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History

The history of the original Indian motorcycle began in 1897. Read Mark Daniels excellent article “The Fall”, the full history of Indian, at http://www.icenicam.ukfsn.org/articles5/art0084.html. This is the best Indian History article ever!

History of the Indian Four Stroke Moped:  Around 1977 American Moped Associates (AMA) purchased the Indian trademark from bankruptcy court for $10,000. 

Indian Info Sheet from 2002

Indian Info Sheet from 2002

American Moped Associates designed the Indian moped and got Merida Industry in Taiwan to produce it.

AMA designed the frame, bought the tooling and rights from Honda, and got Merida to produce it.

1973 Honda PC50

1975-77 Honda PC50K1
later OHV engine
(not overhead cam)
same engine as Indian

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Excerpt from Mark Daniels “The Fall” article: Across the East China Sea in Japan, Honda had decided to discontinue its old four-stroke mopeds and replace these with new two-stroke models.  Following a 10-year production run, the PC50-K1 was pensioned off in February 1977 … but the engine design and a number of cycle ancillary components were licensed on to AMA to manufacture again at their Merida factory in Taiwan. The result was the Indian AMI50 ‘Chief’, which first appeared on sale in 1978. Now it’s fairly obvious there are some people who’re going to say this is just a PC50 come back to haunt us, but it’s really not!  The engine is clearly a mirror design, but absolutely everything has been re-made, and not a single original Japanese Honda PC50 component or fitment has been employed.  It’s a completely new motor manufactured to the licensed blueprint, and everything is different.

Leone Accessories Catalog Jan 1982

Leone Accessories Catalog Jan 1982

 More about early 1970’s  Honda PF50 and PC50 versions is here: http://www.geocities.ws/motorcity/9748/pf50_eng_general.html

American Moped Associates had many accessories made with the Indian name, Indian saddlebags, Indian tools, Indian batteries, Indian carburetor cleaner, Indian cable locks, Indian shirts, Indian belt buckles, Indian patches, Indian decals, Indian lighted signs, Indian banners, Indian bin box labels, even Indian tires (made by Cheng Shin), and the optional aluminum 8-ray wheels made in USA by Sport Mag II. AMA had planned a 2-speed transmission for the 1981 redesigned Indian mopeds, but it never came to be. American Moped Associates, at 1852 Langley Ave, Irvine CA 92714, sold out to Carmen Deleone and his Leone Accessories company in 1982.

Leone Accessories had Indian saddlebags, Indian boxes, Indian shirts, Indian belt buckles, Indian patches, Indian decals, and the optional aluminum 8-ray wheels made in USA by Sport Mag II. Carmen Deleone only bought American Moped out for the use of the Indian name, as the mopeds were sold down and not produced. That’s why there are no 1982 or later Indian mopeds. Leone Accessories, about a year later, acquired Derbi Motor Corporation of America (DMCA). See Derbi Parts for more info on that.

While the wholesale sales of Spanish made Derbi mopeds went well, DMCA’s plans for a new Indian moped and full size Indian motorcycle for 1984 failed miserably. A few Manco go-karts were sold with “Indian 4-stroke” stickers affixed. Then the Indian name was sold off. DMCA continued to import and distribute Derbi mopeds, made in Spain, to USA moped dealers, and to supply Indian moped parts and accessories until 1989-90.

1975 Merida MC100 motocross Does this fork remind you of the Indian fork?

1975 Merida MC100 
This motocross bicycle fork looks like the moped fork.

Merida IndusMeridatry Company was started in Yuanlin (Taiwan) in Sept 1972 by Ike Tseng (1932-2012). Ike was annoyed at the poor quality of Taiwan made bicycles in 1971. It was so bad that some American bike shops at the time refused to repair Taiwan bikes, because they would not stay fixed. Pedal hard and the pressed-together DNB rear 10-speed hub would twist, throwing the rim out of true. Much of the steel was soft and weak, so on threaded things, even normal tightening would strip the threads. Ike Tseng was smart enough, as both an engineer and a business person, and determined to improve the quality of Taiwan bicycles. He also had connections in the US. Who ever started American Moped Associates probably knew Ike Tseng and/or his high-quality-Taiwan-bicycle company. 

Excerpt from http://www.merida.com/en_int/about-us-94.html, what “Merida” means, as told by Michael Tseng, current CEO and son of Ike Tseng: The man whose life motto was “move with passion and courage” chose the name “Merida” intentionally: The rough translation of the three syllables “Me-Ri-Da” means that the company’s intention is to manufacture only beautiful and high-quality products enabling anyone to reach her or his destination as pleasantly as possible. 

Excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merida_BikesMerida Industry Co., Ltd (MIC) is a Taiwan-based bicycle designmanufacture, and sales company. It was started in 1972 by Ike Tseng. The original layout was based on the Raleigh Nottingham factory as Merida began by making Raleigh bikes for the North American market. Ike was a very talented engineer, and the company grew as a well-respected OE manufacturer making many well-respected brands. Ike died in January 2012, the company is now run by his son Michael Tseng.

Merida is a glMerida 2014obal player in bicycle design and manufacturing, making 2.2 million bicycles a year at 5 factories: 1 in Taiwan, 3 in China and 1 in Germany. As at 2012 the company is a public listed company on the Taiwanese stock exchange, quoted at approximately £350 million, making it one of Taiwan’s biggest companies.

1982 Merida MX280 BMX racing bicycle

1982 Merida MX280
BMX racing bicycle

Merida now produces mainly its own Merida-branded bikes, which are present in 67 countries around the world, or selected brands which it has a financial interest in, e.g. the German brand Centurion. In 2001, Merida bought 49% of Specialized for a reported US$30 million, although its CEO and founder Mike Sinyard remained majority owner.

Merida has been co-sponsor of the Multivan Merida Biking Team, with athletes such as Jose Hermida and Gunn-Rita Dahle Flesjå, and of bicycle racing events such as the TransUK and TransWales mountain bike races. Since 2004, the team has been scoring over 30 World Cup wins as well as Olympic gold and silver medals. In 2013 Merida became co-sponsors of the Pro-Tour Lampre-Merida road racing team.

 

 

 


Other Resources

Here is a link to a Moped Army forum with some Indian manuals, articles, brochures, and (maybe) parts sources:

http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?1,232645,232645#msg-232645

 

 

 

 


Bing Magnum X

December 11, 2020

 Puch Magnum X 8.  B I N G    M A G N U M – X    C A R B S

This carb size is 17 mm instead of 14 or 12. It looks like a Kreidler Bing, but is larger.

Bing 17mm replica carb for Puch Magnum X
1. modern replica, identified by gold screws and nuts. 2. ’63 Sears Allstate Compact original with dark grey screws and nuts. 3. ’79 Puch Magnum X

Here 5 parts lists are combined into one, using 5 quantity columns.

1. 361.115.0000/90  ∅17 jet 90 Bing 1/17/54
on ’61-64 Allstate Sport 60 =Puch SM60

2. 361.115.0000?/?? ∅17 jet ??  Bing 1/17/??
on ’61-66 Allstate Compact =Puch DS60

3. 368.215.2000/80 ∅17 jet 80 Bing 1/17/??
on ’65-66 Sears Cheyenne =Puch SM60

4. 368.215.2000/??  ∅17 jet ??  Bing 1/17/89
on ’65-67 Sears Sabre =Puch VZ50M

5. 368.415.2000/84  ∅17 jet 84 Bing 1/17/169 
on ’77-79 Puch Magnum X (E50 engine)

