Covers

May 14, 2016

Contents:  Avanti Batavus  Derbi Motobecane

Contents:  Peugeot Puch  Sachs  Tomos  Vespa

 


Avanti (Garelli VIP remake)

2001 Avanti Autopower engine covers

Avanti 3-piece set $90

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Batavus (Laura M48 engine)

Laura M48 magneto (right) and clutch (left) covers are the same.

Laura, Motobecane, Batavus, Badger, Solo, Angel, Speed Bird magneto covers all interchange, because they all have a 124 mm inner diameter. Here are some original examples:

Motobecane magneto cover

1970’s Motobecane

Batavus clutch cover

’70’s Batavus (Laura M48)

Laura engine cover

early 1970’s Laura M48

Angel

1970’s Angel (TYM)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Solo type 254/255

Solo type 236/237

Tas BE-48 (Solo 236)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here are some examples with the 1980 Motobecane replacement covers installed. For Solo and Tas engines a piece of wire is required, wrapped around engine and the replacement cover tabs.

Replacement cover
installed on Solo

Batavus M48 with late Motobecane magneto cover

Replacement cover
installed on Batavus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1980’s Motobecane engine cover
124mm ID, black, with tabs, price $18

Above, this one cover fits and replaces all of those covers above. It is exactly for a early 1980’s Motobecane. But it fits anything that takes a 124mm ID round cover.  It is deep enough for stock mopeds. But it is not deep enough for some Motobecane CDI magnetos, or any that are much taller than stock. It comes with two rubber clips to hold it onto the metal “ears” on the engine case.

 

 

 

 

 

Derbi Covers

 
Part #  # ←pic#….Description Price      Applications
########### ### ################### #### #########################
000.821.5100 1 footrest right $25 1976-1979 Derbi SL, SLE
000.821.5500 2 footrest left $35 1976-1979 Derbi SL, SLE
000.821.5180 chaingaurd left grey N/A 1976-1979 Derbi SL
000.823.0150 9 engine cover right grey $80 1976-1979 Derbi SL
000.823.0200 10 engine cover left grey $70 1976-1979 Derbi SL
000.872.2220 chaingaurd right gold 1976-1979 Derbi SLE
000.871.5180 chaingaurd left gold 1976-1979 Derbi SLE
000.873.0150 engine cover right gold N/A 1976-1979 Derbi SLE
000.873.0200 11 engine cover left gold $50 1976-1979 Derbi SLE
000.851.5180 TT chaingaurd left black 1976-1986 Derbi TT
000.853.0150 12 engine cover right black $80 1976-1979 Derbi TT
000.853.0200 13 engine cover left black $60 1976-1979 Derbi TT
0A0.???.???? 14 engine cover L blk used $50 1984-1986 Derbi SL (no cavity)
original only 5 center cover (early non) N/A 1976-1979 Derbi SL, SLE, TT
000.821.8220 6 center cover (non reed) $80 1976-1979 Derbi SL, SLE, TT
0A0.220.0561 7 center cover (reed) $90 1980-1986 Derbi SL, SLE, TT
000.871.5100 3 footrest right $35 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
        continued … 1980-1986 Derbi SL, SLE
000.871.5500 4 footrest left $45 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
        continued … 1980-1986 Derbi SL, SLE
0F0.221.0221 chaingaurd right N/A 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
0F0.152.0181 chaingaurd left N/A 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
000.853.0150 engine cover right N/A 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
000.853.0200 engine cover left N/A 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
0A0.182.0221 8 center cover N/A 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport

Derbi Center Panels: The center panel choke button is supposed to push the Delorto carburetor choke lever down, and later allow it to release back up after the bike is started and the throttle is momentarily maxed out. But it often does not work properly, and it is finicky. When it sticks, either on or off, you must wiggle or move the center panel to make it click, or else remove the panel and operate the lever directly. The main cause is an incorrect angle of the carburetor. Loosen the clamp and rotate one way or the other. The carb should be vertical, but the finicky panel might require it to be slightly tipped. Because of this difficulty, many Derbi owners have cut holes in, or removed and discarded their center panels. Derbi fixed the problem on the 1986-1989 models by using a choke cable and a right handlebar lever. No more reaching down and fussing. 

Derbi Center Panel Choke Button Parts: There are three different “feet” that press onto the vertical plastic button shaft. Here are shown the correct ones, for reference purposes. Some are for sale but not yet listed. Also the steel tongue at the front is for sale but not shown here.

 


Motobecane

Motobecane 50, 50V (rear suspension)

Motobecane 50 covers

Motobecane 50 covers, pre-77 originals

Motobecane 50 covers, MLM polished stainless

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

22249 right MB50 chain guard cover white   $35-45
22251   left MB50 chain guard cover white   N/A
54318 right MB50 cover white w/gold stripe N/A
54319   left MB50 cover white w/gold stripe N/A
54302 right MB50 chain guard metallic red  N/A
54303   left MB50 chain guard metallic red  N/A
54304 right MB50 chain guard metallic blue $35-40
54305   left MB50 chain guard metallic blue N/A
00000 right MB50 chain guard misc used     $35-40
00000   left MB50 chain guard misc rough    N/A
MLM set of polished stainless (like chrome)  $80

Cover Screws (coarse thread not regular metric)
A 17424   $5  used original cover screw M5-0.9 x 12 with plastic washer
B 17424  N/A new original cover screw  M5-0.9 x 12 bare
B 00000   $6  new original cover screw  M6-0.9 x 12 bare

C 00000   $3  new replica cover screw   M5-0.9 x 12 bare
D 17425   $3  used belt cover screw xx  M5-0.9 x 10 with plastic washer
E 00000   $6  new original screw xxxx   M5-0.9 x 12 bare
F 00000   $6  new original screw xxxx   M5-0.9 x 10 bare
G 17425   $4  new belt cover screw xxx M5-0.9 x 10 bare
H 00000   $5  new original screw xxxx   M6-1.0 x 12 bare
00000   $3  new white plastic stepped washer ∅5
I  00000   $3  new white plastic stepped washer ∅6

J  00000   $3  new black plastic stepped washer ∅5
J00000   $3  new black plastic stepped washer ∅6

K 00000  50¢ new screw for re-thread M5-0.8 x 12 standard

1976-77 Motobecane 50L

1976-77 50L

1978-79 Motobecane 50V

1978-79 50V

1978-79 Motobecane 50VL

1978-79 50VL

1980 Motobecane Le Moped

1980 Le Moped

 

 

 

 

 

 

Motobecane 50 Leg Shields

MB 50 leg shields 1

MB 50 leg shields 2

MB 50 leg shields 3

MB leg shields 4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is an original leg shield set #20250, and mounting bracket set #20290.
It is new but there are some minor scratches, from years of being kept on parts shelves.
These have sold, but there is a right side shield and certain mounts available.

Here is a diagram of some 1950-60’s Motobecane leg shields. The mounts are different.

 


1974-76 Motobecane 40TS

1974-76 Motobecane 40TS

Motobecane 40 (no rear suspension)

00000  set  MB40 chain guards white new plain  $90
00000 set MB40 chain guards painted ivory used $75
00000 set MB40 chain guards with stickers used $85
22247 right MB40 chain guard cover white new  $60
22248   left MB40 chain guard cover white new  $45
00000 right MB40 chain guard misc colors used  $50
00000   left MB40 chain guard misc colors used  $35
17424 side cover screw M5-0.9 x 12 coarse used  $6
17425 belt cover screw M5-0.9 x 10 coarse used  $5
17426 cover screw plastic stepped washer black   $3
00000 screw (for re-thread) M5-0.8 x 12 std  $0.50

 

Motobecane magneto cover black    (see above)
Motobecane magneto cover gray used       $25- $30 without tabs

 

 

 


Peugeot

Peugeot 103, General and Taiwan clones

Peugeot 103 covers

Peugeot 103 original covers N/A

Peugeot 103 chrome covers N/A
These are the same as the type 2 black ones below.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peugeot 103 side covers,  1. original N/A2. repro plastic $48/set3. repro fiberglass $40/set
Type 2 fits well. It says PEUGEOT in raised letters. The new soft plastic has some scratches.
Type 3 requires rubber washers at front bolts. They have a small 1/4″ to 3/8″ gap at the frame.

 

Covers #3 have a 3/8″ gap where they are supposed to touch the frame.
Rubber risers go under the front screws. They make installation difficult.

 

All of these models take the same side covers:

1976 Peugeot 103 LVS

1976 Peugeot 103 LVS

1980 Peugeot 103 SPB

1980 Peugeot 103 SPB

1975 Peugeot Sport

1975 Peugeot Sport
General copied this

1981 General 5 Star

1981 General 5 Star
and many compatibles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Peugeot 102 covers

Peugeot 102 covers

Peugeot 102

L    L side cover, used, blue              N/A
L1  L toolbox, used, blue                 $50
L2  L toolbox, used, bluish silver      $45
L3  L toolbox, used, bluish silver      $45
L4  L toolbox, used, blu-sil, 1 knob   $35
R    R side cover, new, blue              N/A
R1  R toolbox, used, blue, 1 bracket $35
R2  R tool. used blu-sil, no brackets $25
R3  R tool. used blu-sil, no brackets $20
R4  R tool. used blu-sil, no brackets $20

 

magneto cover Peugeot alum rough  $25

 


1. Maxi 1-speed covers generic

Puch

Puch Maxi, Newport, Sport

1 410200 side panel set Puch 1-speed black generic     $39

2 000000 side panel set Puch 1-sp used black orig xlnt N/A
2 000000 side panel set Puch 1-sp used black rough    $30

Puch Maxi 1 and 2 speed covers

3 000000 side panel set Puch 2-sp used black rough    $60

5 204900 screw M5 x 46 with black knob  replica new   $3
5
204900 screw M5 x 46 with black knob original used  $8
204900 screw M5 x 46 with gray knob original used  $12
5 000000 screw M5 x 45 phillips head substitute new   50¢

6 000000 left side panel Puch 1-sp used black rough   $30
6 000000 left side panel Puch 2-sp used black rough   $45
6 000000 left side panel Puch 1-sp used grey rough    $55

7 000000 right side panel Puch 2-sp used black rough $45
7 000000 right side panel Puch 1-sp used black rough $25

Puch Maxi side covers exploded view

Puch Maxi side covers exploded view

7 000000 right side panel Puch 1-sp used grey rough  $45

8 205100 screw M5 x 36 with black knob  replica new   $3
8
205100 screw M5 x 36 with black knob original used  $8
205100 screw M5 x 36 with gray knob original used  $12
8 000000 screw M5 x 35 phillips head substitute new   50¢

Right screws: 2 long and 1 short.   Left:  1 long and 2 short

1977 Puch Maxi

1977 Puch Maxi

 

All of the Maxi one speed models have the same covers: Maxi, Maxi Luxe, Maxi Sport, Sport, Newport. All of the Maxi two speed models have the same covers: Maxi II, Maxi Sport LS 2, Sport MkII, Newport II.

 

magneto cover Puch used            $20-$40

 

 


Puch Rigid cover set

Puch Rigid cover set, black

Puch Rigid, GN, Maxi N

Puch 1978 GN

1978 Puch Rigid

This is the no rear suspension model.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Puch Magnum side cover set

Puch Magnum, Sears, JC Penney side covers.

Puch Magnum, Sears Free Spirit, Murray, JC Penney

side panel set Puch Magnum used black original   N/A
right side panel Puch Magnum used black original N/A
left side panel  Puch Magnum used black original  N/A

side panel screw with knob aftermarket  M5x15    $3
side panel screw with knob original new  M5x15    $6
side panel screw with knob original used M5x15    $3

side panel screw wide slot head subst.     M5x15   50¢

 

15 mm cover screws
L aftermarket,  R original

 

1978 Magnum MkII

1978 Magnum

Sears Free Spirit

1978 Sears

1981 Murray

1981 Murray

1978 JC Penney

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Sachs 504 magneto cover

Sachs 504 left cover

Sachs 505 magneto cover

Sachs 505 left cover

Sachs and Hercules

Sachs 504, 505 engines

magneto cover Sachs 504 chrome used  $10-$15

magneto cover Sachs 505 bigger used    $25

 

Hercules or Sachs mopeds

side covers (chain guards)      none available

 

 


Vespa (Piaggio)

Vespa Cover Fasteners (Quarter-Turn Slot-Head)                                Vespa Ciao Side Covers

1990’s Vespa Ciao side covers black $48/set
These fit 1970’s -80’s Ciao.
Fasteners are front D, middle C, rear C

Vespa Cover Fasteners

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A 132872 named  total
A 132872 length  length

A 185818  34.0   43mm $4.00
A 1979-85 Si rear and middle
A 1982-on Bravo (all)
A 1986-on Si (all)

67-71 Ciao cover fasteners, different from 72-on
These can be purchased at UK Ebay.

132871 00mm 41mm $4.00
B 1977-80 Bravo rear
B 1978-83 Grande rear
B 1979-85 Si front

C 143615  27.5   37mm $4.00
C 1972-80 Ciao rear and middle
C 1980-on Ciao PX rear and middle

132872 00mm 33mm $4.00
D 1977-80 Bravo front (can use E, 2mm shorter)
D 1978-83 Grande front, center-front and center-rear

143614  23.5   31mm $7.00
E
1972-80 Ciao front (can use D, only 2mm longer)
E 1980-on Ciao PX front

122957 spring  34mm $3.00 same for all

 

Vespa Battery Boxes and Covers

Battery boxes were on early 70’s Ciao (US models with brake light), and late 70’s to early 80’s Ciao, Bravo, and Grande “blinker” models (equipped with turn signals and different switches and equipment). These side box covers have been scarce since the late 1980’s. They often fall off, and nobody is reproducing them. If you know of a source please tell Shaun by email.

The larger size box 227 x 160 mm is on Grande. Price $10 per box without lid, good-used.

The smaller box 222 x 158 mm is on Ciao and Bravo. $12 per box without lid, good-used.

Vespa battery boxes and covers have two sizes.
A large cover will fit a small box, but not visa versa.

Piaggio box sticker
42 mm aluminum
price $6 each

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vespa Ciao (small) side box cover set   N/A 

Vespa Grande (large) side box cover set  N/A

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Steering

May 14, 2015

Bicycles are external, motorcycles are internal.

Welcome. Steering bearings on most bicycles are external type, where the bearings lie outside the frame head tube (which is “not stepped”). Steering bearings on most motorcycles are internal type, where the bearings lie inside the frame head tube (which is “stepped”). All mopeds have the bicycle type steering bearings, except Derbi, which has motorcycle type.

Balls Up or Balls Down is the famous question faced when installing retainer (caged) ball bearings. The lower bearing always faces balls down, but the top bearing is sometimes facing up, and sometimes facing down. When it is installed wrong the cage gets crushed. The answer is: the balls always face the “cone” and not the “cup”, regardless of “up” or “down”. Sometimes the upper frame race is a “cone”, sometimes it is a “cup”.

Any bearing, when pushed together lightly with your fingers, should feel like the balls are rolling. Nothing should feel like it’s scraping or sliding. When you see the balls rolling at half the rotation speed, and the feel is solid and smooth like an ice cube on a smooth table, then the bearing is correct and good. 

Caged Balls or Loose Balls can be interchanged. The cage/retainer is a convenience, that keeps the balls from falling out during installation. If the retainers are the wrong size, or bent, but the balls are correct, the balls can be popped out, and installed using grease to hold them. When the cage is eliminated, almost twice as many balls are required, enough to fill the circle with a half to one ball gap. This has another big benefit on worn out races that have dents where each ball was at. When the number of balls changes, say from 14 to 26, the dents do not line up anymore. So it’s almost like having a new race.

Bicycle headset threads and dimensions, from Sutherlands

Bicycle headset threads and dimensions, from Sutherlands Handbook

Slight Differences in steering threads have frustrated many bicycle and moped mechanics trying to substitute steering parts from one machine to another. At right is a chart of bicycle headset threads and sizes. Basically the whole world uses ISO threads, one inch with 24 threads per inch (25.4 x 1.06), except France (25.0 x 1.00), Austria (26.0 x 1.00), Raleigh (25.4 x 1.02), and motorcycles (24.0 x 1.00). None of these thread sizes interchange. They either won’t screw on, or they will screw on loosely, and later slip around and “strip”. 

Slight Differences in “30mm” frame cups, from 30.0 to 30.2 millimeters, turn out to not matter, ordinarily. Only when the fit is already too loose on a 30.2, or too tight on a 30.0, would it matter.

30.0 replacing 30.2: Take a moped frame that has 30.2 cups and pound one cup out with a hammer and punch, alternating sides. Then take a 30.0 cup and hammer it in. You will only have to strike it about half as hard, because it has a looser press fit. It will hammer out easier.

30.2 replacing 30.0: Take a moped frame that has 30.0 cups and pound one cup out with a hammer and punch, alternating sides. Then take a 30.2 cup and hammer it in. You will have to strike it about twice as hard, because it has a tighter press fit. It will hammer out less easy.

There is much confusion about what is 30mm, the cup outer, or the frame inner. A frame for 30.0 cups can be 29.7 to 29.9 mm inner diameter (id). A frame for 30.2 cups can be 29.9 to 30.1. Some cups are made in between, 30.1 mm. The cups for sale below are classified as “30.0 cups” if they measure 29.9 to 30.15 mm. They are classified as “30.2 cups” if they measure 30.16 to 30.25 mm.

Slight Differences in “32.5mm” frame cups, from 32.5 to 32.7 millimeters, turn out to not matter, ordinarily. They range from 32.5 to 32.7, with most around 32.6. 

 

 


1. #52     2. #65     3. #73     4. “Euro”

Bearing Retainers

1   #52 retainer, 15 – 3/16″ balls  31.5 id      $5.00
For traditional American bicycles, AMF, Colombia, etc.

  #65 retainer, 15 – 3/16″ balls  28.5 id      $2.00
For traditional Schwinn bicycles, BMX, and low-end ATB.

3   #73 retainer, 16 – 5/32″ balls  29.0 id      $1.50
For traditional ten-speed bicycles, standard bikes, childrens.
A good substitute for the European 14 – 5/32″ ball retainer.

4   “Euro” retainer, 14 – 5/32″ balls 27.0 id    $8.00
This is like a #73 retainer with an inner lip for stiffness.

Loose Balls

1   5/32 inch (#5) balls (3.97mm), pack of 26        $2   26 loose 5/32″ balls can replace a “Euro” 14-ball retainer. 
For light duty moped and bicycle headsets.                 26 loose 5/32″ balls can replace a #73 16-ball retainer.

2   3/16 inch balls (4.76mm), package of 26          $2   22 loose 3/16″ balls can replace a #65 15-ball retainer. 
For heavy duty headsets, and some wheels.                22 loose 3/16″ balls can replace 21 loose 5mm balls

3   5 millimeter balls (5.00mm),  pack of 21           $5   21 loose 5mm balls can replace 22 loose 3/16″ balls
For Puch Magnum, Sears Free Spirit, and Tomos.          More balls, or bigger balls, can carry more weight.

 

 

Headsets and PartsMyrons Shirt green

In ascending order of thread size (fork), then cup size (frame).

After years of ignorance and misunderstanding, moped headset items have been identified, measured, verified, and presented below. With these measurements and specifications, it is possible to find correct replacements by measuring their sizes precisely with a calipers or a micrometer, and then matching it with the pictures and or brand names below, hopefully. These things have to be somewhat precise. If something is too tight it might not go on. If it’s too loose, or mismatched, the bike might be difficult to control, or be unpleasant to ride.

 

24.0 x 1.00 mm thread

 


Left: External Bearings Right: Internal Bearings

Derbi           24.0 x 1.00 (0.94″- 25.4 tpi), internal

Derbi mopeds have internal steering bearings, like motorcycles have. You can see on the Derbi at the right, the bearings are not visible. But on the Sparta Foxi on the left, the steering bearings are visible above and below the frame head tube. The Sparta has external steering bearings, as do all other mopeds.

Japanese motorcycles usually have this 24×1 thread on the top nut, but further down the steering tube steps up to 25×1 or 26×1 or bigger, where the bearings go.

