   21.9 JCAS ZHC chain    motorcycle
5/8 x 3/8 530H  15.9   9.53   10.2   5.38   2.40   14.3   23.0 JCAS EK chain      motorcycle
5/8 x 3/8 532    15.9   9.53   11.1 JCAS                    (bigger roller)
5/8 x 3/8 10B           15.9   9.65   10.2   5.08 BS    Morse          industrial
5/8 x 3/8 12MA         19.1   9.40   11.9           2.40   14.2   25.9 ISO   mdmetric.com
3/4 x 3/8 630    19.1   9.53   11.9   5.95   3.20   15.9   25.2 JCAS EK chain      motorcycle
3/4 x 3/8 632    19.1   9.53   12.7 JCAS                    (bigger roller)
3/4 x 7/16 12B           19.1   11.7   12.1   5.72 BS    Morse          industrial
3/4 x 1/2 60      19.1   12.7   11.9   5.94   2.39   17.5   25.1 ANSI Diamond      industrial

 

 

 


6. Moped Chain History

Vintage Moped Chains: Vintage bikes often have obsolete chains, or they specify the size in an obsolete way. Vintage equipment used the inch size, pitch x width. Modern motorcycles all use chain model numbers, like 428, 520, 630. The above chart shows that connection. In mopeds, there are 18 different chains, all size 415, or 1/2 x 3/16. They have different pin diameters and inner widths. In modern mopeds there are about 3 or 4.

Moped Chain History: When a shop installs a new chain, they throw the leftover pieces in a box. As the years go by, layers of chains accumulate, with the oldest ones at the bottom, as long as no one mixes up the pile.  That’s one way to “date” chains. At Myrons, certain boxes of parts have been untouched since about 1985 to 1995. Only one little scrap of modern 415H chain was in that material, from those years. Not even 415H master links were in that time zone. This little scrap is what Shaun believes to be the earliest example of a 415H chain. Shown below on the Motobecane sprockets, it’s gold and  says “Taiwan”. Taiwan bicycle products and machinery blossomed in the 1980’s. China made components came out about 15 years later.

Italian Chain History: At least five different Regina chains are original on 1970’s and 80’s Italian made mopeds, two that say “Regina Extra” and three that say “Regina” underlined.  See their pictures above. They all have different master links! Craziness!

Regina pin x width   plates      name                         closest master link                 next closest 
3.96  x  9.0      2.0    Regina Extra              4a.  reg1 (3.96 x 9.2-9.5)     420H (3.93 x 9.8)
3.89  x  8.4      1.7    Regina 415                3e. 415H (3.93 x 8.5) 
4.05  x  7.9      1.4    Regina Extra              5a.  reg2 (4.05 x 8.2-8.6)     415H (3.93 x 8.5)
4.05  x  9.0      1.8    Regina (underline)     5c.  puch (4.05 x 9.2-9.4)     420H (3.93 x 9.8)
4.14  x  8.9      1.9    Regina (underline)     6a. tom1 (4.14 x 9.4-9.6)
 

Tomos Chain History: At least seven different Tomos chains have been used over the years.

Regina Underlined Tomos A3 1970's Regina Italy 1970’s 3.89 x 8.4

W Circled early Tomos  Germany late 1970’s 4.05 x 7.9

W Circled late Tomos A3  Germany 1980’s 4.14 x 9.4

ČZ chain Tomos A35 4.14 x 9.6 ČZ chain Slovenia? late 1990’s 4.14 x 9.6

CIC 415H Tomos A35 early 2000's 3.93 x 8.5 CIC 415H Taiwan? mid 2000’s 3.93 x 8.5

plain 415H Tomos A55 2007-on 3.93 x 8.5 415H China? late 2000’s 3.93 x 8.5

W Circled Germany 2013-on 4.14 x 9.6  Germany 2013-on 4.14 x 9.6

 

Above, seven Tomos chains take three different master links. The pins range from 3.89 to 4.14mm thick. The inner width ranges from 7.9 to 9.6mm. “Inner width” means measured between the inside walls of the outer plates. A wider inner link will not fit inside a narrow outer link.

First the “Regina underlined” (3.89 x 8.4) on early A3, and Wippermann (4.05 x 7.9) also on early A3, then Wippermann (4.14 x 9.4) on late A3, then ČZ (4.14 x 9.6) on A35, then CIC 415H on late A35, and now plain 415H (3.93 x 8.5) on A55 models. The chains got thicker and wider and taller on the outside, as the decades progressed. The pins got thicker, and then thinner, and now thick again: 3.89 ->4.05 -> 4.14 -> 4.14 -> 3.93 ->3.93 ->4.14. Same thing with inner width: 8.4 -> 7.9 -> 9.4 -> 9.6 -> 8.5 ->8.5 ->9.6. Perhaps this is why Tomos stopped selling master links…