 
Left 1. ’61-64 Allstate Sport 60. Right 5. ’77-79 Puch Magnum X

12345 fig 361.1.15.000.0/90  price   1/17/xx carburetor
10000 00 361.1.15.000.0/90 none  Bing 1/17/54   jet 90
01000 00 361.1.15.000.0?/??none  Bing 1/17/??    jet ??
00100 00 368.2.15.200.0/80 none  Bing 1/17/??    jet 80
00010 00 368.2.15.200.0/??  none  Bing 1/17/89   jet ??
00001 00 368.4.15.200.0/84 none  Bing 1/17/169 jet 84
11110 01 050.1520 000000 $4.00 adjuster M5 with nut
00001 02 337.115.1201 000  $2.00 cable boot Dellorto 1476A
11110 03 350.1.15.018.1 0   none  cable pipe
00001 03 328.1.15.120.1 0   $5.00 cable adjuster
11111 04 26779 0000000     $2.50 lock nut M6-0.75
11111 05 362.1.15.019.2 0   $15.0 carb top good-used bare
11111 06 362.1.15.029.1 0   none  carb top gasket
11111 07 362.1.15.031.1 0   $7.00 throttle spring Ø13 x 58
11111 08 362.1.15.014.1 0   $1.00 throttle washer Ø13 x 0.5
11111 09 362.1.15.013.1 0   $2.00 throttle needle clip
11000 10 362.1.15.016.1 0   none  throttle needle 40mm
00111 10 368.1.15.816.1 0   none  throttle needle 40mm 2-mark
11111 11 362.1.15.015.1 0   none  throttle slide #2 Ø18.5
11111 12 362.1.15.001.2 0   none  carb body bare
11111 13 362.1.15.024.1 0   $8.00 float bowl
11110 14 362.1.15.025.2 0   $16.0 float early not-slotted
00001 14 362.2.15.025.2 0   $15.0 float slotted
11110 15 362.1.15.026.1 0   $39.0 float needle metal tip
00001 15 362.2.15.026.1 0   $15.0 float needle rubber tip
11111 16 362.1.15.027.1 0   $4.00 float hinge pin
11111 17 362.1.15.028.1 0   $3.50 float gasket 45 x 41 x 1.5
00000 18 362.1.15.008.1/12 $15.0 needle jet 2.12A
00000 18 362.1.15.008.1/17 $15.0 needle jet 2.17
00001 18 362.1.15.008.1/20 none  needle jet 2.20
00000 18 362.1.15.008.1/22 $8.00 needle jet 2.22
00000 19 362.1.15.009.1/79 $4.00 jet 3.5 generic #72 0.72  mm
00100 19 362.1.15.009.1/80 none  jet 3.5 original #80 0.724 mm
00000 19 362.1.15.009.1/81 none  jet 3.5 generic #73 0.73  mm
00000 19 362.1.15.009.1/82 $4.00 jet 3.5 generic #74 0.74  mm
00001 19 362.1.15.009.1/84 none  jet 3.5 original #84 0.762 mm
10000 19 362.1.15.009.1/90 none  jet 3.5 original #90 0.813 mm
11111 20 362.1.15.038.1 0   $12.0 fuel inlet
11111 21 900.3702 000000 $1.00 seal washer 8 x 12
11111 22 362.1.15.037.2 0   $15.0 fuel strainer
11111 23 362.1.15.063.1 0   none  choke rod 29mm
11111 24 362.1.15.064.1 0   $15.0 choke rod clip
11111 25 362.1.15.065.1 0   $10.0 choke slide
22222 26 050.1535 000000 none  top screw M5 x 10 thin not M4
22222 26 050.1535 000000 $2.00 substitute M5 x 10 thin shank
11111 27 362.1.15.011.1 0   none  idle screw M6 x 0.75 not M5
11111 28 362.1.15.012.1 0   none  idle screw spring
11111 29 126.1513 000000 none  clamp screw M6 x 18 thin
11111 29 126.1513 000000 $3.00 clamp screw M6 x 20 thin
10100 32 368.1.15.033.1 0   none  intake pipe SM60
10100 33 368.1.15.021.1 0   none  intake spacer SM60
20200 34 368.1.15.022.1 0   none  intake gasket SM60
22222 35 24773  0000000     $0.30 intake nut M6
22222 36 900.3456 000000 $0.20 intake washer M6

 

 

Bing Magnum-X cut away

Here is a beautiful cut-away grey-scale illustration, from the Danish website veteranknallertklub.dk. This “Magnum X” type Bing has the all-metal float needle, not rubber-tip push-pull type 15. The float has no slot because it only pushes on the needle. The Puch Magnum-X Bing above has the rubber-tip float needle that has a T top that slides into a slot in the float. On that kind, the float can push and pull on the needle. The all-metal type is on older Bings.

This older Bing has a screw-in idle air jet 33. The Magnum X version has a pressed-in idle air jet, not replaceable. This helps to break up the liquid gasoline into smaller droplets, like a mist. 

 

 

 


Bing 15, 17 and 18

December 11, 2020
 

Austro Daimlerbing crown7.  B I N G    T Y P E  1 8,  1 7,  and  1 5
12 or 14mm     clamp size 23mm

Steyr-Daimler-Puch was so proud of the replacement for the Maxi, that they named it after their hand crafted performance bicycle line, and their 1899-1934 Austrian automobile name, Austro-Daimler. Not much on the 1984-86 Puch A-D was the same as the elderly Maxi. These Bing “Type 18” 12mm carburetors (18/12/206 and 18/12/207) are 1990’s technology. Notice the light throttle spring, possible with modern nylon lined cables and low friction throttle parts.

A Bing “Type 18” 14mm carb (18/14/180) was also on the 1995-96 Manet-Puch Korado.

A Bing “Type 17” is like a Type 18, but the float needle is different.

A Bing “Type 15” is the same as “Type 18”, except it has a 55mm bell in front, for an air box.

# qty  Puch part #   price   description   a is A-D  k is Korado
0    1 000.000.0000   N/A   carb 15/12/100S 

1a  1 345.415.6000   N/A   carb 18/12/107 Puch A-D 2.0hp
1a  1 345.315.6000   N/A   carb 18/12/106 Puch A-D 1.5hp
1    1 000.000.0000   N/A   carb 18/12/118 
1    1 000.000.0000   N/A   carb 18/14/104 Zundapp CS,CX
1k  1 0000.000.01k   N/A   carb 18/14/180 Manet Korado 2.0hp
2k  1
0000.000.02k   N/A   choke cable adjuster M7-0.75
2a  1 321.215.4181 $12.0 choke elbow M7-0.75 Bing Sachs 12
2a1 1 321.115.4211   N/A   rubber boot
2a2 1 000.000.0000 $5.00 cable adjuster M6-0.75
2a3 1 000.000.0000 $2.50 adjuster nut M6-0.75
3
k  1 0000.000.03k    N/A   throttle cable adjuster M7-0.75
3a1 1 321.115.4181 $8.00 throttle cable pipe elbow smooth
3a1 1 321.115.4171 $1.00 pipe elbow nut M7-0.75
3a2 1 000.000.0000 $5.00 cable adjuster M6-0.75
3a3 1 000.000.0000 $2.50 adjuster nut M6-0.75

4    2 000.900.9114 $1.00 top screw M4 x 12 phillips
5k  1 0000.000.05k   N/A   top cover, both threaded M7-0.75
5a  1 321.115.4191   N/A   top cover, choke threaded M7-0.75
6    1 321.115.4291   N/A   top gasket
7    1 321.115.4061   N/A   throttle spring Ø13 x ??
8    1 321.115.4141   N/A   spring cup  has nylon slide tab
9    1 362.115.0131 $2.00 jet needle clip Bing Puch 5
10  1 330.115.0161 $18.0 jet needle 36mm Bing Puch 4a
11  1 ..115.4151/13   N/A   throttle slide Ø16.5 diff. slot angle
12  1 321.115.4641   N/A   choke spring
13  1 321.115.4652   N/A   choke slide
14  1 000.900.9114 $0.70 inlet screw M4-0.7 x 16           
15  1 321.115.4391   N/A   seal washer 4 x 8 x 0.5
16  1 321.115.4381   N/A   inlet banjo (bigger)
17  1 321.115.4371   N/A   fuel filter
18k1 0000.000.18k    N/A   idle mixture screw o-ring
19k1 0000.000.19k    N/A   idle mixture screw
20  1 321.115.4121   N/A   idle speed screw spring         
21
  1 321.115.4111   N/A   idle speed screw
22  1 345.115.5291 $3.00 clamp screw M6 Bing Puch 28 
23  1 321.115.4071   N/A   o-ring for needle jet

24k  0000.000.24k    N/A   pilot jet
25  1 ..115.4081/26   N/A   needle jet 2.26
26  1 ..315/0091/54   none 4.0 main jet #54 (2.0hp)
26  1 ..315.0091/52 $8.00 4.0 main jet #52 (1.5hp)
29  3 D07.985.0212 $0.50 bowl screw M4 x 16 phillips
30  1 000.900.9886   N/A   air filter hose clamp
31  1 321.215.4281 $12.0 float bowl gasket
32  1 362.215.0262 $15.0 float needle Bing Puch 20
33  1 321.115.4252  N/A   float 35 x 26 x 15.5
34  1 321.115.4271 $3.00 hinge pin Ø2.5 x 25
35  1 321.115.4242   N/A   float bowl 3-screw for Puch A-D, Korado
36  1 000.000.0000   N/A   float bowl 3-screw with choke jet

Bing 18/14/180 on Manet-Puch Korado

 

 

 

 

Bing 18-12-118 carb

Bing 18/12/118 carb

Bing 18-12-118 carb

Bing 18/12/118 carb

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bing 17/14/122 on 1979 KTM (Canada model)

 

This Bing type 17 from a 1979 KTM has a float needle with a wire “tail” that hooks onto the float. Later Bing type 18 had a regular float needle like on most 1970’s Bings, with a “flat top” that the float both pushes and pulls. The Bing 17 and 18 floats are the same. The Bing 18 float needle works fine on a Bing 17. Bing 18 is a later version from the mid-1980’s.