 

 

25.0 x 1.00 mm thread

 


Peugeot Headset, 25-1.0 thread, 30.0 cups

Peugeot headset, 25-1.0 thread, 30.0 cups

Peugeot       25.0 x 1.00 (0.98″- 25.4 tpi), 30.0 cups

1         51974  complete set #2-10                   $40
2         48684  top chrome cap, press fit            $10-$18
3         51646  lock nut, 5 tall, 32 hex                 $5-$7
4         56118  lock washer serrated                   N/A
5         91783  adjustable cone chrome               $4-$6
5a  This little “nub”, from Peugeot bicycles, must be ground off.
5a  It goes into a ring of holes, a special “holey” washer, not #4.
6         91778  upper frame cup chrome 30.0 od  $8
7        91502a upper balls, 26 – 5/32″ 3.97mm   $2 or use #73
8         91502  lower “Euro” retainer 14-5/32″    $8 or use #73
9         46840  lower frame cup chrome 30.0 od  $8
10       14512  lower cone (crown race)  26.7 id  $5-$8
30.0 cups will replace 30.2 ones. They just press in easier.


Motobecane headset, 25-1.0 thread, 30.2 cups

Motobecane 25.0 x 1.00 (0.98″- 25.4 tpi), 30.2 cups

1         23312  partial set #3,5,6,7,8,9              N/A
2         15528  top plastic cap, press fit            $10$18
3         15526  lock nut, 32 octagonal                $6
4         00000  plain washer 25x35x1                 $2
5        23016a adjustable cone, zinc plated       $8-$12
6        23016b upper frame cup, zinc   30.2 od  $7
7         00005  upper balls, 26 – 5/32″           $2/26 or use #73
8         00005  lower balls, 26 – 5/32″           $2/26 or use #73
9         14208  lower frame cup, zinc   30.2 od  $7
10       19859  steering tube with lower race       N/A
11       14606  lock plate/washer                       $4
12       14605  pivot bolt M20-1.0, 32 oct          $15

 


Vespa Grande set, 25- 1.0 thread, 33.0 cups

Vespa Grande set, 25- 1.0 thread, 33.0 cups

Vespa Grande 25.0 x 1.00 (0.98″- 25.4 tpi), 33.0 cups

Vespa Grande headset is unique, heavy duty, French thread.
3       G68856  chrome cap nut, 32 hex, 25×1    $12-18
3a     000000  Piaggio emblem pressed-in           N/A
4       306912  thin washer for nut                        $3
5       G21316  adjustable cone, 25×1, notched    $15
6       G22937  upper frame cup, zinc    33.0 od   $7.00
7       G21317  upper balls, 27 – 5/32″ 3.97mm    $2/27
8       G21317  lower balls, 27 – 5/32″ 3.97mm    $2/27
9       G22937  lower frame cup, zinc    33.0 od   $7.00
10     G21315  lower cone (crown race)  25.6 id   $7.00
The Grande crown race is only 25.6 id, and the fork is 25.7.

 

25.4 x 1.06 mm thread

 


Honda PA50 set, 1"-24 thread, 30.0 cups

Honda PA50 headset, 1″-24 thread, 30.0 cups

Honda PA50  25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.0 cups

The Honda PA50 Hobbit (Camino) is made in Belgium.
It is mostly European in design and components.
3     00000000 chrome cap nut, original              N/A  use bicycle

4     00000000 washer 26x32x1.5                       $3

5     00000000 adjustable cone chrome              N/A  use bicycle
6+9 00000000 frame cup chrome, each 30.0 od $5 2.0 thin wall
7+8 00000000 orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each        $8   
7+8 JB-1909    #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each        $1.50
10   00000000 lower cone (crown race) 25.7 id N/A
10
This is the original crown race size. It was loose on the fork.
Three samples of Honda PA50 original forks were like this.
The fork steering tube is a straight 25.4mm all the way down.
So there needs to be a 0.15mm hard steel strap under the race.


General headset, 1"-24 thread, 30.0 cups

General headset, 1″-24 thread, 30.0 cups

General            25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.0 cups

2    1150-5860 chrome cap nut, original             $20  use bicycle
3    1150-5895 stepped notched nut, 31.8 lip      $15
The bottom side of nut #3 has a lip that fits inside #4a.
That’s why the holes in #4 and #4a are big, 32 not 26.
This lip carries the side loads through the nut threads,
instead of the fork top pressing on the threads directly.
1960’s small Honda motorcycles had this design.
4    1150-5894 plain washer 32x44x0.5               $5
4a  3150-5885 fork top plate, 31.8 hole             N/A
4b  1150-5886 spacer tube  26x41x8                  $7
5    1150-5893 adjustable cone chrome             $15
6    1150-5892 upper frame cup chrome 30.0 od $15
7+8 1150-5890 loose balls, 23 – 3/16″ 4.76mm   $2/26
9    1150-5891 lower frame cup chrome 30.0 od $15
10   JB-2742    lower cone (crown race)  27.0 id   $7
Asian mopeds use the Japan Industry Standard (JIS). General, Lazer, Grycner, Clinton, Jui Li, AMS, Tas, Tym, etc.


Tange Levin CDS Headset

Tange Levin CDS sealed precision headset

Bicycle (JIS)  25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.0 cups

JB-35496  EC30/27 Tange Levin sealed headset $30
0000000   upper frame cone black  30.0 od        N/A
0000000   lower frame cup chrome 30.0 od        N/A
0000000   lower cone (crown race) 27.0 id        N/A
JIS stands for Japan Industry Standards.
JIS crown races are 27.0 id, for a 27.1 fork.
JIS frame cups are 30.0, for a 29.9 frame.

 

Bicycle (ISO)  25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.2 cups

Headset PartsJB-35495  EC30/26 Tange Levin sealed headset $30
0000000   upper frame cone black  30.2 od        N/A
0000000   lower frame cup chrome 30.2 od        N/A
0000000   lower cone (crown race) 26.35 id      
N/A
ISO stands for International Standards Organization. 
ISO cups are 30.2 mm o.d, for a 30.1 mm i.d frame.
ISO crown races are 26.4 id, for a fork crown 26.5 od.

Nuts and Washers:
A   0000000  thin lock nut, for spacing, 1″-24, oct     $2.00
B   JB-35705  Origin8 black open top nut, 1″-24, oct  $2.00
C   JB-3510    Wald 220 chrome open nut 1″-24, oct  $5.00
D   0000000  keyed thick washer 26x34x3                 $1.00
E   0000000  plain thin washer 26x32x1.5                 $1.50
F   0000000  plain thick washer 26x33x2.5                $2.00


Batavus headset, 1"-24 thread, 30.0 cups

Batavus headset, 1″-24 thread, 30.1 cups

Batavus  25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.1 cups

Batavus mopeds are made in Holland.
1     47.043.00 partial headset #3-10               N/A
2     46.306.00 plastic plug for nut                     N/A
3     02.059.00 chrome open nut, original     $5-10  use bicycle

4     06.055.00 washer 26x34x1.5                      $3

5     47.043.04 adjustable cone chrome             N/A  use bicycle
6     47.043.03 upper frame cup, zinc 30.1 od  N/A use Peugeot
7+8 47.096.00 orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each       $8   
7+8 JB-1909   #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each        $1.50
9     47.043.02 lower frame cup, zinc 30.1 od  N/A use Peugeot
10   47.043.01 fork cone (crown race) 26.5 id $12 use bicycle
11   46.117.00 spring strap/sleeve 1.0/0.35      N/A
The fork steering tube is a straight 25.5mm all the way down.
The strap crushes to 0.5 mm, so it adds up, 26.5 = 25.5 + 2*0.5.
The ideal spring strap for Batavus would be 0.5mm.


Trac headset, 1"-24, 30.0 & 30.2

Trac headset, 1″-24, 30.0 and 30.2 cups

Trac          25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.2 cups

Trac mopeds are made in Korea by Kia and Dae Lim (DMC).
This example is for the early Tracs 1982-85 with M56 engines.
90305-M56-8900 chrome cap nut, orig. hex  N/A use bicycle

90503-M56-8900 washer 26 x 37 x 1            $3

4a 90304-M56-8900 notched thin nut               N/A use octag.
53211-M56-8900 adjustable cone chrome     N/A use bicycle
50301-M56-8900 upper cup chrome 30.2 od  N/A
96211-05000      upper balls, 26- 5/32″ #5  $2/26 or use #73 
96211-05000      lower balls, 26- 5/32″ #5  $2/26 or use #73 
50302-M56-8900 lower cup chrome 30.0 od  N/A
10 53212-M56-8900 cone (crown race) 25.5 id  N/A
This is the original crown race size, but it was loose on the fork.
The fork steering tube is a straight 25.4 mm all the way down.

The looseness had caused a 25.3 mm wear groove on the tube.
To be tight it needs a spring strap and a bigger race, like Batavus.


Cimatti set, 1"-24 thread, 30.2 cups

Cimatti headset, 1″-24 thread, 30.2 cups

Cimatti         25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.2 cups

Cimatti’s are Italian, and use Italian headset standards.
Cups are 30.2, for a 30.1 frame. Same as bicycle.
3     18-00-51  chrome cap nut, 32 octagon        $20
4     18-01-18  plain washer, 26x30x1.5                $3
4a    xx-xx-xx  spacer tube, 26x29x9                   N/A
5     12-00-65  adjustable cup chrome                $12
6     12-00-62  upper frame cone, zinc   30.2 od    $8
7+8 10-00-39   orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each         $8 
7+8 JB-1909    #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each         $1.50
9     12-00-63  lower frame cup chrome  30.2 od $20
10   12-00-64  fork cone (crown race)    26.5 id  $12
11
Italian crown race is 26.5 id, for a fork crown 26.6 od.
ISO (International Standards Org.) threads are 1″- 24 tpi.


Garelli headset, 1"-24 thread, 30.2 cups

Garelli headset, 1″-24 thread, 30.2 cups

Garelli          25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.2 cups

Garelli’s are Italian, and use Italian headset standards.
1  507607.2100 complete original set #3-10       $65
1a    000.0000  set with chrome hexagonal nut   $45
2      206.3067  chrome open nut, 32 octagonal    $6
3      000.3086  chrome cap nut, 32 octagonal    $20
4      000.3085  plain washer, 26x30x1.5              $3
5      207.3078  adjustable cup chrome              $12
6      000.3062  upper frame cone zinc   30.2 od  $8
7+8  10-00-39  orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each         $8 
7+8  JB-1909   #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each         $1.50
9      201.3064  lower frame cup chrome 30.2 od $20
10    000.3065  lower cone (crown race) 26.5 id  $12
One German-made moped, Kynast, uses this headset,
because Kynast (Flying Dutchman) has an Italian fork.


Vespa Ciao set, 1"- 24 thread, 30.2 cups

Vespa Ciao or Bravo, 1″- 24 tpi, 30.2 cups

Vespa Ciao/Bravo  25.4 x 1.06 (1″- 24 tpi), 30.2 cups

Vespa mopeds are made in Italy by Piaggio.
1       135977 partial original set #5-10              $25
3a     145608  chrome cap nut, 32 oct (Bravo)    $20
3       137609  chrome open nut, 32 oct (Ciao)    $18 use bicycle
4a     145607  locking plate, 32 octagon (Bravo)  N/A
5       136258  adjustable cup chrome decagon    $12
6       123315  upper frame cone zinc   30.2 od    $8
7+8 10-00-39  orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each         $8 
7+8 JB-1909   #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each         $1.50
9       123316  lower frame cup chrome  30.2 od  $12
10     123317  lower cone (crown race)  26.5 id  $10
11   Vespa uses Italian headset standards, 26.5 and 30.2.
12


Schwinn set, 1"- 24 thread, 32.5 cups 1960's rechromed

Schwinn headset
1″- 24, 32.5 cups
1960’s re-chromed

1968 Schwinn Stingray equipped for BMX

1968 Schwinn
BMX equipped

Bicycle, Schwinn 25.4 x 1.06 (1″- 24 tpi), 32.5 cups

In the 50’s – 60’s USA this was a Schwinn-only head set size.In the late 1960’s BMX (bicycle moto cross) began. The first BMX bikes were 20″ kids bikes with off road tires, MX handlebars and seat. The Schwinn Stingray was preferred, because of it’s heavy duty construction and high quality. In the 70’s BMX equipment became Schwinn-compatible, including frames with 32.5 mm headset cups. BMX became very popular, as did the headset. In the 80’s it became the mountain bike (ATB) standard. In the 1990’s bigger 1-1/8″ steering tubes came out on high-end ATB’s, with 34.0 frame cups. Soon 34mm frames became the new ATB standard. Then bigger 1-1/4″ steering tubes and 37mm frames followed. Now this historic headset is almost obsolete.

BMX Headset, 1"-24 thread, 32.5 cups

BMX Headset, 1″-24 thread, 32.5 cups

This is a 1980’s-90’s BMX or ATB headset, 32.5 cups.
The cups fit Puch Magnum, Tomos and Sears Free Spirit.
1   JB-35334-0  EC32/26 Sunlite chrome headset $10
3   JB-35334-3  Sunlite chrome open nut, 32 hex   $5
4   JB-35334-4  keyed washer 26x34x1.5              $1
5   JB-35334-5  adjustable cone chrome               $3
6   JB-35334-6  upper frame cup chrome 32.5 od  $4
7   JB-35334-7  special retainer, 16-5/32″ each     $3
8   JB-35334-7  special retainer, 16-5/32″ each     $3
For 50 years these had #65 retainers, with 3/16″ balls.
9   JB-35334-9  lower frame cup chrome 32.5 od   $6
10 JB-35334-1  lower cone (crown race)  26.4 id   $8
The fit, roundness and finish are surprisingly good.

 


AMF headset, 1″-24 thread, 33.6 cups

Bicycle, American 25.4 x 1.06 (1″- 24.0 tpi), 33.6 cups

1      MP-0014    AMF original headset #3-10        $40
1a   JB-3512       Wald 4080 headset 3a-10 below $15

3     MP-0014-1  chrome AMF open nut, hex         $18
3a   JB-3510       Wald #220 chrome nut, 32 oct     $5
4     MP-0014-1a tab/lock washer                        $2
4a   JB-3503       1 inch keyed washer                  $1
5     MP-0014-2   adjustable cone, zinc                $8
6+9  MP-0014-4  frame cup zinc, each  33.6 od   $15
6a+9a JB-3513    Wald #410 cup, each 33/34 od  $6
7+8  MP-0014-3  #52 retainer 15 – 3/16″, each     $5
10    MP-0014-5  lower cone (crown race) 25.7 id  $7
10a  JB-35345     lower cone (crown race) 26.4 id  $8

Wald headset, 1"-24, 30/33 cups

Wald headset, 1″-24, 32.9/34.3 cups

This standard is on AMF, Colombia mopeds and bicycles.
Also traditional American bicycles, Murray, Huffy, etc.
Wald 4080 headset is for traditional or vintage American.
The Wald 410 replacement frame cups have 3 “bumps”.
The diameter is 32.9 mm, but 34.3 mm at the bumps.
Grind them down to fit any frame from 32.8 to 34.2 mm.

Colombia Fork Crown Race

American Crown Race: Unlike other fork crowns that have a small step at the base of the steering tube, American type bicycles have a smooth flare. The race #10 only touches at the top of the flare, and at the bottom floor of the fork. You can see in the right photo the crown race is cone shaped inside. All other crown races are cylindrical shaped inside. 

If an American type conical crown race is not available, then a 26.4 mm id standard crown race will substitute (at least it did on this fork), thanks to the bottom having enough straight section that is 26.5 mm outer diameter. It sounds crazy that a 26.4 race will substitute for a 25.5 one. That is why this explanation and pictures are needed here.

 

 

 

26.0 x 1.00 mm thread

 


Puch Maxi set, 26 -1.0 thread, 30.8 cups

Puch Maxi   26.0 x 1.00 (1.02″- 25.4 tpi), 30.8 cups

The Puch Maxi headset is the same as Sachs (Hercules).
1   0000000000 partial headset #5-10    see treatland.tv
2   3491300181 chrome open nut                     $7-$15
3   3491305181 chrome cap nut                      $8-$20
4   0009013935 plain washer 26x32x2              
$3
5   6001330071 adjustable cone chrome            $3-$5
6+9 6002330051 frame cup, zinc each  30.8 od N/A  2.0 thin wall
7+8 0003298    orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each      $8 
7+8 JB-1909    #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each      $1.50
10 6002330061 lower cone (crown race) 26.7 id $5-$8
11 3491300151 spring strap/sleeve 1.0/0.35 mm  N/A
Installed, the sleeve becomes 0.35 mm. So 26.7 = 26.0 + 2*0.35
These sizes are the traditional Austrian bicycle headset standard.
The 1984-86 Puch Cobra, was a “Magnum”, but it had this Maxi headset.


Sachs headset, 26-1.0 thread, 30.8 cups

Sachs/Hercules  26.0 x 1.00 (1.02″- 25.4 tpi), 30.8 cups

The Sachs headset is the same as a Puch Maxi headset.
1   5041009701 partial headset #5-10    see treatland.tv
2   9271013516 chrome open nut                     N/A  use Puch Maxi
3   9271013519 chrome cap nut                      N/A  use Puch Maxi
4   9279920817 plain washer 27x37x1.25        N/A

4a 9279919606  spacer ring 27x32x6           N/A
5   000000000 adjustable cone chrome          N/A  use Puch Maxi
6+9 00000000   frame cup, zinc each  30.8 od N/A  2.0 thin wall
7+8 00000000   orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each      $8 
7+8 JB-1909    #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each      $1.50
10 000000000 lower cone (crown race) 26.7 id $5-$8
11 9219769501 spring strap/sleeve 1.0/0.35 thick N/A
Installed, the sleeve becomes 0.35 mm. So 26.7 = 26.0 + 2*0.35
These sizes are the traditional Austrian bicycle headset standard.


Sparta, KTM 26x1.0 32.0 cups

Sparta, KTM,  26-1.0 thread, 32.0 cups

Sparta/KTM   26.0 x 1.00 (1.02″- 25.4 tpi), 32.0 cups

1     00000000  complete headset #3-10            $35
2     335.01.01  chrome cap nut (Kreidler & KTM)  $8-$18
3     00000000  chrome cap-lug nut (for Sparta) $10-$20
This nut bottom is cone shaped, for centering, like a lug nut.
4     235.01.10  plain washer (for Kreidler & KTM)  $2
5     00000000  adjustable cup, bright zinc          $5-$8
6     235.01.02  adjustable cup chrome (Kreidler) $15
6     00000000  upper frame cone, zinc   32.0 od  $5-$8
7+8 JB-1908    #65 retainer, 15 – 3/16″ each      $2
7+8 00.69.27    22 – 3/16″ balls (Kreidler) each    $2/26
9     00000000  lower frame cup zinc    32.0 od   $5-$8
10   00000000  lower cone (crown race) 26.7 id  $5-$8
New crown races range from 26.65 to 26.74 mm id.


Puch Magnum set, 26-1.0 thread, 32.6 cups

Puch Magnum set, 26-1.0 thread, 32.6 cups

Puch Magnum   26.0 x 1.00 (1.02″- 25.4 tpi), 32.6 cups

Puch Magnum MkII, Sears Free Spirit 8084, 8085, 8086 silver:
3a 3211308181 chrome cap nut (zinc on Sears)  N/A
4b 3211308191 washer 29x35x.75             N/A  above plate
4a 3211308511 spacer 26x32x13.5             $8  below plate
Magnum XK, Sears Free Spirit 8080 blue, 8081,8082,8083 red:
3   3491305181 chrome cap nut                 $8-$20
4        9013935  washer 26x32x2.5              $3 below plate
All Puch Magnums (except Cobra) and Sears Free Spirits:
5   3211307081 adjustable cone zinc 51 od    $15-$20
6+9  25221  frame cup, zinc, each  32.6 od    $25  3.3 thick wall
7+8  25226  loose balls 5mm qty 21 each        $5/21 or use 3/16
10    25220  lower cone (crown race) 26.7 id   $5-$8
11    00000  early Schwinn cup, chrome 32.5  $12  2.0 thin wall
12    02016  Sears Free Spirit cup, zinc  32.6   $15  2.8 thick wall
13    00000  Schwinn/BMX cup, chrome 32.7   $20  2.6 thick wall


Tomos A3 and A35, 26-1.0 thread, 32.6 cups

Tomos 1975-2006  26.0 x 1.0 (1.02″-25.4 tpi) 32.6 cups

Tomos made Puchs, under license, from 1955 to 1974. 
That is why the steering parts also fit Puch Magnum.
3        200718  chrome open nut 32 hex           $8-$12
3a      219349  chrome cap nut 32 hex             $8-$15
4        206701  plain washer 26x36x1.5            $3
5a      200717  notched adjustment nut            $5
5b      200715  dust shield 26x47x9mm             $5
5c      200714  upper cone, no threads 26.0 id   $8
6       200558  upper frame cup, zinc  32.6 od $15  2.6 thick wall
7       044535  upper balls 5mm qty 21            $5
8       044535  lower balls 5mm qty 21            $5
9       200471  lower frame cup, zinc   32.6 od $20  2.6 thick wall
10     200714  lower cone (crown race)  26.0 id $8
11
The 1987-06 Tomos fork has M26-1.0 rolled threads 25.8 od, then smooth 25.1 od, flaring to 26.1 at arrow.
The 1975-86 Tomos fork has M26-1.0  cut  threads 25.8 od, then smooth 26.0 od, flaring to 26.1 at arrow.


Tomos A55 headset, 26-1.0 thread, 32.5 cups

Tomos 2007-2013  26.0 x 1.0 (1.02″-25.4 tpi) 32.5 cups

1        230741  partial headset #4-11               $40
The 2007-12 Parts Catalogs only have the older fork items.
So the 07-on EBR fork items, 10 and 11, are not available.
3       219349  chrome cap nut 32 hex               $8-$15
4       222848  chrome washer 26x36x2             $3
5a     200717  notched adjustment nut              $5
5b     200715  dust shield 26x47x9mm                $5
5c     200714  upper cone, no threads  26.0 id    $8
6      223155  upper frame cup, zinc   32.5 od   $15  2.6 thick wall
7      044535  upper balls 5mm qty 21               $5
8      044535  lower balls 5mm qty 21               $5
9      223157  lower frame cup, zinc   32.5 od   $18  2.6 thick wall
10     00000  lower cone (crown race)  27.4 id  N/A use 26.7-27.0
11     00000  spring strap/sleeve 1.0/0.4 thick   $10 for 27.4 race
The strap crushes down from 1.0 to 0.7 when installed.
So 27.4 = 26.0 + 2*0.7. Ideal strap is 0.7mm thick.

The 2007-13 Tomos fork has M26-1.0 cut threads 25.8 od, then smooth 26.0 od, with no flare.
Instead of a flare or step, it has a #11 spring strap, the same one that a Puch Maxi has.

 

 

28.0 x 1.00 mm thread

 


Vespa Si          28.0 x 1.00 (1.10″- 25.4 tpi)  41.2 cups

This futuristic early 1980’s moped has a bigger steering tube and bearings.
This size was also for an old French tandem, according to http://sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-headsets.html

3      212152  chrome cap nut 36 oct               $20
4      000000
5      000000
6      000000  upper frame cup, zinc   41.2 od   $15  4.0 thick wall
7      000000  upper balls
8      000000  lower balls
9      000000  lower frame cup, zinc    41.2 od   N/A  4.0 thick wall
10     000000  lower cone (crown race)

 

28.6 x 0.98 mm thread

 


Bicycle (1-1/8″)  28.6 x 0.98 (1.125″- 26 tpi)  34.0 cups

EC34/30. This (1.125″) was the first oversize for 1990’s mountain bikes (ATB), 34.0 cups, 30.0 crown race.

 

 

31.8 x 0.98 thread

 


Bicycle (1-1/4″)  31.8 x 0.98 (1.25″- 26 tpi)  37.0 cups

EC37/33. This (1.25 inch) is the biggest external cup (EC) threaded bicycle headset, 37.0 cups, 33.0 crown race.

 


Handlebars

July 14, 2014

updated 2021-12

Contents: 

1. Handlebar Specifications

2. Aftermarket Handlebars

3. Original Handlebars 

 

 

 

 


1. Handlebar Specifications

Dimensions are width, height, rise, clamp length, control length, pullback.

Natural angle: Close your eyes, clench your hands in a fist, relax, and put both arms forward and down a little. That is the natural position of your hands. They form an angle, called θf, viewed from the front, and another angle, called θt, viewed from the top. Handlebars are all close to the average natural position of human hands. 

Positioning: Clamp-on handlebars can rotate in the clamps. During installation the rider chooses the best clamping position, for comfort and control. Most handlebars (except Clubman) are positioned with the rising part going straight up when viewed from the side. A rider with short arms might prefer a more rearward position, while a rider with long arms might want a more forward position. 

Flipping (inverting): Any clamp-on handlebar can be flipped over (inverted). But most will feel wrong and strain the wrists. Of the handlebars shown below, only the Clubman and Drag bars can be flipped over, and still feel right.

Dimensions: Six lengths can completely describe a handlebar, without the need for angles. Here the side-view angle θs, and the top-view angle θt, are calculated from the lengths R, H, P, L, W, and C.

tan(θt) = 2*P / (W-C)

sin(θf) = (R-H) / L  

Measuring: When measuring the dimensions, the end points are at the centers of the tubes, not the edges. The handlebar is placed on a flat table. With the rises vertical, the rise and height are measured from the center of the bar, straight down to the table, with 1/2 of the bar width subtracted (-0.4 inch). With the rises horizontal, the pullback is measured similarly. 

Height: Looking from the front, most handlebars, especially low ones, slant down slightly going outward, at an angle θf, because the height is less than the rise. On some handlebars, the height is greater than the rise, and θf is negative.

Pullback: Looking at most motorcycle bars from the top, the bars slant rearward, at an angle θt, because the pullback is greater than zero. When the pullback is zero, θt becomes zero. Cruiser bars are for comfort and have a large pullback, where the bar ends point more towards the back of the bike. Drag bars are for high powered acceleration, and have a small pullback for control and grip.

2D or 3D: When the pullback is zero, the handlebar is 2-dimensional and will lay completely flat. Otherwise, most 4-bend (non-Drag) bars are 3D and do not lay flat on a table. 2D handlebars are simpler to make, but don’t feel “right”, except maybe at one particular position. 3D handlebars are more complicated to make, but will feel “right” in a range of positions.  

Width: Wider handlebars allow better control. Off road bikes have wider bars. Narrow bars have less control, but are more aerodynamic for better fuel economy or higher top speed, and can squeeze through smaller spaces, like in between stopped cars.

Rise: High rise handlebars are taller, and put the hands higher. This can position the rider’s torso in a more upright position, for helping with back pain. Higher bars allow better control when standing up, like when jumping or hitting pot holes. Low rise handlebars put the rider leaning more forward. That reduces wind drag for higher top speed or better fuel efficiency.

Control length: Motorcycle handlebars need about 3 inches more control length than bicycle handlebars. They have thumb-operated levers or buttons, in addition to the finger-operated hand levers. Motorcycles have a twist throttle and a hydraulic brake on the right that takes up space. For motorcycles the minimum control length is roughly 8 inches. For mopeds it is about 6 inches. For bicycles it is about 5 inches. Any handlebar that has extra control length, can be cut shorter, up to the minimum control length, to reduce it’s width. 

Clamp length: The center straight area needs to be at least as long as the clamps. Motorcycles have wider handlebar clamps than mopeds. Here is a table of moped handlebar clamp spacings:

xxxxxxxxx xx inner  outer
Tomos A55 xx 1.7″ xx 3.1″  only this fork has enough inner space for bicycle bars with a 1″ x 1.7″ center bulge
Puch Maxi xx 1.55 xx 3.2
Hercules xxxx 1.2 xxx 2.4
Peugeot 103 x 1.2 xxx 2.3
Cimatti xxxx none xxx 2.4
Motobecane x 1.5 xxx 2.7

Applications: Not all mopeds can accept clamp-on “universal” handlebars. Some mopeds have bolt-on handlebars, where there are plates welded to the bar that bolt to the fork. Some mopeds have stem-mounted handlebars, where there is a long neck that goes inside the fork, held by a wedge bolt.

Thickness: Most modern 7/8 handlebars are  0.875 inch = 22.2 mm.

Vintage metric handlebars, are 0.863 to 0.866 inch = 21.9 to 22.0 mm.

The dual standard can sometimes cause problems.

22.0 controls on 22.2 bars: Wedge type controls, such as Domino, for 22.0 bars cannot fit on 22.2 bars. Wedge type controls do not clamp, but instead press a cone into the bottom of the handlebar. 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s “vintage” Domino controls have a fixed size hole, 22.0 mm, for 21.9 bars.

22.2 controls on 22.0 bars: Original vintage handlebars 22.0, with 1970’s Magura clamp type controls, require a strip of aluminum can under the clamp, to hold solid onto the handlebar. Otherwise the throttle slips around the bar. 1990’s and 2000’s “modern” Domino wedge type controls have a 22.3 mm hole, that works fine on either modern 22.2 or vintage 22.0 bars.

 

 


2. Aftermarket Handlebars

width 26
height 8.5
rise 7.5
clamp length 4.0
control length 6.5
pull back 4.0

 

Stock Moped chrome $25  thickness 0.872″ (22.14) 
Fits clamp type (22.6) controls and modern wedge type (22.3) controls.
Fits some vintage wedge type (22.0) controls, but some need sanding.

The width cannot be reduced by cutting
because the control length is already short, 6.5″. 


width 30
height 2.0
rise 2.3
clamp length 5.0
control length 8.2
pull back 4.7  

 

GP Touring chrome $25  thickness 0.869″ (22.07) 
Fits clamp type controls and modern wedge type (22.3) controls.
Fits some vintage wedge type (22.0) controls,
but others require careful sanding of the high places. 

For most mopeds that only need 6″ of control length, the ends
can be cut up to 2.0″, to reduce the width by ≈3.5″, from 30 to 26.5″.


width  29
height  3.0
rise 2.0
clamp length 4.2
control length 9.0
pull back  3.1

 

Superbike chrome $25  thickness 0.869″ (22.07) 
Fits clamp type (22.6) controls and modern wedge type (22.3) controls.
Fits some vintage wedge type (22.0) controls,
but others require careful sanding of the high places.

Superbike black $25  thickness 0.890″ (22.6) 
Only fits clamp type (22.6) controls.
With wedge type controls, the 22.6 mm bar does not fit into
the fixed-size hole (modern 22.3 or vintage 22.0 mm).
The black powder coating must be sanded off, to reduce the thickness.
But it is difficult to not scratch the exposed area.
 

For most mopeds that only need 6″ of control length, the ends can
be cut up to 3.0″, to reduce the width by ≈5″, from 29 to 24″.


width 29
height 5.0
rise 3.0
clamp length 4.8
control length 8.2
pull back 3.3

 

Daytona chrome $25  thickness 0.869″ (22.07 mm) 
Fits clamp type (22.6) controls and modern wedge type (22.3) controls.
Fits some vintage wedge type (22.0) controls, but others need sanding.

Daytona black $25  thickness 0.885″ (22.5 mm) 
Only fits clamp type (22.6) controls.
With wedge type controls, the 22.6 mm bar does not fit into
the fixed-size hole (modern 22.3 or vintage 22.0 mm).
The black powder coating must be sanded off, to reduce the thickness.
But it is difficult to not scratch the exposed area.
 

For most mopeds that only need 6″ of control length, the ends
can be cut up to 2.0″, to reduce the width by ≈3.5″, from 29 to 25.5″.


width 28
height 0
rise 0
clamp length 6.0
control length 9.5
pull back  2.6

 

Drag bars chrome $22  thickness 0.869″ (22.07) 
h
Fits clamp type (22.6) controls and modern wedge type (22.3) controls.
h
Fits some vintage wedge type (22.0) controls, but others need sanding.

Drag bars black $22  thickness 0.885″ (22.5) 
Only fits clamp type (22.6) controls.
With wedge type controls, the 22.6 mm bar does not fit into
the fixed-size hole (modern 22.3 or vintage 22.0 mm).
The black powder coating must be sanded off, to reduce the thickness.
But it is difficult to not scratch the exposed area.
 

For most mopeds that only need 6″ of control length, the ends
can be cut up to 3.5″, to reduce the width by 7″, from 28 to 21″.

 


width 28
height 0
rise 3.3
clamp length 5.5
control length 10
pull back 5.9

 

Clubman chrome N/A  thickness 0.869″ (22.07) 
Fits clamp type (22.6) controls and modern wedge type (22.3) controls.
Fits some vintage wedge type (22.0) controls, but others require sanding.

These bars are shown inverted, with the rises going upward.
In this position the bars are higher, but still at an angle that feels right.
Normally they are installed with the rises going down and forward.
That position is what racing bikes have, for reduced wind drag.

For most mopeds that only need 6″ of control length, the ends
can be cut up to 4″, to reduce the width by 8″, from 28 to 20″.

 


This has a 1 by 1.7″ center bulge.
Because of that, it only fits 08-17
Tomos or bikes with that fork.

width 20.3
height  5.0
rise 4.8
clamp length 3.5
control length 6.0
pull back 2.5

 

2009 Tomos Sprint
with Wald 3346 bars

Wald 3346 chrome $15 
thickness  7/8″ 0.0876 (22.3)
Only fits clamp type (22.6) controls
and modern wedge type (22.3) controls.
This is the only 7/8″ handlebar offered
here that is truly 7/8 = 0.875 inch,
because it’s American made.

 

 

 

 


3. Original Handlebars

Most Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) handlebars are available in a range of conditions. All are straight, unless noted. Some are new, some good used, and some are pitted, peeling or scratched. Some have tiny scuffs from being jostled around in parts bins. They are priced accordingly. Photos of actual choices are available, by email. 

Dual standards: Vintage European original bicycle and moped handlebars are 21.9 to 22.0 mm, to fit 22.0 controls. This metric standard lasted until the 1980’s. After the 80’s most European handlebars became 22.3 mm = 7/8 inch. 

 

Cimatti


1975 Cimatti City Bike

Cimatti 3110
$20-$45 good used

thick 0.862 (21.9mm)
width 24
height 9.6
rise  9.3
pull back 6.5
clamp length 3.0
control length 6.2

 

These bars have a plate and a clamp. The clamp has the strength to hold the bar, while the plate keeps it in that one position. The clamp will still hold if the plate is cut off. Without the plate the bar position is adjustable. Curiously this Cimatti handlebar is made by Garelli. See the tilted G logo?

 


70’s Cimatti Chic

Cimatti 2940 bars with levers
$70 very good used

thick 0.862″ (21.9 mm)
width 23
height 9.5
rise 10.0
clamp length 3.5
pull back  7.3
control length  6.2

 

 

Garelli


’76 Garelli Eureka Flex

Garelli 1975-79 bars-with-stem
500.204.5100 $35 rusted (shown)

thick 0.862 (21.9 mm)
width 22.5
height 7.9 plus stem
rise 8.3 plus stem
clamp length —
control length 5.8
pull back 5.1

These bars are on 1975-79 Garelli mopeds. They can adjust up and down, by how far the stem is inserted.

 


1978 Super Sport XL

Garelli 1977-79 high bars-with-stem
none available

thick 0.862 (21.9 mm)
width  23?
height
rise
clamp length  —
control length  5.8?
pull back

These bars are on 1977-78 Garelli Supersport XL and others.

 


’78 Garelli Super Sport LTD

Garelli 1978-79 bars-with-plate
none available

thick 0.862 (21.9 mm)
width 23,
height 11.1
rise 10.2
clamp length  —
control length 5.7
pull back 3.6

 

These bars are on certain 1978-79 models. The bottom of the handlebar has a chrome steel plate that says Garelli. The chrome handlebar plate bolts to the painted fork top plate. The fork top plate is made of stamped sheet steel. For these bolt-on bars the fork top plate was made too thin, causing most to crack near the edges of the handlebar plate. Garelli soon realized this problem, and stopped making the bars-with-plate design in 1979.

 


1978 Garelli VIP

Garelli 1978-86 clamp-on bars
507643.5100  none available

thick 0.862 (21.9 mm)
width
height
rise

clamp length
control length

pull back

These bars are on most 1980-86 Garelli, US models, and 1978-79 VIP and LTD (mag wheel) deluxe models. For about one year in 1978-79 all three handlebar designs were on Garelli mopeds, handlebar-with-stem, handlebar-with-plate, and clamp-on handlebar. But by 1980, all models had the clamp-on handlebar design, with strengthened fork top plate that did not crack easily.

 

Gitane


1978 Gitane Confort

Gitane (Testi) bars-with-plate
052181 $40 good used (shown)

thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
width 23.5
height 5.4
rise 6.6
clamp length —
control length 6.2
pull back 6.5

The 1977-80 Gitane mopeds (US models, made by Testi) had this bolt-on handlebar.

 

Honda


1978 Honda NC50

Honda NC50 Express
1977-79   $50 (shown)

thick 0.862 (21.9 mm)
width  23.5
height  9.5
rise  8.3
clamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
pull back  3.0

These clamp-on bars are on 1977-79 Honda NC50 Express and PA50 Hobbit. They have large holes for the electrical wires to go inside the handlebar. They have small holes for the little pins that hold the controls in a fixed position. They also have rubber-grommet covered holes for the throttle and choke or decomp cable. So altogether there are 7 holes. 

 


Kreidler

Kreidler bars
355.0301 $45 good used

Kreidler bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  24″
xxxxxx height  8.7
xxxxxxxx rise  8.8
xclamp length  3.2
control length  6.3
xxxx pull back  3.5

These clamp-on bars are on Kreidler Flory MP9 and MP19 mopeds. The handlebar has a short tab under the center, that fits into a slot in the fork top plate.

 

 


Motobecane

Motobecane clamp-on bars
21143 $20 – $40 used, straight

1977 Motobecane 50V

Motobecane 50V bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  21.5
xxxxxx height  6.3
xxxxxxxx rise  6.2
xclamp length  3.5
control length  5.5
xxxx pull back  4.6

These bars are on 1975-1980 Motobecane mopeds, US models 7, 40, 50, 50V, Moby, Le Moped.

 


Peugeot

Peugeot 103 bars
56320 (not available)

1977 Peugeot 103 LVS

Peugeot 103LVS bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width
xxxxxx height
xxxxxxxx rise
xclamp length
control length
xxxx pull back

These bars are on Peugeot 103LS and 103LVS models. They are so scarce that no sample was available for a photo and measurement.

 

 

 

1980 Peugeot 103 SPB

Peugeot SP bars
52711 $70 new old stock

Peugeot 103SP bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  22.3
xxxxxx height  7.5
xxxxxxxx rise  7.0
xclamp length  2.8
control length  6.5
xxxx pull back  4.2

These bars are on 102SP and 103SP models. They have thin wall tubing, for light weight, but they bend easily. So unbent originals are scarce.

 

 

 


Puch

Puch 1969-77 Maxi bars-with-stem
349..232..1000 $35 used, pitted

1977 Puch Maxi
bars-with-stem

Puch 1969-77 bars-with-stem

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width  23″
xxxxxx height  6.0 plus stem
xxxxxxxx rise  6.0 plus stem
xclamp length  —-
control length  5.5
xxxx pull back  2.8

These bars are on early Puch Maxi models, 1969 to 1977. The height is adjustable by the position of the stem.

 

1977 Puch Maxi
with clamp-on bars

Puch Maxi 1977-86 clamp-on bars
321..532..3011 see below for prices

Puch 1977-86 bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width 24.2″
xxxxxx height  8.8
xxxxxxxx rise  8.6
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back 4.3

These clamp-on bars are on 1978-79 Maxi Luxe, Newport, Maxi II, and 1980-86 Maxi, Maxi Luxe, Newport II.  

 

Puch Maxi fork top plates
L for bars-with-stem $15 – $10
R  for clamp-on bars  $35 – $30

1. $25 straight, clean, but pitted
2. $25 straight, clean, but pitted
3. $25 straight, clean, but pitted
4. $10 straight, badly pitted
5. $20 straight, clean, pitted
6. $20 straight, clean, pitted
7. $10 straight, badly pitted
8. $15 straight, but pitted
9. $45 straight, nice, some pitting
10. $50 straight, almost no pitting
11. $60 straight, no pitting, like new
12. $25 straight, dark blue sparkle

 

 

1985 Puch Maxi,
with tall bars

Puch tall bars
321..432..3011  N/A  used scratched

Puch tall bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.866″ 22.0 mm
xxxxxxx width 25.7
xxxxxx height  10.6
xxxxxxxx rise  10.3
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  4.1

These bars are the same as Maxi bars but taller. They are on 1977-78 Sport, Sport MkII, and 1984-86 Maxi, Maxi Sport LS, Maxi Sport LS 2. They are heavy because of thick wall tubing. 