 

 

 

 

 


Bing Allstate

December 11, 2020

bing crown Sears Allstate 6.  B I N G    A L L S T A T E     C A R B S

There are 3 Bing 12mm carburetors on Sears Allstate mopeds.

1. 050.1.1500.2/58  ∅12 jet 58, cable choke (1-ended cable)
for M1 engine with intake silencer (air box) Puch MS50

on ’56-58 Mo-Ped 810.94000, 810.94001
on ’63-64 Econo Mo-Ped 810.94011, 810.94018

3. 364.1.15.001.0/62  ∅12 jet 62, cable choke (2-ended cable)
for M3 engine with no intake silencer Puch MS50V

on ’58-61 Mo-Ped 810.94010, 810.94019  
on ’59-61 Mo-Ped 810.94020  
on ’62-63 Mo-Ped 810.94030, 810.94039
on ’64-65 Mo-Ped 810.94040, 810.94049 

6. 360.1.15.500.0/62  ∅12 jet 62, lever choke (no choke cable)
for M6 engine with no intake silencer Puch MS50VDK

on ’64-65 Campus 50 810.94090, 810.94099

 Allstate Bing
136 fig  00.00.000.0/00 price  
100 050.1.1500.2/58 0  none  M1 carb ∅12 jet 58, cable choke

010 364.1.15.001.0/62  none  M3 carb ∅12 jet 62, cable choke
001 360.1.15.500.0/62  none  M6 carb ∅12 jet 62, lever choke

111 01 050.1520 000    $4.00 cable adjuster A1b M5-0.80
111 02 900.2115 000    $0.40 adjuster nut M5-0.80 =050.1517
111 03 050.1519 000    none  top cover outer M18-1.0
111 04 050.1518 000    none  top inner with tube bend M6-0.75
111 05 050.1531 0000  $10.0 throttle spring
111 06 050.1513 0000  $3.00 throttle needle clip
011 6a 350.1.15.014.1  none  throttle disc ∅11 x 0.5
111 07 050.1516 000    none  throttle needle (state 1 or 2 marks)
111 07 050.0516 000    none  throttle needle 31mm 1-mark
111 08 050.1515 000    none  throttle slide (state #)
111 08 050.1515 000    $33.0 throttle slide #16
111 09 050.1555 000    none  choke spring
111 10 050.1552 000    none  choke shoulder screw
011 11 050.1529 000    none  air filter clip
011 12 050.1540.2 00   $22.0 air filter screen
100 14 050.1558 000    none  choke pinch screw

010 15 350.4.15.056.1  none  choke cable nipple
110 16 050.1559 000    none  choke locking plate
110 17 050.1553 000    none  choke slide
100 18 050.1509/58      none  main jet size 58
011 18 050.1509/62      none  main jet size 62
222 19 050.1535 000    $1.30 float top screw M4 x 10 slot
100 20 050.1532 000    none  float top with seat
011 20 364.1.15.032.2  none  float top with seat and tickler
111 21 050.1536 000    none  float chamber gasket
111 22 050.1530 000    none  float needle (no bulb)
111 23 050.1525 000    none  float bulb (no needle)
110 24 050.10.1501 0   none  carburetor body bare
222 25 900.1107 000    $1.00 hex bolt M6 x 25
222 26 24804 000000   $0.20 plain washer M6
111 27 050.1521 0000  $9.00 intake gasket/heat block
111 28 050.1508 000    none  needle jet (state #)  Bing Jawa 14,15
111 29 27071 00000     $1.50 seal washer 10 x 14mm
111 30 050.1523 000    none  screw plug M10-1.0
111 31 050.1511 000    $7.00 idle screw M4-0.7
111 32 24771 00000     $0.40 idle screw nut M4-0.7
100 33 050.1570.0 00   none  intake silencer complete
100 00 050.1574 000    none  spring for air filter
100 00 050.1575 000    $0.80 washer ∅3 ∅6 x 1
200 34 3770 000000     $0.80 washer ∅5 ∅9 x 1
200 35 900.1323 000    $0.80 screw M5 x 40 slot
100 36 050.1576 000    none  seal ring ∅52 ∅45 x 2
100 37 050.1.1577 00   none  junction sleeve
100 38 050.1540.2 00   $22.0 air filter screen

 

 
 
 
Allstate Bing Diagram

Here is a beautiful cut-away illustration from the Danish website veteranknallertklub.dk. The venturi is 12mm diameter. The curved pipe is about 13mm. The jet and jet holder are a single piece, like the Bing “early Sachs”. The choke cable and plate are the same as Bing “Solo”, with a “carb” end on the choke cable. The screw-on top cap is M18x1.0 thread and M6x0.75 cable elbow/stop, Ø14.5 slide with slot facing the intake (like other early Bings), and jet needle, are interchangeable with Bing “Solo” and Bing “Jawa or early Sachs”.

From the left drawing, sliced vertically front to back, you can see the little pin that locates the throttle slide, near where the choke cable comes in at. Like the other early Bings “Solo” and “Jawa”, the slot in the throttle slide faces the intake, so the throttle slides interchange (but not with “1970’s Sachs” and “Kreidler”). 

  
 

Puch used this Bing “Allstate” 12mm carburetor on the MS50 (Moped Stahlblech – steel sheet) series from the 1950’s to the 1970’s. In 1969 Puch indroduced the Maxi moped, with an all new carburetor design. That carburetor, called Bing “Puch” or “round Bing” was in use from 1969 to 1986. It is way more familiar to Americans because of the moped buying frenzy in the late 1970’s. In the early 1980’s Puch developed their advanced technology future moped. But sales were down, and something like internal fraud contributed to Puch going out of business after over a century. If they had kept going, we would have an abundance of parts for the Bing “Austro Daimler” carburetor.

 

Bing Jawa

December 11, 2020

bing crown5.  B I N G   J A W A   C A R B S

 Made for 1950’s – 60’s Sachs 502/2, 502/3 

 #  #  price    Jawa#       description                  
  1 23  N/A    09-140  air filter 
  2   4 $28.0 21-050  screw cap M18x1 Bing Solo 25
  3 00  N/A    35-922  float w/needle  bigger than Encarwi
     24  N/A    35-022  float only 
     26  N/A    47-120  float needle only
  4   2 $2.50 45-502  adj nut M6x0.75
  5   9 $22.0 46-042  jet needle 33mm 2-mark
     10none  46-031  jet needle 31mm
  6   1 $5.00 50-042  adjuster M6x0.75
  7   8 $3.00 57-200  needle clip Bing Sachs 6
  8   6 $10.0 60-300  throttle spring Bing Sachs 8 
 8a  7 $3.00 57-023  plate/washer Bing Sachs 7
  9 20  N/A    61-469  air box clamp/clip
10 11  N/A    22-150  slide Ø14.5 “24” slot faces intake 
10 12  N/A    22-151  slide Ø14.5 “32” slot faces intake
10 12 $28.0 22-sub  slide Ø14.5 “16” Bing Solo 20
11 03  N/A    32-032-101 float lid w/seat
11a 5  N/A    65-720  seal ring
12 13  N/A    44-931-101/62  main jet 
12 13  N/A    44-931-101/64  main jet
12 13  N/A    44-931-101/66  main jet
14 14  N/A    45-111  needle jet 
15 15  N/A    45-112  needle jet
16 16 $2.00 65-143  seal washer 10 x 14
17 17  none  50-148  plug M10x1 
19 19 $35.0 26-625  filter cap metal, not replica
21 21  N/A    65-775  seal 
22 22  N/A    65-750  seal
     25  N/A    40-420  clamp screws (2)  on some versions
27 27 $1.50 49-020  cottor pin Bing Puch 31
28 28  N/A    40-430  locking screw
29 29  N/A    60-020  primer spring
31 31  N/A    48-925  primer/tickler
33 33  N/A    40-413  float screws (2)
34 34 $3.00 idle screw M5x0.8 Bing Puch 16
35 35 $3.00 idle screw spring   Bing Puch 17

 

Bing Jawa 1/12/315

Bing 1/12/315

 

 

 

 

 

Bing Jawa 1/12/325

Bing 1/12/325

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bing 1/12/169

Bing Jawa 1-12-239 replica

Bing 1/12/239 replica

Originally all metal, this carburetor and intake silencer was made for the early Sachs 502 vertical cylinder moped engine, 1,2, or 3 speed, kick start or pedals, from the 1950’s and 1960’s. The name Bing “Jawa” should be called Bing “Sachs 502”, since it fits those engines like a glove. Then Bing “Sachs” here should be Bing “Sachs 504/505 A”, to be more correct, globally.