 

1980 Magnum II

Puch tall cross bars
321..832..3011 $25-$35 used pitted

Puch tall cross bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width 25.7
xxxxxx height  10.6
xxxxxxxx rise  10.3
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  4.5

These bars are the same as tall bars, but have a curved crossbar. They are on 1979-86 Sport, Sport MkII and 1980 Magnum II.

 

1978 Magnum MkII

Puch Magnum cross bars
321..132.8012 N/A

Puch low cross bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width 25″
xxxxxx height  8.6
xxxxxxxx rise  8.4
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  4.3

These bars are similar to Maxi bars, but shorter and with a curved crossbar. They are on 1978-79 Magnum XK, Magnum MkII.

 

 


Sparta

1980 Sparta Buddy

Sparta handlebars, 8 available, from
$20 scuffed or faded, to $60 like new

Sparta bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.871″ (22.1mm)
xxxxxxx width 22.8
xxxxxx height  6.3
xxxxxxxx rise  7.3
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back 5.6

 

There are several mopeds with these handlebars: Sparta Foxi GT, Sparta Buddy, Sparta Lucky, Sparta Flying Dutchman, and others. These bars are the same as Batavus VA, Batavus Starflite, Batavus Regency bars, but with more pullback. They are made in Holland with high quality chrome that resists rusting.

 


Tomos

1979-86 Tomos controls
(made by Magura)

1986-91 Tomos controls
(made by Domino)

1992-08 Tomos controls
(made by HR)

< These Tomos controls do not have a post, so the handlebar does not need holes.

 

 

 

 

 

2001-07 Tomos controls
(made by Domino)

2008-13 Tomos controls
(made by TBS)

< These Tomos controls have a post that goes into a hole in the handlebar. When changing handlebars, holes have to be drilled. The holes have to be in a particular place to make the levers the same, and at the correct angle. 

 

 

 

 

 

1979 Tomos Bullet

Tomos 1974-1979 bars with stem
209.178 $45 used (shown)

Tomos 1974-1979 bars-with-stem

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.867″ (22.0mm)
xxxxxxx width  23.4
xxxxxx height  7.0
xxxxxxxx rise  6.8
xclamp length  —-
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  3.2

This stem type handlebar is what bicycles have. Older mopeds were more like bicycles. The stem can be positioned to make the bars higher or lower.

 

 

 

1979-1991 Tomos bars chrome
214810 $20 rusty, to $60 almost new

1987 Tomos Bullet

Tomos 1979-1991 bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.867″ (22.0mm)
xxxxxxx width 24.3
xxxxxx height  7.6
xxxxxxxx rise  7.0
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.5
xxxx pull back  3.8

 

 

 

1985 Golden Bullet

Tomos 1985-08 bars black
222888 N/A new (no holes)
222888 $13-$18 used

Tomos 1985-2008 bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0875″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  24″
xxxxxx height  7.5
xxxxxxxx rise  7.9
xclamp length  4.0
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  3.7

These bars do not have the holes for 2008-13 controls.

 

 

2010 Tomos ST

Tomos 2008-13 bars black
242199 N/A new (with holes)
242199 $12-$25 used 

Tomos 2008-2013 bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0875″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  24″
xxxxxx height  7.5
xxxxxxxx rise  7.9
xclamp length  4.0
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  3.7

These bars have the holes for late-model Domino or TBS controls.

 

 

Tomos Streetmate bars chrome
236416 $30 used (with holes)

2005-12 Streetmate

Tomos Streetmate bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0872″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  26.2″
xxxxxx height  4.2
xxxxxxxx rise  5.6
xclamp length  4.3
control length  7.7
xxxx pull back  5.7

These have holes for late Domino or TBS controls.

 

Tomos Revival bars chrome
242042 $40 (with holes)

2002-12 Tomos Revival

Tomos Revival bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0872″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  25.0″
xxxxxx height  6.6
xxxxxxxx rise  8.1
xclamp length  4.3
control length  7.5
xxxx pull back  6.7

These have holes for late Domino or TBS controls.

 

 

 

 


Reflectors

July 14, 2014

updated 2022-01

Identification and Dating: Original reflectors have to comply with safety standards in effect at the time they were made. The compliance markings that are molded into the front plastic give a clue to when and where the vehicle was made. The vehicle is always made after the compliance standard, usually many years later. Original tail lights and head lights also have compliance standards that can be used in identification and dating.

Ink stamps: Some reflectors also have an ink stamp on the back indicating the date that the reflector was made. The date the reflector was made is usually many years after the compliance date.

SAE Society of Automotive Engineers is a USA based standards organization that now is worldwide and called SAE International.

UNECE United Nations Economic Commision for Europe makes worldwide standards for automotive equipment and other things. The UNECE “E” number, with a circle around it, on the reflector indicates compliance for a particular country. E1 is Germany, E2 is France, E3 is Italy, … E11 is England, E12 is Austria and 59 other countries worldwide. See country codes for UN reg. 3

JIS Japan Industry Standards are separate from Europe. East Asian countries like Taiwan, China and Korea use Japan standards. So reflectors made in those countries do not have an “E” number.

 


Reflector Hardware

01. $2.00 foam cushion       Puch 901.3956
02. none   ∅4 speed nut       Puch 900.3650
03. none   ∅4 speed nut       Piaggio 181351 
04. $2.00 ∅4 speed nut substitute   SPnut4, replaces 2, 3
05. $1.50 ∅4 self-threading nut       STnut4, replaces 2, 3
06. none   ∅5 speed nut       CEV 19346
07. $2.50 ∅5 speed nut       Puch 902.4657
08. $1.50 ∅5 speed nut substitute   SPnut5, replaces 5, 6
09. $1.50 ∅5 self-threading cap nut STcap5, replaces 5, 6
10. $1.50 ∅5 self-threading nut       STnut5, replaces 5, 6
11. $1.00 ∅6 self-threading cap nut STcap6, too big for reflectors

Speed nuts:  Nuts normally screw on, but speed nuts push on. So they should more properly be called “push-on fasteners”. Once “on” they cannot be removed, except by using a dental pick tool to pry and bend back each of the inner petals.

Self-threading nuts (thread cutting nuts) screw on to plastic posts. They can be removed easily, but should not be tightened as much as a normal nut that size.

Broken posts: It is difficult to remove speed nuts without breaking the plastic post. Because of that, many used reflectors have their posts broken off. When that happens the reflector can be re-used by drilling a hole where the post was and using a small screw and nut, instead of the post and speed nut.

Cushions: All of the major moped brands that have reflectors attached by speed nuts use cushions under the speed nut, except Vespa (Piaggio). The cushions protect the posts from breaking and reduce the damaging or annoying effects of vibration. 

 


AMF 140, 130, 120, 110

AMF 1978-83

Meets SAE A (70), (73), (74)
U.S. D.O.T. safety standards.

 

AMF front reflectors

AMF rear reflectors

 

 

 

 

 

 

1978-79 AMF Roadmaster 110
Gem 90 with post 
AMF MP-0020-a  amber
$11 new,  SAE A 74,  ∅60 x 7
fastened by ∅5 self-threading wing nut
front says Gem 90 SAE-A-74 DOT
rear says Gem 108 P SAE A 73 DOT

 

1978-81 AMF Roadmaster 110, 120, 130
Gem 90 with hole 
AMF MP-0021-a red
none,  SAE A 73,  ∅60 x 7
fastened by ∅6 center bolt and nut
front says Gem 90 SAE-A-73 DOT

 

1980-81 AMF Roadmaster 110, 120, 130
Gem 90 with post 
AMF MP-0021-b red
$16 new,  SAE A 74,  ∅60 x 7
fastened by ∅5 self-threading wing nut
front says Gem 90 SAE-A-74 DOT
rear says Gem 108 P SAE A 73 DOT

 

1980-83 AMF Roadmaster 110, 120, 130, 140
Gem 90 with hole 
AMF MP-0259-a  amber
$11 new,  SAE A 73,  ∅60 x 7
fastened by ∅6 center bolt and nut
front says Gem 90 SAE-A-73 DOT
rear: Gem 108 P SAE A 73 DOT, US pat#’s, Chicago

 

1980-83 AMF Roadmaster some 120, 130, 140
Sate-Lite 25 with hole
AMF MP-0259-a  amber
$11 new,  SAE A 70,  ∅56 x 6
fastened by ∅6 center bolt and nut
front says Sate-Lite 25 DOT  SAE-A-70
rear says nothing

 

1980-83 AMF Roadmaster 140
Sate-Lite 20 with post 
AMF MP-0259-b  red
$22 new,  SAE A 70,  ∅58 x 5
fastened by ∅5 self-threading wing nut
front says Sate-Lite 20 DOT  Chicago SAE-A-70
rear says nothing

 

1980-83 AMF  Roadmaster 140, some 110
Gem 90 with post 
AMF MP-0259-c  red
none,  SAE A 74,  ∅60 x 7
fastened by ∅5 self-threading wing nut
front says Gem 90 SAE-A-74 DOT
rear says Gem 108 P SAE A 73 DOT

 

 

AMF reflectors were sold in replacement sets.
Some replacements are different than originals.

MP-0020 front reflector set (2 piece) for 110, 120, 130
a.
amber/black, Gem 90 with plastic post
a.
amber/black, Gem 90 with plastic post

MP-0021 rear reflector set (3 piece) for 110, 120, 130
a. red/black      Gem 90 with center hole

a. red/black      Gem 90 with center hole

b. red/white     Gem 90 with plastic post

MP-0259 front and rear reflector set (5 piece) for 140
a.
amber/black Gem 90 with center hole
a.
amber/black Gem 90 with center hole
b. red/black      Sate Lite 20, offset post

b. red/black      Sate Lite 20, offset post

c. red/black      Gem 90 with plastic post

 


1977 Batavus

Batavus 1973-80

Meets SAE A (1971)
and E3 standards.

 

1973-76 Batavus and many others
CEV 174
  Batavus amber
$21 used, SAE A 71, 49 x 62 x 10
long aluminum bracket ∅6 hole

fastened by ∅4 speed nuts, metal frame

 

1975-76 Batavus and others
CEV 174
  same as Puch 413.253.1760 red
$17 new, SAE A 71, 49 x 62 x 10
fastened by ∅4 speed nuts, metal frame
substitute speed nut $2.00 cushion $2 each

 

1976-80 Batavus and many others
CEV 174  CEV 04828 amber
$12 used, SAE A 71, 50 x 64 x 9.5
long aluminum bracket ∅6 hole

fastened permanently, plastic frame

 

1976-78 Batavus and others
CEV 174
  same as Puch 413.253.1760 red
$29 new, SAE A 71, 49 x 62 x 10
fastened by ∅5 speed nuts
substitute speed nut $1.50   cushion $2 each

 

 

 


1978 Cimatti

Cimatti 1975-78

Meets SAE A (1971)
and E3 standards.

 

 

1975-76 CEV 174  Cimatti 12-60-54 amber
$19 used, SAE A 71, 49 x 62 x 10 
fastened by ∅4 speed nuts, metal frame
requires short steel bracket 
subst. speed nut $2.00 cushion $2 each

 

1977-78 CEV 174  Cimatti amber
$16 used, SAE A 71, 50 x 64 x 9.5
fastened by ∅5 speed nuts, plastic frame
with short steel bracket
subst. speed nut $1.50  cushion $2 each

 

 


1976 Columbia

Columbia 1976-80

Meets SAE A (1971) standard.

 

 

1976-77 Gulco 24 Columbia amber
$14 used, SAE A 71, ∅58 x 6 mm
fastened by #10-24 threaded post and nut
front says Gulco 24 (Gulco) SAE A-71, rear says
Bright Star Ind Inc made in USA (Gulco) No. 222.2

 

1977-80 Gulco 24 Columbia 730-0114 amber
$14 used, SAE A 71, ∅58 x 7 mm
fastened by #10-24 threaded post and nut
front says Gulco 24 (Gulco) SAE A-71, rear says
Bright Star Ind Inc made in USA (Gulco) No. 224

 

 

 


’80 Derbi

Derbi 1976-89

Meets SAE A (1977)
and E3 standards.

 

 

CEV 218  Derbi  amber
$12 new, SAE A 77, 94 x 27 x 6.5 mm
steel bracket ∅12 hole

mounts to fork top

 

 

 

 


1977 Garelli

Garelli 1975-86

Meets SAE A (1971)
and E3 standards.

 

 

CEV 174  Garelli 506351.7033 amber
$14 used, SAE A 71, 50 x 64 x 9.5
short steel bracket, ∅6 hole with lip
goes outside of headlight mount

 

 

CEV 218  CEV 04924 amber
none  SAE A 77, 94 x 27 x 6.5
fastened by ∅5 speed nuts
for ’84-85 Monza GT

 

 

 


’80 General

General and Taiwan-made 1979-85

Meets SAE A (1970’s)

 

 

Cat Eye RR-210-8 General amber
$9 new, $7 used SAE A,  ∅58 x 10
fastened by ∅6 screw post and nut
says Cat Eye RR-210-8 SAE-A DOT Japan
white rear says Cat Eye 210-RR-WZ

 

Stratolite 89  late General amber
$15 used SAE A,  ∅60 x 8 M5 screw post
says Stratolite No. 89 SAE A
back says Miro Flex 330
exact copy of Stanley RR501Y

 

Stratolite 89-S  amber
$8 new SAE A,  ∅55 x 6 
says Stratolite No. 89-S SAE A
plain back, not peel and stick
attaches by adhesive

 

Stratolite 89  red
$15 used SAE A,  ∅60 x 8 M5 screw post
says Stratolite No. 89 SAE A
back says Miro Flex 330
exact copy of Stanley RR501

 

Stratolite 7⊗1  amber

 

 

 

 


1978 Honda

Honda and Yamaha 1978-85

Meets SAE A (1971)
and JS R-168, R-169

 

Stanley RR501Y  Honda amber
$15 used SAE A 71,  ∅57 x 12
says Stanley RR501Y SAE A 71
says AU40LIA Japan Θ R-168
back says Stanley 072-0170 Japan

 

Stanley RR501  Honda NC50, Yamaha QT50 red
$15 used SAE A 71,  ∅60 x 8
says Stanley RR501 SAE A 71 IATPEI81
says AU40LIA Japan Θ R-169
back says Stanley 072-042 Japan

 

 


1980 Indian

Indian 1978-81

Meets SAE A (1970’s)

 

 

Cat Eye RR-210-8 Indian F146-00-50 amber
$26 new, SAE A,  ∅58 x 10 use General (above)
fastened by ∅6 screw post and nut
says Cat Eye RR-210-8 SAE-A DOT Japan
black rear says Cat Eye 210-RR-WZ

 

 


1977 Lazer

Lazer 1977-79

Meets SAE A (1970’s)
and JS 8434

 

 

Cat Eye RR-210-6 Lazer 1150-8492 amber
$16 new, SAE A,  ∅58 x 6
fastened by ∅6 screw post and nut
says Cat Eye RR-210-6 SAE-A Japan JS 8434
alum. rear says Cat Eye RR-210-A made in Japan

 

Cat Eye RR-210-6 1970’s bicycles amber
$11 nice-used, SAE A,  ∅58 x 6
fastened by right angle bracket with ∅5 hole
says Cat Eye RR-210-6 SAE-A Japan JS 8434
alum. rear says Cat Eye RR-210-A-2 made in Japan

 

 


’78 Motron

Many Brands 1972-85

Meets SAE A (1971)
and E3 standards.

 

CEV 174  unidentified amber
$16 used, SAE A 71, 49 x 62 x 10
fastened by ∅4 speed nuts, metal frame
with 30-35 mm clamp mount
subst. speed nut $2.00  cushion $2 each

 

CEV 174  CEV 03240 amber
none   SAE A 71, 48 x 62 x 8
fastened by adhesive
used on Peugeot 103
.

 

CEV 174  CEV 03240.1 red
none   SAE A 71, 48 x 62 x 8
fastened by adhesive
used on 9350 rear light
.

 

CEV 174  CEV 04828.1 red
$15 new, SAE A 71, 50 x 64 x 9.5
aluminum bracket ∅6 hole
mounts to rear luggage rack
.

 

CEV 174  unidentified amber
$15 new, SAE A 71, 50 x 64 x 9.5
short aluminum bracket
mounts to headlight sides
.

 

CEV 174  unidentified amber
$16 used, SAE A 71, 50 x 64 x 9.5
flat triangle steel bracket ∅10 hole
goes outside of headlight mount

 

 


’77 Motobecane

Motobecane 1973-80

SAE B (63), A (69) (72)
E11, or BS 2515 (1954).

 

 

Seima 2022  Motobecane red
$24 used, SAE B 63, ∅56 x 10
attached by M5 screw post and nut
aluminum shell, older version 
this one has a date stamp 1975

 

Lucas RER 14  Motobecane 53439 amber
$9 used, $14 new, SAE A 69, ∅57 x 8 mm
attached by center screw post, also says
LUCAS ENGLAND BS 2515 GRADE 1 2 125  3169
also on ’60’s-70’s English motor vehicles

 

Lucas RER 14  Motobecane 53440 red
none   SAE A 69, ∅57 x 8 mm
attached by center screw post, also says
LUCAS ENGLAND SAE A 69 2.125  E11 3169
this one has a date stamp 1976

 

Seima 2022T  Motobecane 53440 red
$16-22 used, $28 new SAE A 72, ∅56 x 10
attached by M5 screw post and nut
aluminum shell 

 

Lucas RER 22 Motobecane red
A     $16-12 red reflector  SAE A 69
B     $12– 8 chrome bezel
C     $10– 7 mount for ULO tail light
AB   $26-18 reflector and bezel
ABC $30-22 reflector, bezel and mount

 

Lucas RER 22, Seima 2022T
$35
used, Motobecane red
SAE A 69, A72 and E11

mounts to ULO 250 tail light

 

 

 


1978 Peugeot

Peugeot 1976-83

SAE A (1966?), A (1971)
and E3 standards.

 

 

Peugeot 102 SP, 103 L2 (U1,U2), 103 SP
ULO 14970R 
Peugeot 60325 amber
$14 new bare, SAE A 6, ∅78 x 7
$16 used with bracket

$7$4 56396 steel bracket ∅8 hole
$1.50 M5 x 16 bolt, nylock nut, washer

 

Peugeot 103 L2 (U3), 103 LS, 103 LVS
CEV 174
  Peugeot 56395 amber
SAE A 71, 50 x 64 x 9.5

$35 new, $24 used (both with bracket)
$7$4 56396 steel bracket ∅8 hole

 

 


1975 Puch

Puch 1972-86

Meets SAE A (1971) or A (1972),
and E3 or E12 standards.

 

 

1972 to 05/77
CEV 174
  Puch 413.153.1760 amber
$19 used, SAE A 71, 49 x 62 x 10 1972 to 05/76
fastened by ∅4 speed nuts, metal frame
substitute speed nut $2.00 cushion $2 each

 

1972 to 05/77
CEV 174
  Puch 413.253.1760 red
$17 new, SAE A 71, 49 x 62 x 10
fastened by ∅4 speed nuts, metal frame
substitute speed nut $2.00 cushion $2 each

 

05/76 to 12/77
CEV 174
  Puch 413.153.1760 amber
$29 new, SAE A 71, 49 x 62 x 10
fastened by ∅5 speed nuts
substitute speed nut $1.50  cushion $2 each

 

05/76 to 12/77
CEV 174
  Puch 413.253.1760 red
$29 new, SAE A 71, 49 x 62 x 10
fastened by ∅5 speed nuts
substitute speed nut $1.50   cushion $2 each

 

1978-86
ZKW 058
  Puch 349.153.8761 amber
$26 new, $19 used SAE A 72, 66 x 45 x 8
says I  E12  3010  zkw 068.08.000.00
902.4657 ∅5 speed nut $2.50  cushion $2 each

 

1978-86
ZKW 058
  Puch 349.253.8761 red
$26 new, $19 used SAE A 72, 66 x 45 x 8
says I  E12  3010  zkw 068.08.000.00
902.4657 ∅5 speed nut $2.50  cushion $2 each

 

 

 


’77 Foxi

Sparta 1976-80

Meets SAE A (1973) standards.

 

 

Verma 5122  Sparta amber
$23 used, SAE A 73, ∅60 x 8 mm
offset steel bracket ∅8 hole
goes outside of headlight mount
.