There is no choke slide that blocks the air like on other Bings. Instead the primer holds the float down until gasoline overflows into the venturi. That provides the rich mixture for cold starting.

Sachs Saxonette 1950's -60's moped engine with early Bing carburetor

1960’s Sachs 502/2
Bing carb made for it

1965 Hercules moped with Sachs 2-speed grip-shift engine

1965 Hercules moped
Sachs 502/2 (2-speed)

50’s Sachs 502/3 (3-spd)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jawa used this classic German carburetor from 1979 to 1983, only after it was obsolete, and only on their highest power 1.7kW models. Those were the 40km/h (25mph) Supreme 2, type 207-394 (Babetta 207-504 in Europe), and the 50km/h (30mph) Supreme 3, type 207-392 (X 30 207-385 in Europe). All other Jawa Babetta models were 1.1kW or less, 40km/h (25mph) or less, with a smaller 9mm Jikov 2909 carburetors.

1982 Jawa Supreme 2

1982 Jawa Supreme 2
type 207-394 (Canada)

1979 Jawa X30 (Euro model)

1979 Jawa X30
type 207-385 (for Euro)

 

Apparently most, if not all, of the USA models of “Supreme 2” and “Supreme 3” have the 9mm Jikov carburetors, not the 12mm Bing. Of about 20 Jawa Supreme 2 and 3, found on the internet, all had 9mm Jikov carbs. Only the two at left had 12mm Bings. Yet the Bing “Jawa” carb is in the later 207-300 series American Jawa Parts Catalog.

 

 

 


Bing Solo

December 11, 2020

bing crown solo  4.  B I N G   S O L O
8 or 10 mm, clamp size 16 mm

Solo Bing  
Left is Columbia parts list 1 to 29. Right is Odyssey parts list 1 to 31.

fig  price  Odyssey#  description
00  N/A    23 00 341 carburetor Bing 1/10/112      
01  N/A    00 04 302 vinyl tubing 14 x 2 x 178
02  N/A    20 74 597 intake silencer
03 $22.0 25 00 326 air filter insert
04  N/A    00 66 132 intake silencer clamp
05 $15.0 05 10 658 float slotted type
06 $15.0 05 10 657 float needle for slotted
07 $8.00 05 10 115 float bowl
08 $3.50 05 10 218 bowl gasket
09 $10.0 05 10 132 main jet 58  
10 $15.0 05 10 460 needle jet 2.12
11 $12.0 05 10 100 fuel line nipple M8 x 0.75
00 $20.0 00 00 000 inlet swivel type assy
12 $1.00 05 10 210 seal washer 8
13 $3.00 05 10 461 idle screw M5-0.8
14 $3.00 05 10 462 screw spring
15 none  05 10 463 choke plate
16 none  05 10 464 stud
17 none  05 10 465 safety washer
18 none  05 10 466 torsion spring
19 none  05 10 467 pivot screw
20 $33.0 05 10 468 throttle slide Ø14.5 “16” see photo above
21 none  05 10 469 jet needle 31mm 1-mark
22 $3.00 05 10 470 needle holder
23 $3.00 05 10 471 washer 
24 $10.0 05 10 472 slide spring Ø11 x 36
25 $28.0 05 10 473 top cover M18 x 1.0, M6 x 0.75
26 $5.00 05 10 185 cable adjuster M6 x 0.75
27 $2.50 05 10 127 adjuster nut M6 x 0.75
00 $1.00 00 18 181 #28 screw M6 x 12 hex?
00   none 20 74 618 #29 carburetor cover
28 $4.00 05 10 189 #30 float hinge pin
29 $6.00 05 10 456 #31 clamp screw M5 x 15

Bing 1/10/112
Bing 1/10/112 for Solo/Colombia 40kmh (26mph)

 

Bing 1-8-102 w/air box, for Solo 25kmh (16mph)
Bing 1-8-102 with air box, for Solo 25kmh (16mph)

 

Solo Odyssey motor

Bing 1/10/112 carb on Solo 255 motor

 

This carburetor is for low powered mopeds (mofas), case-reed-valve engines, that position the carburetor way down almost below the engine. The choke is remote, by cable. There is no primer (because you could not reach it if there was). Otherwise it is very close to the Kreidler Bing, with the same size Ø16 mount, Ø14.5 slide (but a different slot position), same float, float needle, float bowl, M5 idle screw, needle, needle jet, and M3.5 main jet (but different numbers).    

 

 


Bing Kreidler

December 11, 2020

 


Kreidler redbing crown3.  B I N G   K R E I D L E R   C A R B S
    10 or 12mm     clamp size 16mm

Kreidler Flory carb 1-10-126, identical to 1/12/260

Kreidler Flory carb 1-10-126, identical to 1/12/260

 

Late 1970’s Kreidler Flory MP-9 and MP-19 mopeds are US models, 30mph (2.0hp), with Bing 1/12/260 (12mm) carbs. Other Flory models in Europe are 25kmh (17mph) with Bing 1/10/126 (10mm) carbs. The “bell” outer diameter is 54mm, same as the Solo Bing below.

 

# qty Kreidler#  price  description                                             
1a 1 215.19.99a  N/A   carburetor 1/12/260 has metal-tip needle, no-slot float
1b 1 215.19.99b  N/A   carburetor 1/12/268 has rubber-tip needle, slotted float
2a 1  07.15.08   $6.00 clamp screw M5 x 15  thin shank (clamp size 16)
3a 1  07.16.06    N/A    float no slot   substitute slotted float & rubber needle
3b 1  07.16.06b $15.0 float with slot for rubber tip needle
4a 1  07.15.44   $39.0 float needle metal for no slot float
4b 1  07.15.44b $15.0 float needle rubber for slotted float
5
   1  607.15.1  $4.00 hinge pin (Bing Puch 19)
6   1  07.15.05  $8.00 float bowl (Bing Puch 21)
7   1  07.15.32  $3.50 ring seal (Bing Puch 22)
8   1  07.16.20  $15.0 needle jet 2.17  (Bing Puch 2b)
9   1  07.15.41   none  3.5mm main jet #68
10 1  07.15.12  $18.0 needle 2-mark 36mm (Bing Puch 4a)
11 1  07.15.15  $12.0 fuel inlet vertical type M8x0.75   
11 1  07.15.15s $20.0 fuel inlet swivel type Puch 24+25+26
12 1  07.15.21  $15.0 fuel strainer (Bing Puch 27)
13 2  07.15.25  $1.00 fuel inlet seal washer M8 
14 1  07.15.14  $3.00 idle screw M5-0.8 (Bing Puch 16)
15 1  07.15.22  $3.00 idle screw spring  (Bing Puch 17)
16 1  07.15.99  $35.0 slide Ø14.5 #10  says “10  B”
17 1  07.15.18  $3.00 clip for needle  (Bing-Sachs 6)
18 1  07.15.55  $3.00 disk washer  (Bing-Sachs 7)
19 1  07.15.23   N/A    slide spring Ø11 x 42  
20 1  07.16.25   N/A    carb top cover    smaller than Puch
21 2  07.16.23  $1.50 carb top screw (Bing Puch 10)
22 1  07.16.12   N/A    choke rod 35mm (use 38mm Bing-Puch 33)
22 1  07.16.12s $4.00 choke rod substitute 38mm   
23 1  07.16.13   N/A    push button  goes on top of choke rod, not needed
24 1  07.15.27   N/A    top gasket   smaller than Puch
25 1  07.15.20  $20.0 choke slide 14 wide,  can grind down a Puch one

 

 

Bing 85 Sachs

December 11, 2020

bing crown2.  B I N G   S A C H S   C A R B S
   10 or 12mm     clamp size 20mm

 
Sachs engines for US models:
internal pedals   external pedals
Sachs 505/1B    Sachs 504/1B    1-spd auto 25km/h (18mph)
Sachs 505/1A    Sachs 504/1A    1-spd auto 40km/h (26mph)
Sachs 505/1D    Sachs 504/1D    1-spd auto 45km/h (29mph)
Sachs 505/1D    Sachs 508/2D    2-spd auto 45km/h (29mph)
 
Carburetor Jet Slide N.jet Needle Float Price    Applications
85/10/101   50  2B 2.17 33mm no slot  N/A ’76-79 504,505/1B
85/10/101A 50  2B 2.17 33mm slotted  N/A ’79-85 504,505/1B 
85/12/101   52  2B 2.17 36mm no slot  N/A ’76-79 504,505/1A
85/12/101A 52  2B 2.17 36mm slotted  N/A ’79-85 504,505/1A
85/12/104A 58   2  none none  slotted  N/A ’78-’83 504,505/1D
85/12/118   55   2  none none  slotted  N/A ’80-’85 504,505/1D

Note that the later 104A and 118 carbs have no jet needle.