 

Verma 5122  Sparta red
$17 used, SAE A 73, ∅60 x 8 mm
offset steel bracket ∅8 hole
goes on a bracket below ULO tail light
for pre-’78 early tail light (no side refs.)
.

 

 


1980 Tomos

Tomos 1973-18

SAE A (1971), A (1977) or A (1992)
and E3 standards.

 

 

CEV 174  Tomos 211.962 & 963  amber
$17 used, SAE A 71, 50 x 64 x 9.5
offset triangle steel bracket ∅6 hole
used on 1976 Tomos Automatic (A3)

 

CEV 218  CEV 04931 amber
$12 new, SAE A 77, 94 x 27 x 6.5 mm
steel bracket ∅8 hole

mounts to fork top on ’78-91 Tomos

 

EIE 91  Tomos 232766 red
SAE A 92, 90 x 20 x 5 mm
fastened by adhesive
was on ’02-12 Tomos Revival

 

 

 


1978 Vespa

Vespa (Piaggio) 1972-86

Meets SAE A (1970)
and E2 standards.

 

 

 

CEV 174  Vespa 142861 amber
$19 used, SAE A 71, 49 x 62 x 10 
fastened by ∅4 speed nuts, metal frame
original had no cushions

 

1974-77 Vespa Ciao C7N and C7E
CEV 174 mounted on fork
142861 $19.0 used reflector, metal frame
143245 none  fork mount rubber
SPnut4 $2.00 substitute ∅4 speed nut

 

Seima 2038T  Vespa 152897 amber
$14 new, SAE A 71, 63 x 34 x 7
fastened by ∅4 speed nuts
original had no cushions

 

1977-80 Vespa Ciao and Bravo
Seima 2038T
  mounted on headlight
152897 $14.0 new reflector
152898 none  headlight mount, rubber ’77 (some)
161274 $12.0 headlight mount, rubber 1977-80
SPnut4 $2.00 substitute speed nut

 

1978-83 Vespa Grande
Seima 2038T
  mounted on fork
152897 $14.0 new reflector
307097 $9.00 new fork mount
307147 $4.00 used clamp
SPnut4 $2.00 substitute speed nut

 

1979-86 Si, 80-86 Ciao PX, 1980 Bravo
Seima 2066
  mounted on headlight
189913 $14 new, SAE A 69, 56 x 45 x 12
189914
none  bracket inside headlight

SPnut4 $2.00 substitute speed nut
original had no cushions

 

CEV 174  Vespa amber
$17 used, SAE A 71, 50 x 64 x 9.5
fastened by ∅5 speed nuts
with short steel bracket
SPnut5 $1.50 substitute speed nut 

 

 

 


Forks

July 14, 2014

Contents:  A. Forks   B. Fork Parts   C. Swing Arms

 

 


A. Forks

 

Part # # ←picture#………Description Price      Applications
###### ### ############################# #### ##################################
…… F…R…O…N…T……F…O…R…K…S……
fork assy used straight Puch Maxi $100 Puch Maxi
fork assy used straight Motobecane $80 Motobecane
fork assy used straight Tomos early $100 Tomos 75-85
fork assy used straight Tomos N/A Tomos 86-06
fork assy used straight Batavus $100 Batavus 76-78
fork assy used straight Peugeot 103 LVS $100 Peugeot 103 LVS 76-80
fork assy used straight Peugeot 103 SP N/A Peugeot 103 SP 78-80 longer
many other used straight forks call
fork assy new Tomos Sprint/ST/LX silver Tomos 07-later Sprint/ST/LX
fork assy new Tomos Revival longer silver Tomos 07-later Revival&Streetmate
fork assy new Tomos Streetmate-R black Tomos 07-later Revival&Streetmate
fork tube one Peugeot 103 LVS new $50 Peugeot 103 LVS 76-80
fork tube one Peugeot 103 SP new $65 Peugeot 103 SP 78-80 longer
fork tube one Tomos A35 new $40 Tomos A3/A35 86-06
fork tube one used w/bushings Puch $45 Puch Maxi 75-86
fork bushing one nylon Puch Maxi $20 scarce Puch Maxi 75-86
fork top nut open hole early Puch Maxi $8 fits almost all mopeds
fork top nut closed late Puch Maxi $10 fits almost all mopeds

 

 


B. Fork Parts

 

1. Clamp-on Headlight Mounts

 

Clamp-on headlight mounts

For 28-30 mm fork tubes:

$17/pair or $9 each for Version 1 with EBR logo, no holes

$19/pair or $10 each for Version 2 with turn signal holes

 

 

For 26mm fork tubes:

The 28-30 brackets can work on 26mm fork tubes, with a 1.5mm rubber sleeve under the clamp.
The rubber sleeve also helps reduce vibration of the head light.
$2/
pair or $1 each for 1.5mm thick large black rubber washers used as sleeves.

 

 

 

 

 


C. Swing Arms

Myrons has original swing arms. They are yet displayed or listed. Use email to inquire.

 

 

 

 


Shocks

July 14, 2014

Welcome. Shocks are priced and sold by each unless stated.

Price Range: Dark green price is for used in rough condition. Bright green price is for new condition. Some shocks are available in various used states, ranging from “rough” to “like new”. So the dark green is the lower limit, and the bright green is the upper limit, of the price range. Most will be in between the low and the high, and priced accordingly.

N/A means Not Available. 

 

Damping: Most of these rear shocks do not have hydraulic fluid (oil) damping. Since most are pure springs with no damping, they are very bouncy. Certain high quality ones have some damping, and are less bouncy.

Length: The length is from center of hole to center of hole.

Width: Besides length and eyelet sizes, some shocks are limited in width by the frame or body panels. On Motobecane for example, you can’t put wider shocks even with the same length and eyelets (unless some bodywork is cut off).

Stiffness: You can’t tell how strong a spring is, until you squeeze it. Heavier people need heavier springs, and vice versa. 

Travel: Mopeds are for going slow on smooth roads, and so do not need much suspension travel (how far the wheels can move up or down when hitting a big bump). More travel makes the bike taller, but more able to handle bumps. 2 to 4 inches is typical. 


Shocks with 8mm Eyelets

Motobecane 1976-81 original

11.0″ 275 x8x8  $15-70
Motobecane 1976-81 original

Motobecane factory option

11.0″ 275 x8x8  $35-70
Motobecane factory option

 

 

 

 

 

Motobecane upper shock bolt: M8-1.0 x 45 (can be 1.25 thread)

Motobecane lower shock bolt: M8-1.0 x 38 (must be 1.00), inner spacer ∅8 x 5

 

Puch Maxi original shocks

11.8″ 300 x8x8 $35-70
Puch Maxi original

JC Penney Pinto has these same shocks but longer 320mm.

Sears Free Spirit (standard) and Puch Cobra have these but way longer 345mm.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Shocks with 8 and 10 Eyelets

Peugeot 51324 early

12.6″ 320 x10x8  $20-70
Peugeot 51324 (aluminum)
1975-77 Peugeot 103 LVS

Peugeot 51324 late

12.6″ 320 x10x8  $35-80
Peugeot 51324 (chrome)
1978-83 Peugeot 103 LVS
made in Italy by CiTe

Peugeot 59763

13.9″ 355 x10x8   N/A
Peugeot 59763
1978-81 Peugeot 103 SP

 

 

 

 

 

Peugeot 103 has a upper 10mm eyelet and a lower 8mm. The lower 8mm bolt can be replaced with a 10mm one, after drilling the frame hole, to accept a more common replacement shock with both 10mm eyelets. 


Shocks with 10mm Eyelets

Vespa Grande rear shocks

9.9″ 250 x 10 x 10 $20-45
Vespa (Piaggio)
1978-86 Vespa Grande

10.3″ 263 x 10 x 10 $20 ea
1976-80 Cimatti City Bike

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tomos 207049 rear shock

11″ 280 x10x10 $15-40
Tomos 207049
1977-91 Tomos Bullet

Tomos 219188 rear shock

11.0″ 280 x10x10  N/A
Tomos 219188 (early)
1979-85 Silver Bullet

11.0" 280 219188 late 1986-91 Golden Bullet

11″ 280 x10x10  N/A
Tomos 219188 (late)
86-91 Golden Bullet

Tomos 227236 rear shocks

11.0″ 280 x10x10  $40
Tomos 227236 (white)
1992-95 most models

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tomos 229357 rear shock

11.0″ 280 x10x10  $35
Tomos 229357 (grey)
1996-07 most models

Tomos 227172 (early)

11.0″ 280 x10x10  $35
Tomos 227172 (early)
1992-07 some models

Tomos 227172 (late)

11.0″ 280 x10x10  $45
Tomos 227172 (late)
2007-13 most models

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tomos HD shock

11.0″ 280 x10x10  $40
aftermarket

Gitane chrome shocks

11.4″ 290 x10x10  $30
original replacement
1977-80 Gitane

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Revival rear shock

11.8″ 300 x10x10   $30
Tomos 232713 (wide)
’01-13 Revival, S.mate

Tomos 221032 rear shock

12.7″ 320 x10x10  $55
Tomos 221032 (performance)
’08-13  Tomos Streetmate-R

<< This Tomos 221032 shock has more travel, more precision, and other features that make it outperform most other moped shocks. It has some damping, more than other moped shocks, but not as much as a true hydraulic shock. It is also adjustable in spring preload (stiffness) for different rider weights. The longer travel makes bumps feel smaller.

 

 

 

 

 

 

320x10x10 shocks

12.7″ 320 x10x10 $80/pair
aftermarket

12.7″ 320 x10x10 N/A
Columbia 745-0168 (sheet-metal frame)

13.0″ 330 x10x10 N/A
Columbia 745-0175 (mono-tube frame)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

13.6" 350 x10x10 Sparta Sparta Foxi, Buddy

13.6″ 350 x10x10 $30-60
1976-84 Sparta Foxi, Buddy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Shocks with 12mm Eyelets

12 inch go-kart shocks

12.0″ 305 x12x12  N/A
aftermarket

 

For Puch Maxi replacements, use these but with the original 8 x 12mm spacer tubes from the old shocks placed inside the 12mm eyelets.

 

 


Table of Moped Shock Sizes

 

 

 

 

Myrons Moped Shocks Rack

M y r o n s   V i n t a g e   M o p e d   S h o c k s   R a c k
Row 1 Left
09.2″ 235 x 8 x 8  Kreidler
2  11.0″ 280 x 8 x 8  Motobecane
3  11.0″ 280 x 8 x 8  Motobecane
4  11.7″ 295 x 8 x 8  Peugeot 102
5  12.0″ 305 x 8 x 8  Puch Maxi
6  ??.?” xxx x 8 x 8  ?????????   xxx x 8 x 8  ?????x??? ??????
7

Row 1 Right
1  12.0″ 305 x 8 x 8  Puch Maxi (coil)x
2  12.5″ 315 x 8 x 8  xxxxxxxxxx xxxx
3  ??.?” xxx x 8 x 8  ????????? ??????
4  13.7″ 345 x 8 x 8  Free Spirit (red)
5  13.9″ 350 x 8 x 8  Puch Magnum XK x
6  14.1″ 360 x 8 x 8  Puch Magnum MKII  ??.?” xxx x 8 x 8  ?????x??? ??????
7  14.1″ 360 x 8 x 8  same but lightweight

Row 2 Left
1  09.9″ 250 x10x10  Vespa Grande????????? ????
2  10.2″ 260 x10x10  Garelli (short)
3  10.3″ 263 x10x10  Cimatti (short)
4  10.5″ 267 x10x10  Italian (CiTe)
5  10.7″ 275 x10x10  Cimatti (long)
6  11.0″ 280 x10x10  Tomos Bullet
7  11.0″ 280 x10x10  Tomos Targa

???????? ??????
Row 2 Right
1  11.2″ 285 x10x10  ?????????? ????
2  ??.?” xxx x10x10  ?????????? ????
3  11.2″ 285 x10x10  Honda PA50 xx
4  11.5″ 290 x10x10  Gitane chrome
5  11.8″ 300 x10x10  Garelli (long)x
6  11.8″ 300 x10x10  Batavus HS50
7  11.8″ 300 x10x10  Batavus Reg.

Row 3 Left
1  12.0″ 305 x10x10  Garelli (long) ?
2  12.0″ 305 x10 x 8  Peugeot 103
3  12.1″ 310 x10x10  Trac
4  12.1″ 310 x10x10  General
5  12.2″ 310 x10x10  Indian
6  12.2″ 310 x12x12  motorcycle
7  13.7″ 350 x10x 8

Row 3 Right
1  13.6″ 350 x10x10  Sparta Foxi ????
2  13.9″ 355 x10 x 8  Peugeot 103SP
3  13.6″ 345 x12x12  motorcycle ????
4  13.0″ 330 x12x12  motorcycle ????
5  12.6″ 320 x12x12  motorcycle ????
6  12.6″ 320 x12x10  Honda Trail 90
7  11.1″ 283 x12x12  lightweight xxx

Not shown
1  10.2″ 260 x10x10 Vespa Bravo

 

 


More shocks are with their brands and not shown here, yet…

 

 


Seats

July 14, 2014

There are a few more seats available not listed here.

Solo seat: Standard bicycle seats have a 7/8″=22.2 mm clamp. Some 24-35 mm moped seat poles have a 22.2 mm top section. Those  can accept standard bicycle seats. Other moped seat poles are a straight 24-26 all the way, too big for a bike seat clamp.

 

4904 beach cruiser bicycle seat w/springs $22
10.5 by 10.5 inch, dual coil spring suspension
fits any moped with a 7/8″ seat pole top end

 

 

seat single Peugeot new with 1″ post $45  fits Peugeot 103 and others with 1″ hole

 


Gas Caps

July 13, 2014

updated 2020-03

Contents: 01. Quarter-turn 27mm thin wing
Contents: 02. Quarter-turn 30mm  
Contents: 03. Quarter-turn 30mm thin wing    
Contents: 04. Quarter-turn 40mm   
Contents: 05. Quarter-turn 40mm thin wing
Contents: 06. Quarter-turn 40mm wide wing
Contents: 07. Quarter-turn 40mm external wing
Contents: 08. Push-in xxxx 28mm   
Contents: 09. Push-in xxxx 30mm   
Contents: 10. Push-in xxxx 32mm     
Contents: 11. Push-in xxxx 36mm   
Contents: 12. Push-in xxxx 40mm   
Contents: 13. Screw-on  M30-1.75 external thread  
Contents: 14. Screw-on  M40-1.75, 2.0 external  
Contents: 15. Screw-on  M42-1.50 internal thread
Contents: 16. Screw-on  M50-1.50, 2.0, 2.5 internal 
Contents: 17. Screw-on  “bottle-cap” thread 45mm
Contents: 18. Pop-up (moped)
Contents: 19. Information and Explanation

 

 

 


1. Quarter-turn 27mm

This is a special size gas cap, only found only on some Trac models:

1983-90 Clipper, 1982-86 Eagle, 1984-88 Escot, 1984-89 Liberty, 1986-89 Olympic, and maybe 1988-90 Blitz.

It is part number 21204 or 17620-M56-8900. 

A 30mm quarter turn cap is too big and cannot be made to fit by simple grinding.

1a qtr-turn 27 thin wing $32
Trac Liberty step-thru

Gas tank qtr turn 27mm Trac Liberty

1984-89 Trac Liberty
quarter turn 27mm

Gas tank qtr turn 27mm (35 mm wing to wing) Trac Liberty

1984-89 Trac Liberty
35mm wing to wing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


2. Quarter-turn 30mm

For quarter-turn gas caps, the named size is the inner diameter of the filler neck it fits into. The actual size of the gas cap is a little less than the named size. That’s why a 28mm gas cap on the internet is called 30mm here, or a 38 is called 40 here.  

1. 1/4 turn 32mm chrome bottom view

2a q-turn 30 chrome $10
generic 206401

1. 1/4 turn 32mm chrome top view

qtr-turn 30mm
chrome, top view

1a. Rubber washer 30x50x2

2b Rubber washer $1
30 x 50 x 2mm for
most 30mm qtr-turn

1a. Buna rubber replaces old cork

Rubber replaces cork
on most 30mm gas lids

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2c qtr-turn 30 black $22
Tomos 222145
1985-93 Golden Bullet

54. qtr-turn 30mm Tomos orig on 1980-90 Bullet

2d qtr-turn 30 aluminum
1979-91 Tomos Bullet
(for reference)

3a. qtr-turn 30mm alum original on 1976 Tomos

2e qtr-turn 30 alum. $25
1974-78 Tomos Bullet
(can be polished)

3b. qtr-turn 30mm Tomos L orig on 1980 Bullet R orig on 2000 Sprint

qtr-turn 30mm Tomos
2f from 1980 Bullet $12
2g from 2000 Sprint $22

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Puch Maxi tank qtr-turn 30mm

1978 Puch Maxi
qtr-turn 30mm

Puch Maxi tank push-in 32mm

1976 Puch Maxi tank
push-in 30mm

Garelli Super Sport tank quarter-turn 32mm

1978 Garelli Super Sport tank
quarter-turn 30mm gas cap
(77 and some 78 are screw-on)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2h qtr-turn 30mm $17
chrome locking, 2 keys
Tomos 229530

21. qtr-turn 32mm chrome Garelli

2i qtr-turn 30 new $30
orig on 1978-on Garelli

2j qtr-turn 30mm new $60
Puch chrome with cup

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7. qtr-turn 32mm used Puch w/cup

2k qtr-turn 30mm $20-40
chrome Puch used
with oil measuring cup

8. qtr-turn 32mm used alum Puch

2l qtr-turn 30 $15-30 
aluminum Puch used

12. qtr-turn 32mm chrome Puch used

2m qtr-turn 30 $15-30
chrome Puch used

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


3. Quarter-turn 30mm thin wing

Some of these have thinner wings, and some have slightly different wings than “regular”.

48. qtr-turn 30mm Honda NC50 Express has vent on/off

3a qtr-turn 30mm used  N/A
Honda NC50 Express
has vent on/off switch

49. qtr-turn 30mm w/cup Honda PA50 Hobbit

3b qtr-turn 30 thin used $25
Honda PA50 Hobbit
has oil measuring cup

51. qtr-turn 30mm chrome Angel (Taiwan)

3c qtr-turn 30 used $15
Angel (TYM Taiwan)
slightly different wings

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3d left, qtr-turn 30 thin  $18
1970’s Suzuki, no gasket

qtr-turn 30 & 40 thin wing
L is 30mm with no gasket
R is 40 w/leather gasket

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


4. Quarter-turn 40mm

For quarter-turn gas caps, the named size is the inner diameter of the filler neck it fits into. The actual size of the gas cap is a little less than the named size. That’s why these are called 40mm here, but they are called 38mm elsewhere. 

10. qtr-turn 40mm chrome with qtr-turn 32mm

4a left, qtr-turn 40mm chrome $12
generic 632610 (right is 30mm)

4. qtr-turn 40mm black orig on 1987-91 Tomos Golden Bullet TTLX

4b qtr-turn 40mm black $15
Tomos 222785
1987-91 Golden Bullet TTLX

4c qtr-turn 40 used $25
Sears Free Spirit, Murray

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4d qtr-turn 40 used $40
Sears, Murray with cup

6. qtr-turn 40mm black locking

4e qtr-turn 40 black locking  N/A
Tomos 229545
1996-13 Tomos LX top tank

20. qtr-tur 40mm chrome locking

4f qtr-turn locking $17
Tomos 223840
1987-91 Bullet TT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4g qtr-turn 40 $20-$55
Puch Magnum

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


5. Quarter turn 40mm thin wing

18a. qtr-turn 30 & 40mm L is 1970's Suzuki 30 R is 1970's Japan 40

5a right, qtr-turn 40 $35
L is 1970′s Suzuki 30
R is 1970′s Japan 40

18a. qtr-turn 30 & 40 thin L is 30 with no gasket R is w/leather gasket

same ones bottom
L is 30 with no gasket
R is 40 w/leather gasket

46. qtr-turn 40mm Trac

5b qtr-turn 40 thin $35
1985-87 Trac Hawk

47. qtr-turn 40mm ?? Trac DH100 top tank?