#   Sachs part #   price    description                   
  0961.151.050 $8.00 4mm jet #50 for 85/10/101 & 101A
  0961.151.052 $8.00 4mm jet #52 for 85/12/101 & 101A
  0961.151.055   none 4mm jet #55 for 85/12/104A
  0961.151.058 $8.00 4mm jet #58 for 85/12/118

2   0261.142.002 $12.0 needle jet 2.17 (not for 104A or 118)
2a 0247.143.000 $8.00 ring Ø3.2 Ø2.1 x 2.5 (not for 104A or 118)
3   0261.145.000 $18.0 fuel filter, good-used only
4   0261.146.000 $15.0 slide #2B Ø14.5 (not for 104A or 118)
4   0261.148.000  N/A    slide #2   Ø14.5 only for 104A & 118
5   0261.006.003 $22.0 needle 33mm for 85/10/101 or 101A
5   0261.006.004 $18.0 needle 36mm for 85/12/101 or 101A
6   0261.018.000 $3.00 clip for needle (not for 104A or 118)
7   0244.109.000 $3.00 washer/plate (not for 104A or 118)
8   0239.140.000 $10.0 spring Ø11 x 36mm 
9   0250.162.000 $3.00 gasket carb top        
10  0261.144.000 $15.0 carb top w/screws 
11  0000.111.000 $1.50 screw carb top M4 Bing Puch 10
12  0000.111.000 $12.0 elbow carb M7 long thicker than Puch
12a  000.111.000 $15.0 elbow carb M7 short thicker than Puch
13  0000.111.000 $1.00 locknut M7 x 0.75   
14  0000.111.000 $2.50 locknut M6 x 0.75
15  0000.111.000 $5.00 adjuster M6 x 0.75 
15  0000.111.000 -N/A– (not trapped within the 2-ended cable)
12  0261.143.000 $15.0 12 + 13 + 14 + 15  long elbow assy
12a  000.111.000 $18.0 12a+13 + 14 + 15  short elbow assy
19  3640.022.002 $3.00 clamp bolt M5 x 20 thin shank
20  0962.065.000 $3.00 idle screw M5x0.8 Bing Puch 16
21  0962.090.000 $3.00 spring for idle screw Bing Puch 17
22  0000.111.00$39.0 float needle metal for no-slot float
22a2661.027.000 $15.0 float needle rubber for slotted float
23  0000.111.000 $30.0 float only, good-used, no slot for metal tip needle
23  0281.125.000 $60.0 22 + 23 + 24  no-slot float+needle
23a 000.111.000  45-30 float only, slotted for rubber tip needle
23a0281.125.001 65-45 22a + 23a + 24 slotted float+needle
24  0000.111.000 $7.00 hinge pin float  bigger than Puch
25  0261.141.000 $10.0 float bowl
26  0240.213.001 $0.70 M4 x 12 slot head
27  0250.161.000 $13.0 gasket float orig. cork 1.5mm
27  0250.161.000 $8.00 gasket float thick Bing 1.5mm
27  0250.161.000 $4.00 gasket float thin 0.8mm leaks more
28  0261.125.000 $10.0 hose fitting/banjo Bing Puch 24
29  0242.110.000 $7.00 cap nut M8 x 0.75  for early versions
30  0962.013.000 $1.00 seal ring M8 (2) Bing Puch 26
31  0000.111.000 $3.00 primer 
32  0000.111.000 $7.00 spring for primer
33  0000.111.000 $1.50 cotter pin for spring
      0281.109.000 $10.0 31 + 32 + 33 


Upper is #12 cable pipe long
Lower is #12a cable pipe short

 


Left, non-slotted floats and metal tipped needle.
Right, slotted float and rubber tipped needle.

 


Some Sachs intake pipes have a cut-out for an o-ring.
It is the same as the air box o-ring #41, Ø17 x 1.5

 

Sachs Bing carb and air filter assemblySachs air box front

40  0000.111.000  N/A    air box complete Ø16  for Ø12 carbs
40a0000.111.000  N/A    air box complete Ø13 for Ø10 carbs
41  0250.160.101 $1.50 rubber o-ring 17 x 1.5 
42  0225.007.000 $9-$14 air box front half      
43  0239.138.000 $5.00 choke slide spring     
44  0225.009.000 $20.0 choke plate/slide      
45  0224.160.000 $3.00 mount plate metal 
46  0240.211.002 $0.50 M5 x 10 slot screws  takes two
46  0282.114.000 $29.0 41+42+43+44+45  front half assy
47  0225.008.005  N/A    air box rear  Ø16  grey for Ø12 carbs
47a0225.008.000 $23.0 air box rear  Ø13.5 black for Ø10 carbs
48  0225.010.100 $15.0 air filter, new
48  0225.010.100 $17.0 air filter, new with wider hole
49  0239.139.000   $8.0 wire clip air box

Air filter: The air filter 48 has a rubber spacer around it. This rubber becomes soft, making the clip looser. Then a bump or jolt causes the air box back half 47 to detach and soon fall off. That is why most are missing 47, 48, 49.

Air filter hole: The air filter has a sound baffle hole 14mm. For 25-30 mph models with 12 mm carbs the 14 mm hole must be widened to about 22mm, especially with the black air box with 13.5 mm inlet hole. 

Sachs Choke Cable Trickery: Above, a Sachs Bing carburetor and air filter assembly. First the grey steel plate goes inside the white plastic box front half. Then the two M5x12 screws bolt it to the carburetor. Then the choke cable is fed through the box half, The choke cable spring is slid over the end of the choke cable. Then the white plastic choke plate, at far lower left,  is attached to the small barrel end of the choke cable. This is done with the choke cable detached from the lever at the handlebar. When it’s all hooked up, squeezing the choke trigger moves the choke plate forward, blocking off the air. Releasing the choke trigger causes the spring to pull the choke plate back away, allowing full air in for normal running.

Bing Sachs

85/10/101(or A)   85/12/101(or A)   85/12/104 A
for 504-505 1B   for 504-505 1A   for 504-505 1D

Bing Sachs

85/10/101 (or A)   85/12/101 (or A)   85/12/104 A
“A” means slotted float and rubber tip needle.
No “A” means no-slot float and metal tip needle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
101 types channel the idle mixture under the slide. A deeper slide channel makes a richer idle mixture.
      Fill in the idle channel with epoxy to make the idle mixture leaner. Grind it deeper to idle richer.
  
104 types have an idle tunnel with a separate fuel hole. A bigger idle hole makes a richer idle mixture.
      But it is not removable and not easily serviced.
 
Remember that once the throttle slide is raised up (opened), the idle channel and (to a lesser degree) the jet needle have no more effect. At full throttle only the main jet matters, pretty much. 
 
 

Left 4 have idle channels and jet needle holes.
Right has no idle channel and no needle hole.
The twin holes joined together are for the cable.

Bing Sachs early and late

85/12/101 A              85/12/104 A
Left, the 101A needle jet unscrews.
Rt, 104A is molded-in under the jet.
Note the new and used float colors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Slot Position angle is expressed as the time on a clock. All four slides above have the intake side at 12 o’clock and the engine side at 6 o’clock. Then from the bottom view, “Sachs A and B” is at 3 o’clock, “early Bing” is at 12 o’clock, “Solo” is at 12 o’clock, “Kreidler” is at 10 o’clock, and “Sachs C and D” is at 3 o’clock. Slides that have the same diameter and slot position can interchange, in most cases.