5c qtr-turn 40 thin $35
1986-88 Trac DH100

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


6. Quarter-turn 40mm wide wing

6a and 7a chrome
are the same on top

6a wide and 7a ext. are
very different on bottom

 

 

 

 

 

 

41. qtr turn 40mm wide wing regular wing at right

6a qtr-turn 40 wide wing $30
wings 46.9 x 12.7mm
regular wing at right

1979 Motobecane Sebring qtr-turn 40mm wide wing

1979 Motobecane Sebring
qtr-turn 40 wide, lid 6a also some Pacer top tanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


7. Quarter turn 40mm external wing

26. qtr-turn 60mm chrome Peugeot TSM

7a qtr-turn 40 external $30
chrome Peugeot TSM

26. qtr-turn 60mm bottom view

qtr-turn 40mm external
view of external wings
Pacer top tank (some)

23. qtr-turn 40 external black locking

7b qtr-turn 40 external $30
black locking for TSM

7c qtr-turn 40 ext.
Peugeot TSM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

41 and 26 look the same on top

6a stainless and 7a chrome
are the same on top

41 and 26 are very different on bottom

6a 40 wide and 7a external
are very different on bottom

1980 Peugeot TSM tank qtr turn 40mm external

1980 Peugeot TSM
q-turn 40 external

Vintage motorcycle tank qtr-turn 40 external wing

Vintage tank
qtr-turn 40 external
takes lid 7a

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


8. Push-in 28mm

The early Vespa Ciao, 1967-68 up to frame #154099, had a light gray plastic 28mm push-in gas cap. Myrons does not have any, not even a photo.

After that it was a 32mm push-in.

 


9. Push-in 30mm

The named size of push-in gas caps is the inner diameter of the filler neck, 30mm. The actual size is smaller, 28 or 29 so it can slide in. But the seal lip or rubber ring is bigger 31mm, so it can get squeezed as it pushes in.

9a push-in $12 30mm generic

32. push-in 30mm Cimatti

9b push-in 30mm $20
pre-’78 Cimatti City Bike
(’78-on was qtr turn)

33. push-in 30mm Peugeot

push-in 30mm, left: 9c Peugeot 103 original N/A
right: replacements plain and Esso $35
These shrink. Adding an o-ring 9d fixes that $2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

29. push-in 30mm early Puch original

9e push-in 30 $30
early Puch original

18. push-in 30mm Hercules/Sachs

9f push-in 30mm  N/A
early Hercules-Sachs P1, M4
later Sachs tanks had qtr-turn

31. push-in 30mm KTM Foxi original

9g push-in 30mm $40
’77-79 KTM Foxi Deluxe

31. KTM caps break easy

KTM caps break easy
9h repaired but fragile $10
9g new kept in plastic bag

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peugeot 103 gas tank push in 30mm gas lid

1978 Peugeot 103 tank
push in 30mm gas lid

1980 Peugeot 102 tank 30mm push-in improv lid

1980 Peugeot 102 tank
30mm push-in improv lid

55. push-in 30mm locking - Avanti

9i push-in 30mm N/A
locking for Avanti

52. push-in 30mm with large teardrop top

9j push-in 30mm $25
with large teardrop top
Gitane Cricket (Testi)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

45. push-in 30mm black Colombia Open Road

9k push-in 30mm $25
Colombia Open Road

45. push-in 30mm Colombia left shrunk, right new

push-in 30 Colombia
left shrunk, right new

9l push-in 30mm $35 Peugeot locking gas cap

1985 General TE tank
30mm push in gas cap

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


10. Push-in 32mm

The push-in gas caps 10a, 10c, 10d, 10f have a thick rubber ring that is made too large, 34-35mm. Right out of the package it is too big to enter a 32mm gas tank filler neck, even with grease and care. The rubber ring must be ground down to reduce the outer diameter to 33mm. This makes the price a few dollars more.

10a 32mm push-in $13
with rubber ring ground
to 33, to fit 32 correctly
(shown with no rubber)
5313-N with dip stick

26. push-in 32mm Derbi shows how some shrink to 30mm

push-in 32mm Derbi
some shrink to 30mm!

26. Derbi 8204140 gas lid left - '76-86 not shrunk right - '86-89 shrunk to 30

Derbi 8204140 gas lid
left 10b ’76-86 not shrunk $35
rt – ’86-89 shrunk to 30

Derbi Variant tank 32mm

1977-89 Derbi Variant
32mm push in lid

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It’s amazing how much that Derbi gas cap shrank, from 32 to 30mm. And how the one from the newer model shrank, but the older model one did not. So a badly shrunken one could fit nicely on a Peugeot! Other soft plastic push-in gas caps with lips, not rubber rings, also shrink, like Peugeot. Only those 35 year old NOS ones that have been kept in a sealed plastic bag are not shrunk.

 

30. push-in 32mm Tomos Revival

10c push-in 32mm $25
Tomos 232546
’02-09 Revival, Streetmate
after 09 was qtr-turn 30
includes proper 33 ring

Special rubber washer fits Garelli and Tomos 32mm push in gas caps, with some grinding.

10d Rubber ring (buna-N) 35mm not ground $3
fits Tomos and Garelli 32mm push in gas lids 10e with the outer surface ground down to 33 $9
L to R, no rubber, rubber not cut, rubber cut

 

35. push-in 32mm early Garelli missing the o-ring

10f push-in 32mm $35
early Garelli step-thru
(shown with no o-ring)
includes proper 33 ring

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2005 Tomos Streetmate with 32mm push in lid until

2005 Tomos Streetmate
with 32mm push in lid
until 2010 then qtr-turn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


11. Push-in 36mm

27. push-in 36mm Derbi Laguna

11a push-in 36mm N/A
Derbi Laguna, RD50

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


12. Push-in 40mm

This fits Benelli G2, Moto Guzzi Robin and others. 

12a push-in 40mm $14
1976-78 Gitane (Testi)

39. push in 40mm 1970's Jawa original

12b push-in 40mm $30
1970-83 Jawa step-thru

General top tank pop-up accepts 40mm push-in

1979 General top tank
accepts 40mm push-in

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


13. Screw-on 30mm

13 a,b,c,d screw-on metal chrome
30×1.75 external thread for Motobecane 40, 50
a used with M logo,   no dip stick  none
new with M logo, with dip stick $29
c new with vent switch, with stick $18
d used with vent switch,  no stick $13

37. screw-in male Motobecane new white plastic

13e screw-on plastic
30×1.75 ext thread $25
for Motobecane 40,50

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1979 Motobecane 50V screw on male M30 x 2 tank ID is 28.5mm

1979 Motobecane 50V screw on male 30×1.75
tank ID is 28.5mm

Same MB tank cut away

Same MB tank cut away
inside view of fill hole
& center bulkhead wall

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


14. Screw-on 40mm

1978 Vespa Ciao tank screw-on female M40x2 with PVC improv lid

14a screw-on int 40×2
with PVC improv lid

1978 Vespa Ciao tank PVC improv lid open

1978 Ciao tank
PVC improv lid

Close up of PVC lid made from a 1-1/4" PVC threaded cap sliced in half

M40x2 female PVC lid
made from a 1-1/4″
PVC threaded cap
sliced in half

15. screw-on not vented AMF Roadmaster (R eng)

14b screw-on int. 40×2
not vented $15
AMF Roadmaster with McCulloch rear engine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

16a. screw-on fem 40x2 L is white PVC improv R is aluminum original

screw-on internal 40×2
L is white PVC improv
R is aluminum original

16a. screw-on fem 40x2 PVC 1-1/4" cap is 38.5 ID fits 40x2 well, by luck!

screw-on internal 40×2
PVC 1-1/4″ cap is 38.5 ID
fits 40×2 well, by luck!

14c screw-on 40×2 internal $32 cnc aluminum

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1978 Vespa Bravo tank screw-in female M40x2

1978 Vespa Bravo
screw-on M40x2 internal

1968 Lambretino
screw-on M40x2 internal

37. screw-on M40x1.75 white, for MB Model 7

14e screw-on 40×1.75 external thread $35
white, for MB Model 7

40. screw in male 40x2

14f screw-on M40x2 external $25

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


15. Screw-on 42mm

22. screw-in female 42x1.5 Garelli Super Sport these shrink

15a screw-on 42×1.5 int.  $55
Garelli (not shrunk 40.5 id)

Garelli Super Sport tank screw-in (female lid) M42 x 1.5 thread

Garelli Super Sport screw-on
internal thread (female) lid
M42 x 1.5 thread

 Early Garelli Super Sport mopeds had this 42mm screw-on gas cap, while later models had 30mm quarter-turn gas caps. The M42x1.5 external threads on the tank measure 41.5mm. The M42x1,5 internal threads on the cap measure 40.5mm. Many of these shrink with age, unless they are kept in a sealed plastic bag. Then the internal diameter decreases from 40.5 to 40.0 or less, and the cap screws on tightly or only partially.

 

 

Garelli Super Sport screw-in (female lid)

Garelli Super Sport

53. screw-on M42x1.5 with vent close switch orig on Italjet Packaway

15b screw-on 42×1.5 internal thread  N/A with vent close switch ’77-79 Italjet Packaway

Concord XKE M42 x 1.5
41.6 mm at thread tops

These gas lids are not shrunk because they were kept in a plastic bag for 40 years. Others that are shrunk are offered at half price. Those were exposed to the air for 40 years.

Almost all moped gas caps are vented. Some have a vent switch. When you transport the bike laying on it’s side, gasoline drips out of the air vent hole in the gas cap. With a vent switch you can close the vent hole during transport or storage, and open it during regular use. 

 

 

 

 


16. Screw-on 50mm

42. screw on female M50x1.5 for Demm Smily and Italian

16a M50-1.5 internal   N/A
“FILL ONCE S.A.E. OIL 30
FOR EACH QT OF GAS”

M50-1.5 int. 48.5 id
for Demm & Wards

Wards Riverside

Demm Smily

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

16b M50-2.0 internal   N/A
1980-88 Vespa Si
(bigger than Ciao)

1980-88 Vespa Si

This cap 16b has the 50mm thread tops on the tank, like 16a and 16c, but the pitch is in between those two.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

16c M50-2.5 internal  N/A
original on 1965 H.D. M50

1965 Harley Davidson M50 tank (Aermacchi) screw-on fem M50x1.5

1965 Harley Davidson M50 tank (Aermacchi)
M50-2.5 int.thread lid

This cap 16c looks similar to 16a, but threads are coarser. The ridges on top are evenly spaced, but on 16a they are in pairs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


17. Screw-on “bottle-cap” thread 45, 55 mm

1962? Sears Allstate tank screw-on female gas lid very coarse thread

1962? Sears Allstate tank
45mm bottle-cap gas lid

A Blitz gas can lid fits Sears Allstate tank.
A Sears Allstate gas cap fits Blitz gas can.

The 1956-65 Allstate Mo-Ped tank has bottle-cap type threads, not machine-type. The inside of the gas tank neck is 34.4.  The thread diameter is 44.6.  Each thread is 4.0 mm wide.

 

 

The 1961-66 Allstate Compact scooter also has this gas cap, as do most late-50’s and 60’s Puch mopeds and scooters.

1981 Medallion

’80 Columbia Medallion

 

The 1980-81 Columbia Medallion (top tank model) has a molded plastic tank like a gas can. The thread diameter is 54.7 mm (2.16 inch), for a 55 mm bottle-cap type screw-on gas lid.

 

 

 

 


18. Pop-up gas caps

3. pop-up clamp-on

18a pop-up clamp-on
for 45mm OD tank $22
Pacer Sport (Italtelai)
Baretta 22,44 (Piccoli)
Westwind (Spisni Lino)

18b pop-up locking chrome
for General, Lazer top tank
with 2 keys, none available

18b keys 719 and 459 (copy) $7 each

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


19. Information and Explanation

 

More gas caps, not for sale,  for your information:

55. screw-on 40mm coarse for modern ATV

60. screw-on 40mm
very coarse thread
for modern ATV

56. screw-on 50mm very coarse thread for modern ATV

61. screw-on 50mm
very coarse thread
for modern ATV

57. screw-on 50mm very coarse thread for modern ATV

62. screw-on 50mm
very coarse thread
for modern ATV

Modern ATV Gas Caps

Modern ATV Lids

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gas caps come in 4 types. 1. Quarter turn, 2. Push in, 3. Screw on, 4. Pop up. Each type has different sizes.

Quarter turn gas lids on mopeds. L to R, 30, 40, 60mm

30 and 40mm quarter turn “regular wing”, 40mm quarter turn “external wing”. Many other quarter turn wing styles are possible. Two other moped styles are nick named “thin wing” and “wide wing”.

Quarter turn has two “wings” on opposite sides that enter two slots in the gas tank lip. Then when the gas cap is rotated 90 degrees to the right, which is one fourth of a turn, it locks on and seals the outer edge by the spring tension in the wings. The spring has a certain amount of “travel” that allows the lid to work (seal) on a range of gas tank lip thicknesses, or as the rubber or cork gasket gets thin. But sometimes a thicker rubber washer is needed to get the wings to push harder and seal better. In the 30mm size an extra 2mm thick rubber is sold here, but not for 40mm, at this time.

Push in lid gas tanks have a smooth round wall, about as deep as it is wide. The lids are usually black plastic with thin flexible circular ridges that press against the wall. The entrance has a taper for easy operation. In the 1977 USA moped standards, push in gas lids were supposedly required to be quarter turn. Puch, Cimatti, Garelli, and Sachs switched from push-in to quarter-turn but not everyone else did. Again in 2010, quarter turn gas caps are mandated in the USA, this time not for safety reasons, but for environmental ones.

 

Myrons Mopeds Gas Caps, June 2013 Back row: Quarter turn L to R 27,30,40,60mm Front row: Push-in, Screw-on, and Pop-up

Myrons Mopeds Gas Caps, Class of 2013, click to enlarge.
Back row: Quarter turn L to R 27,30,40,40 mm external
Front row: Push-in 30,32,36,40, Screw-on, Misc and Pop-up

Screw on lid gas tanks have threads. The lid must be screwed on one or more full turns clockwise. The threads on the lid can be either female (internal) or male (external). Most modern screw on lids are more like bottle cap threads, more coarse than machine threads. Also the tops and bottoms of the threads have wide plateaus. Some are at right, not listed.

Pop up gas lids are generally on top tank mopeds and modern motorcycles. Turn the key or push the button and the lid pops open.

Vent Hole: All moped gas caps are “vented”. That means they have a tiny pinhole or channel that lets air get in or out. If the pinhole is blocked, after awhile a suction will develop, the gasoline supply will stop, especially with a full tank. They all have a vent design that prevents gasoline from shooting out, like a wall or a maze, but lets air get through. Some gas caps have a vent switch, “on” or open for riding, “off” or closed for transport and storage. All vented gas lids will leak gas if the tank is too full or leaned over too far.

Shrinkage: Unless they have been kept stored in an air tight bag, many of the vintage moped plastic gas caps shrink after 20 or 40 years. The Peugeot and Colombia black plastic push-in 30mm lids become 29 or 28mm. The 32mm late Derbi black plastic push-in lid becomes 30mm. The Garelli 42mm screw-on black plastic lid becomes 41 or 40. When a push in lid shrinks, it gets loose and falls off. One remedy for that is a “leash” made out of a twist tie. Another remedy is a thin rubber o-ring, but it’s hard to find the correct size. With push-in gas caps, the actual diameter will be slightly more, about 0.5 millimeter, than the tank hole inner diameter, to make a light press fit. So a 30mm lid should be 30.5mm wide, a 40 should be 40.5. With screw on male lids there can be shrinkage and the lid will still function, because it does not seal on the loose threads. But when a female (internal thread) screw-on lid gets smaller, it becomes tight and difficult or impossible to screw on.

 


Speedometer Parts

September 10, 2012

updated 2021-09

Contents (Families):
  

1.   CEV
M
11-0.75↑  M10-1.0↓ threads
square holes 2.0↑ 2.0↓ 
on Cimatti, Vespa (some), others

square holes 1.82.0  on some Italian mopeds
square holes 2.02.7  on some Italian motorcycles

2.  Tomos
M11-0.75↑  M10-1.00↓ threads
square holes 2.0↑ 1.8↓  on ’74-02 Tomos
M10-1.00↑  M10-1.00↓ threads
square holes 1.8↑ 1.8↓  on ’03-18 Tomos
M10-1.00↑  M12-1.00↓ threads
square holes 1.8↑ 2.7↓  on ’05-09 Tomos Arrow

3.  VDO
M10-1.00↑  M10-1.00↓ threads
square holes 1.8↑ 1.8↓  on Puch, others
square holes 2.0↑ 1.8↓  on ’86-89 Derbi Variant Sport

4.  Huret
M10-1.00↑  M10-1.00↓ threads
square holes 2.7↑ 2.7↓ on Garelli, Motobecane, others
square holes 2.0↑ 2.0↓ on some Italian mopeds

5.  Veglia
M11-0.75↑  M10-1.00↓ threads

square holes 2.0↑ 2.0↓  on Baretta, Malaguti, others
M11-0.75↑  screw-on↓ threads
square holes 2.7↑ 2.7↓  on Vespa (some), others
M11-0.75↑  press-on↓ threads

square holes 2.0↑ 2.0↓ special on Peugeot 102, 103

6.  Walker
M10-1.00↑  press-on↓ threads
square holes 1.8↑ 1.8↓
 
on ’75-86 Derbi Variant

7.  Jawa
M10-1.00↑  M10-1.00↓ threads
square holes 2.2↑ 2.2↓ 
on ’73-83 Jawa 207

8.  Tatung on General, Indian, others

9.  Nippon Seiki on Honda NC50, PA50

10 Stewart Warner on AMF (some)

11 Service Info

 

Speedometers on vintage mopeds are all mechanical type, not electronic. A driver or sender on the front wheel rotates the cable. The cable, with a spinning wire inside, goes up to the speedometer head. Inside the gauge a spinning magnet moves the needle. An odometer or mileage meter is also driven by the cable, with gears.  

Speedo families are heads, cables and drivers that have certain things in common. The head and driver threads are the same. The head and driver square cable holes are the same. So heads, cables and drivers within the same family all interchange. 

Square cable holes are a little bigger than square cable ends. A 2.0mm hole takes a 1.85 to 1.95mm cable, and a 2.75mm hole takes a 2.55 to 2.70mm cable. This is a source of confusion. 

Speedo drivers: On the front wheel is small gear box that changes the wheel rotation into the cable rotation. 

Speedo driver Side means what side of the front wheel would make the driver rotate the cable clockwise, viewed from above. Reversing the side by flipping the front wheel reverses the speedo cable rotation.

Speedo driver Type: Most drivers have the cable exiting below the axle. Most left side drivers are type d because they look like a letter “d”. Most right side ones are type b because they resemble letter “b”. But some type d’s are for right side, and some type b’s are for left. This is because the worm gear teeth can be wound left or right, like a left or right hand thread bolt.

Speedo driver Ratio means how many times the cable rotates for each wheel rotation. Larger diameter tires require higher driver ratios to achieve the same cable rotation. Smaller tires require lower ratios. The gear ratio is related to the angle of the gear teeth as well as the tooth counts.

Speedo cables can be different lengths for the same bike. Aiming the speedo driver more upward requires a shorter cable. Aiming the driver more downward requires a longer cable. When the front suspension goes over bumps, the speedo cable has to flex up and down. Aiming the driver 90 degrees to the suspension travel makes the least stress on the cable and the least interference with the suspension movement. Most newer bikes are that way. But then the cable hangs out a lot, and requires a fender eyelet to help prevent the long cable from getting snagged on things when parking or maneuvering.

 

 

 


1. CEV

 

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  1.8   2.0   1.75  1.95  CEV-1.8/2.0
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   2.0   1.95  1.95  CEV-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   2.75  1.95  2.60  CEV-2.0/2.7

CEV 2.0/2.0 and CEV-1.8/2.0 speedo families are on US models of Italian mopeds, Baretta (some), 80’s Cosmo (some), Bianchi (some), Gadabout, Italvelo (some), Intramotor Gloria, Malaguti (some), Motobecane Sebring, Motobee, Motomarina, Motron (some), Negrini (some), Rizzato, Safari, Snark (some), Testi (some), Vespa Grande (some), West Wind, Yankee Peddler, and some non-Italian mopeds, Carabela, KTM Foxi.

CEV-2.0/2.7 speedo family is on some Italian scooters, mini-cycles and motorcycles. 