 


Bing Puch

December 11, 2020

 


Puch small1.  B I N G   P U C H   C A R B S
12, 14, or 15mm     clamp size 20mm


 #   part number   price    description        notes

1a ..115.0091/48 $15.0 3.5mm jet #48  see Carb Specs Table 
1b
 ..115.0091/50   none 3.5mm jet #50  see Carb Specs Table 
1c
 ..115.0091/52 $5.00 3.5mm jet #52  see Carb Specs Table 
1d
 ..115.0091/56 $11.0 3.5mm jet #56  see Carb Specs Table 
1e
 ..115.0091/58 $10.0 3.5mm jet #58  see Carb Specs Table 
1f 
 ..115.0091/64 $6.00 3.5mm jet #64  see Carb Specs Table 
1g
 ..115.0091/68  none  3.5mm jet #68  see Carb Specs Table 
2   ..115.0081/22 $8.00 needle jet 2.22  see Carb Specs Table 
2a ..115.0081/12 $15.0 needle jet 2.12A see Carb Specs Table 
2b ..115.0081/17 $15.0 needle jet 2.17   see Carb Specs Table
3   ..115.0151/24 $12.0 slide Ø16.5 #24 see Carb Specs Table
3a ..115.0151/51 $15.0 slide Ø16.5 #51 see Carb Specs Table
3b ..115.0151/11  N/A    slide Ø16.5 #11 see Carb Specs Table
4    364.415.5161 $18.0  jet needle 1-mark, 36mm, for 1/14/xxx 
4a  330.115.0161 $18.0  jet needle 2-mark, 36mm, for 1/12/xxx
5    362.115.0131 $2.00  clip for needle    
6    362.115.0141 $1.00 disc (washer), this is optional
7    362.215.0131 $7.00 spring throttle Ø13 x 58   
8    349.115.0291 $3.00 gasket for top      
9    349.115.0191 $7.00 carb top bare                 
9 + 13 + 33 xxxx $15.0 top assy  long choke rod for 1/14/xxx
9 + 13 + 33a xxx $15.0 top assy short choke rod for 1/12/xxx
10   050.1535 xxx $1.50 screw M4 thin shank (2) stays with top
11 + 12 xxxxxxxx $4.00 adjuster w/nut M5-0.80 (in 2-end cable)
13   362.115.0641 $2.00 clip for choke rod, clicks when fully up
14a 349.115.0181 $14.0 elbow long  M6-0.75, M5 for Maxi-types
14b 321.115.0181 $18.0 elbow short M6-0.75, M5 Magnum-types
15   26779 xxxxxx $2.50 lock nut thin M6 – 0.75
16   349.115.0111 $3.00 idle speed screw M5-0.8
17   349.115.0121 $3.00 spring idle Ø5,Ø7 x 9 
18   362.215.0252 $15.0 float slotted, wt. 5.6g
18a early float xx  $16.0 float not slotted, Sears+Kreidler
19   362.115.0271 $4.00 hinge pin float    
20   362.215.0262 $15.0 rubber tip for slotted float
20a early needle   $39.0 metal tip for non-slotted float
21   362.115.0241 $8.00 float bowl used metal    
22   362.115.0281 $3.50 gasket float bowl 45 x 41 x 1.5mm
24   320.115.0381 $10.0 banjo fuel inlet steel     
25   320.115.0391 $7.00 banjo bolt M8 x 0.75     
26   900.3702 xxx $1.00 seal washer M8 x 12 (2)
00  Puch24.25.26 $20.0 inlet assy, swivel type, 24,25,26
27   362.115.0372 $15.0 fuel filter thimble, clean and reuse
28   349.115.0131 $3.00 clamp bolt M6x20 thin shank
29   328.115.0362 $3.00 primer for cold starting, pushes float down
30   364.115.0331 $7.00 spring for primer         
31   364.115.0341 $1.50 cottor pin for primer, original is crimped
32   349.115.0651 $9.00 slide choke       
33   349.215.0631 $4.00 rod choke short 38mm for 1/12/xxx
33a 349.115.0631 $3.00 rod choke long 40mm  for 1/14/xxx
34   349.115.0471 $7.00 choke rod extension     for Maxi-types

Puch Bing photos

Maxi-type frames are sheet metal: Puch Maxi, Sport, Newport, GN, …
Magnums are tube frames: Puch Cobra, Sears Free Spirit, JC Penney…

35   349.115.0070 $22.0 intake silencer for Maxi-type models
36   349.115.0731 $7.00 inlet tube damper pre-84 Maxi 1.5&2hp
37   900.1320 xxx $0.80 slot screw M6x20
37a 900.226 xxxx $0.30 nut M6
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40   321.115.2700 $55.0 silencer 2.0hp, no #44’s Magnum-types
40a 321.215.2700 $55.0 silencer 1.5, 1hp w/44’s Magnum-types
41   900.9886 xxx $2.00 hose clamp 1 inch         
42   321.115.2711 $15.0 front silencer half        
43   050.1540.2 x  $22.0 air filter metal mesh      
44   349.115.0741 $3.00 restrictor 1.5 & 1.0hp   
45   321.115.0741 $5.00 sound damper pipe       
46   321.115.0741 $8.00 mount clamp               
47   26565            $0.80 hex bolt M5 x 16
48   321.315.0701 $15.0 rear silencer              

Bing Puch choke rods

Bing “Puch” choke rods
left long, right short

Bing "Puch" carb elbows

Bing “Puch” carb elbows
left long, right short

Bing 16.5mm throttle slides

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Puch smallbing crown                     P U C H   C A R B   S P E C S   T A B L E

Normally, carburetors appear first in the parts list. But Puch has over 30 versions. So they are here instead. Use this table to find your Puch carburetor’s original jet size and other settings, just by knowing the ID Number. Or use the applications and other clues to find what ID Number and settings that it originally had, if the original carb ID Number is not known or not trusted.  

 


Bing 1/12/xxx Carburetors (12 mm)

00 intake   0000   mm  0000  slide  needle jet 
fins  .0000.0000  mm   00 jet 0  needle 000 air box


000.000.0000  1/12/279 modern remake

349.215.4000  1/12/292 54  24  2  2.22   maxi
7 ∅12 circ  ’75-76 Maxi-N, Maxi-S, Nostalgic 1.0 hp
7 ∅12 circ  ’76-77 Rigid, Maxi, Maxi Sport, Newport 1.0 hp
7 ∅12 circ  ’78 Maxi Luxe, Sport, Newport 1.0 hp

349.315.4000  1/12/293 60  24  2  2.22   maxi
7 ∅12 circ  ’76-77 Rigid, Maxi, Maxi Sport, Newport 1.5 hp
7 ∅12 circ  ’78-79 GN, ’78 Maxi, ’79 Maxi to 7705250 1.5 hp

7 ∅12 circ  ’78 Maxi Luxe, Sport, Newport 1.0 hp

349.415.4000  1/12/294 54  24  2  2.22   maxi
7 ∅12 circ  ’76-77 Rigid, Maxi, Maxi Sport, Newport 1.0 hp

7 ∅12 circ  ’78-79 Maxi Luxe, Sport, Newport L 1.0 hp

7 ∅12 circ  ’80-85 Maxi, Maxi Luxe 1.0 hp

349.715.7000 1/12/297A50  51  2  2.12A mag rest.
9 ∅12 tall  ’80-83 Magnum MkII, II, LTD 1.0 hp

000.000.0000  1/12/299 unknown

349.815.4000  1/12/300 48  11  2  2.12A maxi
7 ∅12 tall  ’78-79 Sport MkII, ’79 Maxi II 1.0 hp

7 ∅12 tall  ’80-85 Sport MkII, Newport II 1.0 hp

000.000.0000  1/12/302 50  ??   2  2.22   mag rest.
7 ∅12 circ  ’78-79 JC Penney Swinger 1.0 hp

349.115.7000  1/12/304 66  24  2  2.22   maxi
8 ∅12 circ  ’78 Maxi Luxe, Sport, Newport 1.5 hp

349.215.7000  1/12/307 58  11  2  2.12A maxi
8 ∅12 tall  ’78 Sport MkII 1.0 hp

349.215.7000  1/12/307 58  11  2  2.12A maxi
7 ∅12 circ  ’80-84 Maxi from 7705251 1.5 hp

7 ∅12 circ  ’85 Maxi Sport LS from 2421597 1.5-2.0 hp

7 ∅12 circ  ’80-85 Maxi Luxe 1.0 hp

8 ∅12 circ  ’85 Maxi 1.5-2.0 hp

349.615.7000  1/12/309 48  51  2  2.12A maxi
8 ∅12 circ  ’80-85 Maxi Luxe 1.5 hp

349.615.7000  1/12/309 48  51  2  2.12A mag rest.
9 ∅12 tall  ’80-83 Magnum MkII, II, LTD 1.5 hp

349.615.7000  1/12/310 48  51  2  2.12A maxi
8 ∅12 circ  ’79 Maxi Luxe, Sport, Newport L 1.5 hp

349.315.8000  1/12/314 56  24  2  2.22   maxi
8 ∅14 tall  ’79 Sport MkII, Maxi II 2.0 hp

8 ∅14 tall  ’80-85 Sport MkII, Newport II 2.0 hp

8 ∅14 tall  ’85-86 Maxi Sport LS 2 1.5-2.0 hp

349.415.8000  1/12/316 64  11  2  2.12A magnum
9 ∅14 circ  ’78-79 Magnum XK 2.0 hp

349.515.8000  1/12/317 50  11  2  2.12A mag rest.
9 ∅12 circ  ’78-79 Magnum XK 1.5 hp

349.615.8000  1/12/318 50  11  2  2.12A mag rest.
9 ∅12 circ  ’78-79 Magnum XK 1.0 hp

9 ∅12 tall  ’78-79 Magnum MkII 1.0 hp

349.815.7000  1/12/321 50  51  2  2.12A mag rest.
8 ∅12 tall  ’79 Sport MkII, Maxi II 1.5 hp

7 ∅12 ????  ’78-79 JC Penney Pinto, Swinger 1.5 hp

8 ∅12 tall  ’80-85 Sport MkII, Newport II 1.5 hp

349.715.8000  1/12/322 60  51  2  2.12A magnum
9 ∅14 tall  ’78-79 Magnum MkII 2.0 hp

9 ∅14 tall  ’80-83 Magnum MkII, II, LTD 2.0 hp

349.815.8000  1/12/323 48  11  2  2.12A mag rest.
9 ∅12 tall  ’78-79 Magnum MkII 1.5 hp

000.000.0000  1/12/339 52
10 ∅12 ??  ’83-84 Dart 1.5 hp

000.000.0000  1/12/340 54
10 ∅12 ??  ’83-84 Dart 2.0 hp

 


Bing 18/12/xxx Carburetors (12 mm)
00 intake   0000   mm  0000  slide  needle jet 
fins  .0000.0000  mm   00 jet 0  needle 000 air box


345.315.6000 18/12/10652  13  2  2.26   maxi+
10 ∅12 3b ’84-85 Maxi Plus 1 and 2 1.5 hp

345.415.6000 18/12/10754  13  2  2.26   maxi+
10 ∅12 3b ’84-85 Maxi Plus 1 2.0 hp

 


Bing 1/14/xxx Carburetors (14 mm)
00 intake   0000   mm  0000  slide  needle jet 
fins  .0000.0000  mm   00 jet 0  needle 000 air box


349.415.5000  1/14/152 64  24  2  2.20   maxi
7  ∅14 sqr.  ’75-76 Maxi-N, Maxi-S, Nostalgic 1.5-2.0 hp

000.000.0000  1/14/157 00  00  0  0.00   magnum
7 ∅14 sqr.  ’78-79 JC Penney Swinger 2.0 hp

349.815.5000  1/14/160 64  24  1  2.22   maxi
7 ∅14 sqr.  ’76-77 Rigid, Maxi, Maxi Sport, Newport 2.0 hp

7 ∅14 sqr.  ’78-79 GN, ’78-79 Maxi to 7705425 2.0 hp

000.000.0000  1/14/163 68  11  2  2.12A magnum
7 ∅14 sqr.  ’78 Sears Free Spirit 2.0 hp

349.115.6000  1/14/???  68  51  2  2.12A magnum
7 ∅14 sqr.  ’80-82 Series B 2.0 hp

000.000.0000  1/14/164 52  11  2  2.12A mag rest.
7 ∅6.5 sqr  ’78 Sears Free Spirit 1.0 hp

7 ∅8.5 sqr  ’78 Sears Free Spirit 1.5 hp

349.915.5000  1/14/???  52  51  2  2.12A mag rest.
7 ∅8.5 sqr  ’80-82 Series B 1.5 hp

000.000.0000  1/14/166 62  51  2  2.12A magnum
7 ∅14 sqr.  ‘80-81 Murray 2.0 hp

349.815.6000  1/14/185 64  24  1  2.22   maxi late
7 ∅14 circ  ’79-83 Maxi from 7705426 2.0 hp

7 ∅14 circ  ’84-85 Maxi Sport LS to 2421596 2.0 hp

349.515.5500  1/14/196 68  24  2  2.17   magnum
8 ∅14 circ  ’85-86 Cobra 1.5-2.0 hp

8 ∅14 tall  ’85-86 Cobra 2 2.0 hp

349.315.6500  1/14/203 70  24  2  2.17   magnum
8 ∅14 tall  ’85-86 Cobra 2 1.5 hp

 


Bing 1/15/xxx Carburetors (15 mm)
00 intake   0000   mm  0000  slide  needle jet 
fins  .0000.0000  mm   00 jet 0  needle 000 air box


000.000.0000  1/15/46   82  24  1  2.17   hi-flow or none
0  000 000 modern replacement

 

Above is a list of 35 different Bing Puch carburetors. On the 33 Bing 1/xx/xxx carbs there are just 3 carb bodies,  12, 14 and 15 mm. But they can have different jets, needle jets, throttle slides, and throttle needles (different from float needle!).  Use the chart above to configure (change the settings) a carburetor for a particular model, as long as it’s original and stock. For example, you have a 1977 Puch Maxi with no carburetor. You have a 1980 Murray carburetor that looks identical. From the chart they are both 14mm venturi, but the jet needs to be size 64 not 62, the slide #24 not 51, the needle 1 notch not 2, and the needle jet size 2.22 not 2.12A. Change those four things, and change the stamped on number from 1/14/166 to 1/14/160, and you will have the original specification carburetor. Or if you have a scrambled pile of carburetors and loose pieces, you can make any original configuration carburetor from the chart.

There are always some (sometimes lots of) little things that make life difficult. Old engines with compression and/or air leaks will need bigger than original jets. Old engines with clogged exhausts will need smaller than original jets. Engines with the original air box removed or modified will need bigger jets. Engines with performance exhausts will need bigger jets. Engines with big bore cylinder kits will need much bigger jets. This chart says what jet your bike had when it was brand new, not necessarily what jet is correct for it in it’s current state.

 

 

 


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Welcome. Included here are Bing carburetors used on mopeds, originally sold in the US from 1960 to 1990. This is only a small segment of Bing. There are also Bing carburetors on mopeds not originally sold in the US, or from earlier or later times, and on most German motorcycles and power equipment.

These carburetor categories are nick-named after the most popular US model or make. The Sears Allstate moped had the same carburetor and engine as 1950’s and 60’s Puch MS50 series and Tomos Colibri mopeds. The Puch Magnum X small motorcycle carburetor was the same as on many other 50cc motorcycles, especially German.    

Bing moped carburetors, 10, 12, and 14mm, came on German (Sachs, Kreidler, Solo), Austrian (Puch, Kromag), and Slovakian (Jawa-Babetta, Manet-Puch) mopeds (US models). Besides the three venturi sizes, there are also different configurations and clamp mount sizes. Puch, Solo, and Kreidler Bings have round float bowls that screw on, and 3.5mm jets. Sachs Bings are square and “smashed up against a wall”, too close for any other carburetor to substitute, and have 4.0mm jets. Puch Bings have a 20mm ID clamp mount, and 20mm OD spigot mount for the air filter. Sachs Bings also have a 20mm clamp mount, and a two-bolt flange mount for the air filter and external choke. Solo and Kreidler Bings have a smaller 16mm clamp mount, and a large 53mm “bell” for the air filter to clamp to. Puch A-D Bings have a 23mm clamp mount.  

The model number, stamped on, tells the size and settings. If it’s a Puch carb, use the Puch Carb Specs Table below to find what jet number and other parts your carburetor originally came with. Then use the Bing Jet list or graph to find what jet drill should pass through. Then use that drill to clean the old jet and restore it to normal size.

Carb types: Carburetors for each type 1 to 8 look and fit the same and share most of the same parts.