 


1a. CEV Speedometers

CEV 60mm speedos, 0 to 40 mph, with 2.0mm cable hole

Speed testing: They are all tested on the same drill, for comparison of speed accuracy. The odometer accuracy never varies – it either works or not. It takes up to 3 minutes at 20mph to click off one mile. Each speedometer is tested for at least 3 minutes, some over 10 minutes all together. Once all of the 17 tested speeds are retested and verified, an average speed can be calculated. First the highest and lowest are ignored. Then the remaining 15 test speeds are added up and the sum is divided by 15 to give 23.8 average. You can see that most of the speedos tested at 23, 24, or 25 mph. The accuracy is an important factor in determining the price. The condition of the glass, face, and needle are also important. 

CEV-2.0/2.0 60mm round speedometers: 15 out of 17 were originally frozen. They have all been cleaned, checked, and lubed, and tested. 

 #  dia. miles price tested
 #  mm miles price speed  error   odometer     glass/face
  2  60 00003 $25  10.0  -13.8   odo works, speedo reads very low
  3  60 00002 $75  22.5    -1.3   odo works, new, perfect glass
  4  60 00009 $25  21.0    -2.8   odo frozen, only speedo works
  5  60 01063 $75  25.0   +1.2   odo works, used, good “glass”
  6  60 00002 $65  25.0   +1.2   odo works, new, tiny scratches
10  48 00002 n/a  23.5    -0.3   odo works, mini type
12  60 00002 $75  23.5    -0.3   odo works, new in original box
13  60 00002 $75  24.0   +0.2   odo works, new in original box
14  60 00001 $55  20.5    -3.3   odo works, new in original box
15  60 05183 $65  25.0   +1.2   odo works, has a small smudge
16  60 00995 $65  25.0   +1.2   odo works, slightly cloudy
17  60 00084 $80  27.0   +3.2   odo works, very good “glass”

 

Vespa Grande came with three different 60mm speedos, CEV blue #307252, Veglia black #307168, and CEV black #307872.

 


1b. CEV Speedo Drivers

Rinvio per contachilometri CEV 7408

CEV speedo drivers come in a wide range of styles, sizes, and ratios, perhaps 100 kinds. Here are only about half of them, the ones with small axle holes, mostly 11 or 12 mm, for lightweight motorcycles, mini-cycles and mopeds.

CEV speedo driver part numbers in the 1960’s and 70’s all had a 4-digit number starting with 7. They were sequential, here starting at 7121. Most older ones (lower part numbers) had higher ratios for larger tires 18 and 19 inch. But only the last 3 digits were stamped on the driver, at the brass end cap. After the mid 1980’s the 3-digit stamped-on numbers replaced 4-digit numbers. So a CEV 7416 is the same as a CEV 416. But some changed, like the CEV 7408 with an 11 mm axle hole became the CEV 408 with a 12 mm axle hole.

’82 MMI catalog

Grease zerk or cap: CEV drivers in the 1960’s, 70’s and early 80’s all had grease zerks for applying grease with a grease gun, up to number 7429. The 1982 Marina Mobili Parts Catalog and 1985 price list contain 9 CEV drivers from 7121 to 7429 for mopeds, mini-cycles and lightweight motorcycles. Some time after that, in the late 1980’s or 90’s, starting with number 7430, the zerk was discontinued, replaced at first by a small non-removable cap, and then a large removable grease cap. With that you just push the grease in with your finger tip. That was the most visible thing that changed. Some versions also got thinner. Here we use the older 4-digit numbers for the older grease zerk versions, and the newer 3-digit numbers for the newer grease cap versions. 

Right or left: The cable must rotate clockwise, looking down from the speedometer. So for each side of the bike there are right or left types. It happens that CEV worm gear drives are all wound in the same direction, like a normal bolt. There are no reverse threads inside. So the shape of the speedo driver determines what side of the bike it goes on. Ones that resemble a “d” go on the left, and “b” ones go on right. This is true for CEV speedo drivers, but not all other makes.

1. driver with grease zerk
2. grease cap permanent
3. grease cap removable

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ID# Index: look up the ratio, then scroll down to it
CEV 001 1.4   003 1.7   004 1.7   011 1.4   012 1.6   013 1.7
CEV 121 1.8   221 1.8   238 1.9   240 0.9   252 1.5   278 1.2
CEV 287 1.3   288 1.1   289 1.6   296 1.7   303 1.7
CEV 324 1.7   337 1.2   341 0.9   358 1.9   373 1.8   375 1.9
CEV 402 1.3   403 1.8   408 1.6   416 1.6   419 1.3
CEV 421 1.8   422 1.6   428 1.7   429 1.8 
CEV 430 1.8   442 2.1   456 1.6   486 1.7
CEV 508 1.9   536 1.8   543 1.3

CEV#: 4-digit has grease zerk, 3-digit has grease cap, 2-digit has none
CEV# color:
violet is from the ’82 MMI catalog (Marina Mobili Inc). 

ratio color: black is from ’82 MMI, green is measured, gray is guessed


xx#  axle ratio mar  side/ cable   
xx#  hole ratio mark type hole depth price


7341   11  0.9  341   R b  2.0  07.5  $47
for OD 11.2  3.00-5
.

7240   12  0.9  240   L d  2.0  07.5  none
for OD 11.2  3.00-5
.

7xxx   12  0.9  xxx   L d  2.0  20.6  none
for OD 11.2  3.00-5
Benelli CB1160/B  ’69-73 Buzzer (3.00-5)


7xxx   10  1.0  xxx   R b  2.0  03.7  none
for OD 12.4  3.50-5, 4.00-5, 3.00-7
Di Blasi 172  ’74-79 R2 (3.50-5)
1979-1997 Di Blasi R7 had Huret

xxx  0 10  1.0  xxx   L d  2.7  03.7  none
for OD 12.4  4.00-5, 3.00-7, 2.50-8
Di Blasi 2343  ’97-on R7E (4.00-5)


7xxx   12  1.1  xxx   R b  2.7  00.0  none  
for OD 13.7  3.50-7 
Benelli CB2157  ’71-72 Hurricane (3.50-7)
maybe ’70-72 Fantic Broncco TX6 (3.50-7)


7278   12  1.2  278   R b  2.7  20.6  none
for OD 14.9  3.50-8, 2.75-9 or 2.50-10
Benelli K55/B  ’69-71 Hornet (2.75-9)
’67-72 Dynamo Compact (3.50-8)

7337   12  1.2  337   R b  2.7  22.0  $47
for OD 14.9  3.50-8, 2.75-9 or 2.50-10

.


7287   11  1.3  287   R b  2.0  03.7  none
for OD 16.2  3.00-10 or 3.50-10
.

7288   12  1.3  288   R b  2.0  06.8  none  
for OD 16.2  3.00-10 or 3.50-10

’68-70 Garelli Broncco TC4, TS4 (3.00-10)

7402   11  1.3  402   R b  2.0  03.7  none  
for OD 16.2  3.00-10 or 3.50-10

.

7419   11  1.3  419   L d  2.0  03.7 none
for OD 16.2  3.00-10 or 3.50-10
.

435   12  1.3  435   L d  0.0  03.7  none
for OD 16.2   3.00-10 or 3.50-10
Derbi 0E01620051 ’87-89 DS50

543     11  1.3  543  L d  2.0  03.7 none
for OD 16.2  3.00-10 or 3.50-10
.

7xxx   12  1.3  xxx   R b  2.7  03.7none
for OD 16.2  3.00-10
Benelli K104 ’70-73 Dynamo Trail, II


7252   12  1.5  252   R b  2.7  00.0  none   
for OD 18.7  2.50-14

Benelli G716 ’71-73 Mini Enduro


7422   10  1.6  422   0 0  2.0  00.0  none  
for OD 19.9  2.00-16 or 2.25-16
.

012 0  12  1.6 16:10 L d  2.0  04.5  $29
plastic India-made for Tomos ’74-’18 most
Tomos 209650 but takes a non-Tomos cable

7289   11  1.6  289   L d  2.0  03.7   none   
for OD 19.9  2.00-16 or 2.25-16
’78-80 Rizzato Califfo 16″

7416   12  1.6  416   R b  2.0  03.7  $49
for OD 19.9  2.00-16 or 2.25-16

.

456     12  1.6  456  L d  2.0  05.3  $47
for OD 19.9  2.00-16 or 2.25-16
.


013 0  12  1.7 17:10 R b  2.0  04.5  $27
plastic India-made for Tomos ’02-13 Rev, Sm
Tomos 232801 but takes a non-Tomos cable

7428   11  1.7  428   R b  2.0  00.0  none  
for OD 21.1  2.50-16, 2.25-17 or 2.50-17
.

7296   11  1.7  296   L d  2.0  00.0  none   
for OD 21.1  2.50-16, 2.25-17 or 2.50-17
MMI J103 Motron 16″, Sebring 17″

7303   11  1.7  303   R b  2.0  07.5  $49
for OD 21.1 2.50-16, 2.25-17 or 2.50-17
shield lip on finger ring and outer step

7324   11  1.7  324   L d  2.0  03.7  $49
for OD 21.1  2.50-16, 2.25-17 or 2.50-17
Cimatti C3540 shield lip on finger ring

486   12  1.7  486   L d  1.8  03.7  none
for OD 21.1  2.50-16, 2.25-17 or 2.50-17
Derbi 0A01650021 ’87-89 Variant Sport

004     12  1.7  none  R b  2.7  12.8  $39
for OD 21.1  2.50-16, 2.25-17 or 2.50-17
58556 93-12 Aprilia Scarabeo 50-100


7121   11  1.8  121   L d  2.0  03.7  none
for OD 22.4  2.25-18 or 2.00-19
.

7373   11  1.8  373   R b  2.0  03.7 none
for OD 22.4  2.25-18 or 2.00-19
.

7221   11  1.8  221   L d  2.0  03.7  none   
for OD 22.4  2.25-18 or 2.00-19
wide shield lip on finger ring

430     11  1.8  430   L d  2.0  07.5 none
for OD 22.4  2.25-18 or 2.00-19
.

7429   12  1.8  429   R b  2.0  03.7  none  
for OD 22.4  2.25-18 or 2.00-19
.

7421   12  1.8  421   R b  2.0  07.6  none
for OD 22.4  2.25-18 or 2.00-19
.

536     12  1.8  536  R b  2.7  03.7   none
for OD 22.4  2.25-18 or 2.00-19
.

7xxx    12  1.8  xxx   R b
for OD 22.4  2.25-18 or 2.00-19
Benelli SD489/A Fireball 50


7358   9.7 1.9  358   R/L  2.0  03.7 none
for OD 23.6  2.25-19, 2.75-18 or 2.50-19
reversible right or left

7403   12  1.9  403   R b  2.7  22.0  $47
for OD 23.6  2.25-19, 2.75-18 or 2.50-19
.

7375   12  1.9  375   R b  2.0  03.7 none
for OD 23.6  2.25-19, 2.75-18 or 2.50-19
conduit screws on directly, no end cap

508     15  1.9  508  L d  2.7  23.5  $47
for OD 23.6  2.25-19, 2.75-18 or 2.50-19
.

7238   15  1.9  238   R b  2.7  00.0  none   
for OD 23.6  2.25-19, 2.75-18 or 2.50-19

Benelli M92/2 Riverside 125, Cobra 125 


442     12  2.1  442   L d  2.0  03.7 none
for OD 26.1  2.50-21 or bicycle 26 x 2.0

ultra-light off-road like a Derbi RD50


 

 

Tomos speedo drivers: In mid-2008 Tomos in Slovenia began outsourcing most production to India. Components also changed to India-made, such as the speedo driver. The part number did not change, but the square cable hole grew from 1.8 to 2.0 mm. This caused the square cable to slip often. The simple no-cost remedy is to smash the square 1.7 x 1.7 end of the cable into a rectangle 1.9 x 1.5. 

Gear ratios: Several known tire sizes and gear ratios were used to calculate all others. First the tire outer diameter (OD) for a 1.6 ratio was guessed. Then all the other tire OD’s were calculated from that. The guess was revised, tire OD’s recalculated and compared. This was repeated, to finally match the known values.

Tire size: These vintage tires all have a 100% profile. The height is 100% of the width. So a 2.25-17 tire has an outer diameter of 17 + 2.25 + 2.25 = 21.5 inch. A 2.75-16 also has that same OD. Different tire sizes can have the same outer diameter.

 gear  for     Tire sizes for CEV gear ratios
ratio  OD    tire size OD    tire size OD    tire size OD
0.9  11.2  0.00-11 00.1  3.00 - 5 11.0
1.0  12.4  3.50 - 5 12.0  2.50 - 7 12.0  4.00 - 5 13.0
1.1  13.7  3.00 - 7 13.0  2.50 - 8 13.0  3.50 - 7 14.0
1.2  14.9  2.75 - 9 14.5  3.50 - 8 15.0  2.75-10 15.5
1.2  14.9  3.50 - 8 15.0  2.50-10 15.0
1.3  16.2  3.00-10 16.0  3.25-10 16.5
1.4  17.4  2.50-12 17.0  2.75-12 17.5  3.00-12 18.0
1.5  18.7  2.25-14 18.5  2.50-14 19.0
1.6  19.9  2.75-14 19.5  2.00-16 20.0  2.25-16 20.5
1.7  21.1  0.00-11 00.1  2.50-16 21.0  2.75-16 21.5
1.7  21.1  0.00-11 00.1  2.00-17 21.0  2.25-17 21.5
1.8  22.4  3.00-16 22.0  2.75-17 22.5 
2.50-18 23.0
1.8  22.4  2.50-17 22.0  2.25-18 22.5  2.00-19 23.0
1.9  23.6  2.75-18 23.5  2.25-19 23.5  2.50-19 24.0
2.0  24.9  0.00-11 00.1  3.00-19 25.0
2.1  26.1  2.50-21 26.0  0000  26 x 2.0 bicycle 26.0

 


1c. CEV Speedo Cables

CEV-Pagani transmissioni per contachilometri

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  1.8   2.0   1.75  1.95  CEV-1.8/2.0
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   2.0   1.95  1.95  CEV-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   1.8   1.95  1.75  CEV-2.0/1.8-Tomos
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   2.7   1.95  2.65  CEV-2.0/2.7

 

CEV# Tomos# conduit   lower end  upper end  price  CEV-1.8/2.0
1100/575
  575 = 22.6″ 1.80-1.90  1.60-1.65  $47.0 low speedo

CEV# Tomos# conduit   lower end  upper end  price  CEV-2.0/2.0
Repro C 0  750 = 29.5″ 1.94-1.98  1.90  rect. $32.0 Repro C
=Repro 1 with rectangle end
7804/575  575 = 22.6″ 1.85-1.90  1.90-1.95  $39.0 Cimatti C3530
7804/600  600 = 23.6″ 1.85-1.90  1.90-1.95  $44.0 low speedo
7804/650  650 = 25.6″ 1.85-1.90  1.90-1.95  $42.0 ’80 Motron 0010B
7804/650   wire only     1.85-1.90  1.90-1.95  $17.
7804/700  700 = 27.6″ 1.85-1.90  1.90-1.95 none   original
7804/750  750 = 29.5″ 1.85-1.90  1.90-1.95  $46.0 ’78-79 Motron 0010
7804/800  800 = 31.5″ 1.85-1.90  1.90-1.95  $42.0 original
307253 /0 000 = 00.0″ 1.85-1.90  1.90-1.95 none   Vespa Grande with blinkers

CEV#   Tomos# conduit lower end  upper end  price  CEV-2.0/1.8 Tomos ’74-02
Repro CT 00000    750 1.70-1.75  1.95-2.00  $26.0 Repro CT =Repro 1 with wire inverted,
Repro CT 00000   750 1.70-1.75  1.95-2.00  $00.0 c-clip added under upper conduit lip
Repro 1 00 0000   750 1.90-1.95  1.67-1.70  $15.0 Repro 1 wrong wire ends
Repro 1 00 0000   750 1.94-1.98  1.70-1.75  $18.0 Repro 1 wrong wire ends
Repro 2 00 0000   750 1.75-1.80  1.88-2.00  $15.0 Repro 2 wrong upper thread
Repro 2 00 0000   750 1.75-1.80  1.88-2.00  none  but wire fits 214.837 with some filing

7812/600 213.232 600 1.73-1.77  1.88-1.98  none  ’74-76 low speedo
7812/700 213.729 700 1.73-1.77  1.88-1.98  none  ’77-79 high speedo
7812/750 214.837 750 1.73-1.77  1.88-1.98  $42.0 ’80-91 more bend?
7812/750 227.698 750 1.73-1.77  1.88-1.98  none  ’92-97
7812/750 213.729 750 1.75-1.78  1.83-1.85  $44.0 ’98-02 (’03-on had VDO)

CEV#   Tomos# conduit lower end  upper end  price  CEV-2.0/2.7
78??/500000.000 500 2.60-2.65  1.88-1.98  $37.0 unknown application

 

 

 

 


2.  Tomos

 

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   1.8   1.95  1.75  CEV-2.0/1.8-Tomos
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  2.0   1.8   1.95  1.75  VDO-2.0/1.8

M10-1.00  M12-1.00  2.0   2.75  1.95  2.60  VDO 2.0/2.7-M12

 

 

 

 

Tomos Speedometers

Tomos Speedos on US models 1974 to 2017
Left: 1,2,3,4 CEV-type, Right: 5,6,7,8 VDO-type

Tomos 1974-02 CEV-type 40 mph M11-0.75 threads
# Tomos#   years   models    face   cable   bulb  volt/watt  made by
1. 213233  1974-79  all Rev  dk blu 2.00  9 bayon.  6V 1.2w CEV
2. 214838  1980-87  all Rev  black  2.00  5 wedge  6V 1.2w CEV
3. 222006  1987-91  all Rev  black  2.00  5 wedge 12V 1.2w CEV-Tomos
4. 227496  1992-02  all Rev  black  0.00  5 wedge 12V 1.2w Facomsa
Tomos 2002-17 VDO-type 40 mph M10-1.00 threads
5. 232803  2003-05  all Rev  white  0.00  7 bayon. 12V 1.2w MMB
6. 232803  2009-10  Revival  white  0.00  5 wedge 12V 1.2w F- logo
7. 232803  2005-08  all Rev  white  0.00  7 bayon. 12V 1.2w generic
8. 232803  2008-17  all Rev  white  0.00  7 bayon. 12V 1.2w Alpha

These Tomos speedometers all read in mph. The odometers all read in miles, except #6 which reads in kilometers.

None of these are for sale. They are shown for identification and for reference. For 1, 2, 3, 4 replacements, see 1a. CEV Speedos. For 5, 6, 7, 8 replacements see 2a. VDO Speedos. 

 

 

Tomos Speedo Drivers


001     12  1.4 14:10 R b  2.7  15.0  $49
for OD 17.4  2.75-12 or 3.00-12
Tomos 236328 for Arrow, M12-1.0 thread

011 0  12  1.4 14:10 R b  2.7  15.0  none
plastic India-made for Tomos Arrow ’05-09
Tomos 236328 for Arrow, M12-1.0 thread


7408   11  1.6  408   L d  1.8  03.7  55-45
for OD 19.9  2.00-16 or 2.25-16
Tomos 209650 for ’74-06 (11mm axle ends)

408     12  1.6 16:10 L d  1.8  03.3  $49
for OD 19.9  2.00-16 or 2.25-16
Tomos 230631 for ’07-’18 (12mm axle ends)

012 0  12  1.6 16:10 L d  2.0  04.5  $29
plastic India-made for Tomos ’74-’18 most
Tomos 209650 but takes a non-Tomos cable


003     12  1.7 17:10 R b  1.8  03.3  55-40
for OD 21.1  2.50-16, 2.25-17 or 2.50-17
Tomos 232801 for ’02-13 Revival, Streetmate

013 0  12  1.7 17:10 R b  2.0  04.5  $27
plastic India-made for Tomos ’02-13 Rev, Sm
Tomos 232801 but takes a non-Tomos cable


 

 

 

 

 

 


3. VDO

 

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  1.8   1.8   1.75  1.75  VDO-1.8/1.8
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  2.0   1.8   1.95  1.75  VDO-2.0/1.8

VDO-1.8/1.8 speedo family is on US models of Batavus, Columbia, Hercules, Kreidler, Murray, Odyssey, Puch, Sachs, Sears Free Spirit, Solo, Sparta.

VDO-2.0/1.8 speedo family is on US-model Derbi Variant Sport 1986-89. The speedometer is CEV late-80’s square.