ID Numbers: These are just the known Bing ID numbers, mostly from USA-model mopeds. There are many more not listed here. ID numbers from different types can be similar, a source of confusion.

Nick Names: The names are from the most common 1970’s US-model moped that carburetor type is used on. Some of the nick names might be inappropriate, or downright goofy, for other places and times. Nick names are necessary because many ID numbers do not tell the type. For example, a 1/12/315 is a “Bing 1 Jawa” type, but a 1/12/314 is a “Bing 1 Puch” type, completely different.

Bing Carb Types – Specs and Apps

1. Bing “Puch”  clamp 20, slide 16.5 (9 o’clock slot), jet 3.5, needle 36
 0 carb ID #    specifications  on years  version  make   models
 0  size ID #  jet slide n. n.jet 

01/12/279   0  00  0  0.00   modern remake
01/12/29
2   54  24  2  2.22  1977-78  1.0hp  Puch  GN, Maxi, Sport, Newport
01/12/293
   60  24  2  2.22  1977-78  1.5hp  Puch GN, Maxi, Sport, Newport
01/12/293
   60  24  2  2.22  1978-78  2.0hp  Puch  Maxi Luxe, Sport, Newport
01/12/29
4
   52  24  2  2.22  1977-78  1.0hp  Puch  GN, Maxi, Sport, Newport
01/12/29
4
   52  24  2  2.22  1979-80  1.0hp  Puch  GN, Maxi, Sport, Newport
01/12/297A
 52  51  2 2.12A 1980-80  1.0hp  Puch  Magnum II, Magnum MkII
01/12/29
9
 00  ??  2  2.22  1978-79  0.0hp  JC Penney  Swinger 1, 2?, Pinto 1?, 2?
01/12/300
   48  11  2 2.12A 1978-80  1.0hp  Puch  Sport MkII, New. II, Maxi II
01/12/30
2
   50  ??  2  2.22  1978-79  1.0hp  JC Penney  Swinger 1, 2?, Pinto 1?, 2?
01/12/304  
 66  24  2  2.22  1978-78  1.5hp  Puch  Maxi Luxe, Sport, Newport
01/12/305
  00  00  0  0.00   1978-79  1.5hp  JC Penney  Swinger 1?, 2?, Pinto 1?, 2?
01/12/307 
  58  11  2 2.12A 1978-78  2.0hp  Puch  1978 Sport MkII

01/12/307 
  58  24  2  2.22  1979-80  2.0hp  Puch  ’79-80 Maxi Luxe, Sport, Newport

01/12/309 
  48  51  2 2.12A 1980-80  1.5hp  Puch  Magnum II,Magnum MkII,Maxi Luxe
01/12/310 
  48  51  2 2.12A 1979-79  1.5hp  Puch  Maxi Luxe, Sport, Newport
01/12/31
  56  24  2  2.22  1979-80  2.0hp  Puch  Maxi II, Sport MkII, New. II
01/12/316 
  64  11  2 2.12A 1978-79  2.0hp  Puch  Magnum XK
01/12/31
  50  11  2 2.12A 1978-79  1.5hp  Puch  Magnum XK
01/12/318 
  50  11  2 2.12A 1978-79  1.0hp  Puch  Magnum XK, Magnum MkII
01/12/322 
  60  51  2 2.12A 1978-80  2.0hp  Puch  Magnum II, Magnum MkII
01/12/323 
  48  11  2 2.12A 1978-79  1.5hp  Puch  Magnum MkII
01/14/15  64  24  2  2.20  1976-76  2.0hp  Puch  N, S, Nostalgic
01/14/157   00  00  0  0.00  1978-79  2.0hp  JC Penney  Swinger 1?, 2, Pinto 1?, 2?
01/14/16
  64  24  1  2.22  1977-79  2.0hp  Puch  GN, Maxi
01/14/163 
  68  11  2 2.12A 1978-78  2.0hp  Sears  Free Spirit, 1980 Murray 2.0hp
01/14/164
   52  11  2 2.12A 1978   1, 1.5hp  Sears  Free Spirit
01/14/1?? 
   52  51  2 2.12A 1981-82  1.5hp  Puch  Series B
01/14/166
   62  51  2 2.12A 1980-81  2.0hp  Murray ??
01/14/1??  
  68  51  2 2.12A 1981-82  2.0hp  Puch  Series B
01/14/185
   64  24  1  2.22  1980-85  2.0hp  Puch  Maxi, Sport LS
01/14/196
   68  24  2 2.17 1984-86  2.0hp  Puch  Cobra 1, Cobra 2
01/14/203 
  70  24  2 2.17 1984-86  1.5hp  Puch  Cobra 2
01/15/46
     82   00  02.17   modern replacement

2. Bing Type 85  clamp 20, slide 14.5 (9 o’clock slot), jet 4.0, needle 36(12) or 33(10)
 0 carb ID #    specifications  on years  version  make   models
 0  size ID #  jet slide n. n.jet 

85/10/101 A50  2B  2.17  1976-79 1.0hp  Sachs engines 504/1B, 505/1B
85/10/101A 50  2B  0  2.17  1979-85 1.0hp  Sachs engines 504/1B, 505/1B
85/12/101 A
52  2B  0  2.17  1976-79 1.5hp  Sachs engines 504/1A, 505/1A
85/12/101A 52  2B  0  2.17  1979-85 1.5hp  Sachs engines 504/1A, 505/1A
85/12/104A 58  02   none    1978-79 2.0hp  Sachs engines 504/1D, 505/1D
85/12/118 A55  02   none    1980-85 2.0hp  Sachs engines 504/1D, 505/1D

3. Bing “Kreidler”  clamp 16, slide 14.5 (2 o’clock slot), jet 3.5, needle 36
01/10/126
   
68  10  2  2.17  1976-78  2.0hp Kreidler 
01/12/260 
  68  10  2  2.17  1976-78 2.0hp  Kreidler  Flory
01/12/268 
  68  10  2  2.17  1979-80 2.0hp  Kreidler  Flory

4. Bing “Solo”  clamp 16, slide 14.5 (12 o’clock slot), jet 3.5, needle 31(10) or 33(12)
01/08/102
 58  16  1  2.12  1978 -80 1.5hp  Solo engine
01/10/112 
 58  16  1  2.12  1978-80 1.5hp  Solo engine on Columbia Open Road

5. Bing “Jawa”  flange, slide 14.5 (12 o’clock slot), early jet, needle 31(10) or 33(12)
0
1/8.5/168
  62  32
0
1/10/???
    62  32
0
1/12/167 
  62  24  2  0.00  1979-83 1.7kW  Jawa Supreme 2 & 3, 207-392 & 394
0
1/12/168  
 60  24  2  0.00  1960’s  xxxxxx  Sachs 50/2 engine
0
1/12/169 
  66  24  2  0.00 

01/12/315 
 62  24
01/12/325

6. Bing SSE “Allstateflange, slide 14.5 (12 o’clock slot), early jet, needle 31?
SSE – 12  
50  00  0  0.00  50’s 60’s euro   Puch MS50, MV50, JLO
SSE – 12  
62  00  0  0.00  1954-68  xxxx  Sears-Puch Allstate Mo-Ped

7a. Bing Type 15 clamp 23, slide 16.5 (11 o’clock slot), jet 4.0, needle 36
Type 15 is same as Type 18 except reversed left to right, and 15 has a intake bell Ø55.
15/12/100 
52  13  2  2.26  
unknown app
15
/15/102 58  13  2  2.26  unknown app

7b. Bing Type 17 and 18  clamp 23, slide 16.5 (11 o’clock slot), jet 4.0, needle 36
Type 17 is same as Type 18 except reversed left to right.
17/15/1103
 68  13  2  2.15? 1988-93
? euro  Piaggio-Puch Supermaxi LG1, LG2
18/12/206
   52  13  2  2.26  1984-86 1.5hp  Puch  Austro Daimler (Maxi Plus)
18/12/207
   54  13  2  2.26  1984-86 2.0hp  Puch  Austro Daimler (Maxi Plus)
18/14/104
   52  13  2  2.26  1992-99
? euro  Zundapp
18/14/180
   52  13  2  2.26  1995-96 2.0hp  Manet-Puch Korado

8. Bing “Magnum X” clamp 23, slide 18.5 (9 o’clock slot), jet 3.5, needle 40
    Like Bing “Kreidler”, but everything is bigger, except the float and float bowl.
0
1/17/89 
    84  11  1  2.20  unknown app

0
1/17/169
   84  02  1  2.20  1978-79 3.5hp Puch Magnum X