 


3a. VDO Speedometers

VDO 60mm speedos on US model Puch mopeds

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


3b. VDO Speedo Drivers

Metal Drivers (made up to 4/1978) Plastic Drivers (made from 4/1978 on)
mark   price axle ratio  mar side/ cable

markings 00 price axle ratio type hole  open with 1 finger

21 LH 027/1  none 12.7 1.7  L d  1.8  Columbia  dates 11/77
17 LH 29/54  none 12.7 1.7  L d  1.8  Columbia  dates
00 LV 06/63   $52.0 11  1.7  L b  1.8  unknown  dates 4/77
00 LV 28/18   $55.0 11  1.7  L b  1.8  unknown  dates 11/79
16 LH 29/26  $55.0 11  1.6  L d  1.8  unknown  dates 6/78

markings 00 price axle ratio type hole  open with 2 prongs

21 LH 06/70  $52.0 11  1.7  L d  1.8  KTM 1009-050-000  dates 11/76
17 LH 29/24  $55.0 
11  1.7  L d  1.8  unknown  dates 4/80
21 LH 06/61  $55.0 
11  1.8  L d  1.8  unknown  dates 1/77 7/71
21LHRH17/17$60.0 11  1.6LRdb1.8  Batavus 42.138 dates 2/77 3/78
16 LH 032/1  none  11  1.6LRdb1.8  Batavus 42.365 dates 4/78

markings 00 price axle ratio type hole  shielded with 2 prongs

17 LH 31/17  $65.0 11  1.7  L d  1.8  Hercules  dates 4/78 11/79
21 RV 023/1  $52.0 11  1.7
  R d  1.8  Puch  dates 5/77  7/77 10/77 4/78 12/78
00 RH   23/4  none  11  1.7  R b  1.8  Puch  date 5/78 (79 Magnum)

17 RV 031/5  none  11  1.7  R d  1.8  Puch  dates 7/78 8/78
23 LH 023/5  $52.0 11  1.6  L d  1.8  Sparta 06008 dates 11/74 12/76 7/77 4/78
markings 00 price axle ratio type hole  aftermarket with 2 prongs

AE-88 00000 $20.0 12  1.7  R b  1.8  Puch greased, photo below, sold “as is”

Markings: The brass end caps on VDO speedo drivers are marked with the tire or rim that they are geared for. 1970’s metal drivers are marked with the tire outer diameter (23, 22, 21, 20). 1980’s plastic drivers are marked with the rim size (19, 18, 17, 16). The tire OD’s are 4 inches more than the rim sizes, because moped tires are about 2 inches tall.

Batch marking: The marking that looks like a gear ratio is not. It’s some kind of batch number.

Tire marking: On some (21LH 6/61 and 23LH 23/5) the tire size marking disagrees with the measured gear ratio. 

Gear ratio: The red colored ratios are from direct measurement. Black colored ratios are inferred.

Side: Most (10 of 14) VDO speedo drivers are for the left side. Some (2 of 14) are for right side. Some (2 of 14) are for left or right side. On those the cable can attach in two places with opposite rotation. 

AE-88 driver, greased by a modified syringe

Greasing: The 70’s metal VDO speedo drivers had a grease zerk, but the 80’s plastic ones did not. One way to grease them without a grease gun or zerk is with spray chain lube. It penetrates in thin and then soon becomes thick. Another way is with a 5cc syringe and a 10-1.00 x 15 tall nut (for a Peugeot moped flywheel).

 

 

 

 


3c. VDO Speedo Cables

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  1.8   1.8   1.75  1.75  VDO-1.8/1.8
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  2.0   1.8   1.95  1.75  VDO-2.0/1.8

 

conduit 00  lower end  upper end  price   VDO-1.8/1.8
570=22.4″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $17.0 silver original
570=22.4″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  28-17 42.137 0000   Batavus VA, HS50
590=23.2″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  28-17 black original

630=24.8″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  28-17328.153.0250 Puch Maxi original
625=24.6″ 1.70-1.75  1.70-1.75  none  MP-3150 000  80’s Taiwan
640=25.2″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $28.0 black original
700=27.6″ 1.70-1.75  1.70-1.75  $20.0 MP-3154 000  80’s Taiwan
750=29.5″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $20.0 UN12006  000 Magnum XK, Sears FS red
750=29.5″
1.65-1.70  1.65-1.70  $18.0 D. PuchVDO    2010’s replacement

790=31.1″ 1.70-1.75  1.70-1.75  none  A. 217.664 00 Tomos ’03-on, Magnum MkII
790=31.1″ 1.70-1.75  1.70-1.75  $22.0 B. MP-3152 0  ground to 3.3, Sears FS silver
790=31.1″
1.80-1.85  1.80-1.85  $22.0 C. evenbetter  ground to 3.3, ends 1.75
830=32.7″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $25.0 27.78.9600    Kreidler (longer than necessary)
850=33.5″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $20.0 UN12017  00x  modern replacement
conduit 00  lower end  upper end  price   VDO-2.0/1.8
780=30.7″ 1.75-1.79  1.90-1.95  $29.0 0A0.165.0021 Derbi Variant Sport ’86-89

 

A. 790 217664      2010’s Tomos,   white area needs grinding 4.0 to 3.3
B. 790 MP-3152    ’80’s Gadabout, driver end needs grinding 4.0 to 3.3
C. 790 evenbetter ’20’s replacement, needs grinding 4.0⇒3.3, 1.82⇒1.75
D. 750 PuchVDO  ’10’s replacement, ends 1.65-1.70
E. 750 PuchVDO  ’10’s replacement, ends 1.50-1.60 (too small)

 

 


4. Huret

 

00 head M   driver   head  driver
thread M thread    hole  hole
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  2.0  2.75  Huret-2.0/2.7

M10-1.00  M10-1.00 2.75 2.75  Huret-2.7/2.7

Huret-2.7/2.7 speedo family is on US models of Arciero, Bianchi (some), Demm (some), Garelli, Gitane, Motobecane, Negrini (some), Pacer, Snark (some), Velomec.
The speedometers in this family have a white face.

Huret-2.0/2.7 speedo family is on some US model mopeds but not many.
The speedometers in this family have a black face.

 


4a. Huret Speedometers

1. Huret-2.7 Motobecane, 2. Huret-2.7 60mm round MMI #H125F for Garelli. 3. Huret-2.0 60mm round, 4. Huret-2.7 48mm round

 

 

 

Good-used Huret-2.7 Motobecane speedos, unfrozen, lubed, and tested.

Long term testing: These were unfroze with acetone and re-lubricated with Tri-Flow. Then they sat on a parts shelf for four years in zip-lock bags. After that long, none had become stuck/frozen.

Huret-2.7 Motobecane speedometers: The cover is glass, so it resists scratching. Repeated exposure to sunlight fades the white background to yellow and the blue numbers to white. When the numbers are faded out the needle is still red, so speed can be estimated, like telling time on a clock with no numbers.

# price  miles   all are working normally unless noted 
$80  1780  excellent condition, works good
$70  5261  dark numbers, works good
$45  2024  barely visible numbers, works good

$40  7365  invisible numbers, works good
$35  5337  completely invisible numbers, works good

 


Good-used Huret-2.7 60 mm speedos, unfrozen, lubed, and tested.

Speed Testing: A hand drill was set to spin at a constant speed (by a stop screw in the trigger). Each speedo was spun for 30-50 seconds. The final speed was recorded.

Huret-2.7 60mm round speedometers: The test speeds all agreed quite well. These have great dampening, no jumping unless noted. The clear cover is glass, not plastic. So it does not get dull or scratched.

# price  miles   all are working normally unless noted 
$60  2291  test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$50  1827  test speed 22, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$65  1036  test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$25  1535  test speed 21,  jumps around sometimes
$35  2750  test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$55  7332  test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$70  0538  test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$45  4720  test speed 20, needle moves nice, not jumpy

 


4b. Huret Speedo drivers

markings price axle side type depth   2.7 hole, 1 finger
20″ D 1.6 $42.0 11    L    d   7.0  506361.7381
16 or 17 
Garelli dates 1780 with stepped axle spacers

20″ D 1.6 $48.0 11    L    d   6.0  507252.7381
2.25-16  Garelli dates
2877 0478 with stepped spacers

20″ D 1.6 $35.0 11    L    d   3.2  H127F 00000
16 or 17  spoke  dates 2877  fits Motobecane 2-finger

23″ D 1.8 $42.0 11    L    d   3.2  H127/2K
2.50-19  Negrini KPN  dates 1075

markings price axle side type depth   2.7 hole, 2 prong
20″ D 1.6 $59.0 11    R    b   3.2  H127FM  000
2.25-16  mag wheel  dates 1780

markings price axle side type depth   2.7 hole, 2 finger
23″ D 1.8 none  11    L    d   4.0  17360 00000
2.25-17  Motobecane 40, 50 dates 4176 1577 1777 2578 2778

20″ D 1.6 $49.0 11    L    d   4.0  01494 00000
2.00-16  Motobecane Model 7

 

Greasing with a modified syringe

Preparation: All of these Huret drivers were initially frozen, tarry on the inside. Some were also tarry on the outside. Scroll down for the detailed procedure for unfreezing, cleaning and lubing. All of those listed for sale have been serviced and are ready for use.

Reversible: Most of these Huret speedo drivers are reversible. They can be used on either side of the bike, because the cable can attach to either end, resulting in opposite rotation. Most are on the left side. All have to rotate the cable clockwise, viewed from above the speedometer.

 

 


4c. Huret Speedo cables

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M10-1.00 M10-1.00  2.0   2.75    1.9   2.6   Huret-2.0/2.7
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 2.75  2.75    2.6   2.6   Huret-2.7/2.7

0 part# 000   conduit   lower end  upper end  price  Huret 2.7/2.7
UN12018 00  570 22.4″ 2.56-2.63  2.56-2.63 none silver modern replacement
502951.7386 570 22.4″ 2.65-2.72  2.65-2.72 none black orig on Garelli early 70’s
18222 00000 570 22.4″ 2.52-2.55  2.52-2.55  $42  silver orig on Motobecane 50, 40, 7
191 0000000  575 22.6″ 2.60-2.65  2.60-2.65  $27  black modern replacement
H-126FB 000 575 23.6″ 2.60-2.65  2.60-2.65 none 80’s Taiwan 600 total
506961.7386 620 24.4″ 2.65-2.72  2.65-2.72  
$39  black orig on Garelli (some)
H-126AF 00  695 27.4″ 2.60-2.65  2.60-2.65  $40   80’s Taiwan 720 total
507607.7386 720 28.4″ 2.65-2.72  2.65-2.72 none black orig on Garelli (most) 

UN12191 00  810 31.9″ 2.55-2.60  2.55-2.60  $48  black orig on Avanti

0 part# 000   conduit   lower end  upper end  price  Huret-2.0/2.7
31 0460 444  570 22.4″ 2.55-2.60  1.78-1.82  $35  black orig, 1.8-to-2.6 adapter
31 0460 444  570 22.4″ 1.78-1.82  1.78-1.82  $20  same but missing lower adapter
H-126AF 000 695 27.4″ 2.43-2.48  1.80-1.85  $30   80’s Taiwan 720 total, wire inverted

 


5. Veglia

 

00 head M   driver   head  driver
thread M thread    hole  hole
M11-0.75
  M10-1.00 2.75 2.75  Veglia-2.7/2.7

M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   2.0   Veglia-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   2.0   Veglia-2.0/2.0-Peugeot recessed

Veglia-2.7/2.7 and Veglia-2.0/2.7 speedo families are on US model mopeds, Baretta (some), Benelli, Concord, 80’s Cosmo (some), Demm (some), Fantic (some), Malaguti (some), Moto Guzzi, Motron (some), Testi (some) and Vespa-Piaggio (some).

Veglia-2.0/2.0-Peugeot speedo family is on Peugeot 102, 103. 

 


5a. Veglia Speedometers

1. Veglia-2.  diam  Veglia# 0 part#      on US-model mopeds:
1. Veglia-2.7  60  61-47541  307168  ’78-83 Vespa Grande (no blinkers)
2. Veglia-2.7  60  61-00000  183314  ’79-85 Vespa Si
3. Veglia-2.7  48  61-47282  155587  ’74-80 Vespa Ciao, Bravo
4. Veglia-2.0  60  61-47531  1200M   ’77-80 Baretta, Malaguti
5. Veglia-2.0  48  61-47551  000000  ?

 

 

 

Veglia-Peugeot Speedometers

Veglia-Peugeot speedometer 60mm #56315

 

 


5b. Veglia Speedo drivers

Vespa#  Veglia#  price  hole axle ratio side type conduit screws in
114744  50-1024  $33  2.75  11  1.73  R   d  2.00-17 Vespa Ciao spoke
114744  50-1024  $34  2.75  11  1.73  R   d  2.50-16 Vespa Si 4-ray mag
141303  50-1210  $52  2.75  11  1.64  R   d  2.25-16 Vespa Bravo
306937  50-1224  $55  2.75  12  1.73  L    b  2.50-17 Vespa Grande spoke
307300  50-1222  $45  2.75  12  1.73  R   b  2.50-17 Vespa Grande x-mag
MMI#    Veglia#  price  hole axle ratio side type conduit screws in
1202M   50-1026  $57  2.00  11  1.64  L    d  2.25-16 Baretta, Malaguti
Peugeot#  eglia# price  hole axle ratio side type conduit slides on
46709    00-0000  $23  2.00  11  1.73  R   d  2.25-17 Peugeot
Derbi#   Veglia#  price  hole axle ratio side type conduit slides on
00000    80-7550  $40  2.00  12 
1.73  R   d  2.50-17 Derbi ’76-86

Ratio: Some Veglia drivers are marked with the gear teeth ratio, 18/11 = 1.64 or 19/11 = 1.73.

 


5c. Veglia Speedo Cables

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M11-0.75 M00-1.00 2.75 2.75  2.60  2.60  Veglia-2.7/2.7

M11-0.75 M00-1.00  2.0   2.0   1.95  1.95  Veglia-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75 M00-1.00  2.0   2.0   1.95  1.95  Veglia-2.0/2.0-Peugeot recessed 

 

Vespa#  0  conduit 0  lower end  upper end  price  Veglia-2/7/2.7
114745    000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65  2.55-2.65   none  Ciao C7N  $16 for 114746 wire only
158135    000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65  2.55-2.65   $34.0 C7E, C7V  $16 for 097755 wire only
213466    000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65  2.55-2.65   none  Ciao P,PX  N/A for 213467 wire only
162125    000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65  2.55-2.65   $34.0 Bravo xxx $16 for 162126 wire only
307192    000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65  2.55-2.65   $30.0 Grande (no blinkers)
MMI#
  0  conduit 0  lower end  upper end  price  Veglia-2.0/2.0
1201M      650=25.6″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   $45.0 80’s MMI
1201M  0  670=26.4″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   $49.0 Baretta, Malaguti

1201AM    720=28.3″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   none  80’s MMI
1201BM    790=31.0″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   
none  80’s MMI 
Peugeot# conduit 0  lower end  upper end  price  Veglia-2.0/2.0 Peugeot
52732  0  655=25.8″ 1.93-1.97  1.93-1.97   $24.0 original Peugeot 102, 103
60562  0  690=27.2″ 1.93-1.97  1.93-1.97   none  Peugeot 103SP, TSM (longer)
02860  0  710=28.5″ 1.87-1.90  1.72-1.74   $18.0 modern replacement (725 total)

 

 


6. Walker

 

00 head M   driver   head  driver
thread M thread    hole  hole
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  1.8   1.8   Walker

VDO-Derbi (Walker 60mm) speedometers with Veglia-Derbi drivers are on Derbi mopeds 1974-85.

 


6a. VDO-Derbi Speedometers (Walker)

Derbi speedometers are made in Spain by Walker, under license by VDO. 

VDO-Derbi #000.501.6010 on all US models 1976-85

#  miles   price  condition
1   10447  $60.0 new cond test=16.5mph, worked good  flat rim original on TT
2   01953  $70.0 new cond  test=16.0mph, worked good flat rim original on TT
3   05565  $30.0 fair cond  test=16.0mph, worked good
4   03702  $30.0 fair cond  test=17.0mph, worked good
5   01944  none  good cond  test=17.0mph, worked good
6   00038  $80.0 new cond  test=16.5mph, worked good
7   00001  $90.0 new cond  test=17.0mph, worked good
8   00124  none  new cond  test=16.5mph, worked good
9   00933  $55.0 good cond  test=17.5mph, worked good shown with rubber visor ring
10 04376  $35.0 fair cond  test=16.0mph, worked good
11 16748  $15.0 bad needle  test=18.0mph, worked good shown with rubber visor ring
12 00000  $10.0 000.821.6830 rubber visor ring (optional)

 


6b. Veglia-Derbi Speedo drivers

 

 


6c. Derbi Speedo cables

0 MMI#  000.0000  conduit 0  lower end  upper end  price  Derbi
0A0.163.0021 00  780 = 30.7″ 1.75-1.79  1.90-1.95  $47.0 Derbi Variant ’75-86
0A0.164.0021 00  800 = 31.5″ 1.75-1.79  1.90-1.95  none  Derbi C5, RD50 

 

Derbi SL, SLE, TT speedometer cables: Many Derbi speedometer cables have a kink below the speedometer that causes the inner wire to break repeatedly. The kink is from the back of the “pancake” headlight pushing the speedo cable back. There is no easy remedy. As with any speedometer cable, any kink or sudden change in direction will eventually cause the inner cable wire to break there, because as it rotates it is being bent back and forth.    

 

 


7. Jawa

 

00 head M   driver   head  driver
thread M thread    hole  hole
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  2.25  2.25  Jawa

Jawa speedometers are on 1973-83 Jawa 207 (Babetta) mopeds.

7a. Jawa Speedometers

Jawa #14002, 48mm

 

 

7b. Jawa Speedo drivers

 

 

 

7c. Jawa Speedo cables

0 part# 00 conduit 0 lower end  upper end  price  Jawa
07-4780   495=19.5″ 2.05-2.15  2.05-2.15  $18  silver Jawa 207 original

 

 


8. Tatung

 

Tatung speedometers are on US models of 1970’s-80’s Taiwan-made mopeds, Clinton, General, Grycner, Jui Li, Indian, others and 1970’s Taiwan-made motorcycles, Indian, and Korean-made Trac.

 

 


9. Nippon Seiki

 

 

Nippon Seiki speedometers are on Honda NC50, PA50 and others.

 

 


10. Stewart Warner

 

Stewart Warner speedometer is on Murray mopeds, mounted inside a Peterson bullet-type headlight.

 


11. Service Info

 

Basic troubleshooting: Either the speedometer or odometer can work without the other, but the both need the cable and driver to be working. So if both speed and miles don’t work, it’s usually caused by a broken or slipping cable, and sometimes a broken or slipping driver. If either the speed or miles works, then then both the cable and driver must be good.

Stuck solid (frozen): Old speedometers become frozen where the cable enters. The grease there becomes sticky after many years. That causes the cable to break, or sometimes the driver. That is the main reason why 35 year old mopeds often have broken speedo cables. The other reason is the cable gets kinked. Speedometer drivers also become frozen after many years.

Unfreezing speedometers is done with drops of acetone and a modified allen wrench with a square end. Once the cable square hole can turn, it takes days or weeks and dozens of repeated applications of penetrating oil and rotation on a drill, before all of the stickiness is gone. If any stickiness is left behind, it can re-freeze a year later.

Unfreezing drivers: See below for the detailed procedure that involves soaking in acetone.

Greasing drivers: Most 70’s metal speedo drivers had a grease zerk, but most 80’s plastic ones did not. One way to grease them without a grease gun or zerk is with spray chain lube. It penetrates in thin and then soon becomes thick. Another way is with a 5cc syringe and a 10-1.00 x 15 tall nut (for a Peugeot moped flywheel).

modified syringe greaser

 

 

 


11a. Speedometer Tools

A. Acetone in a drip bottle with thin spout, for dissolving tar. Acetone is a powerful solvent that dissolves ink, tar, and paint. It penetrates into soft materials like rubber and vinyl, causing them to swell, distort, and become weaker. Lacquer thinner and MEK are similar to acetone. 

B. Tri Flow drip lubricant, for applying drops of oil. It contains banana oil and microscopic Teflon spheres.

C. 1.7mm cable end bent. This is for counting revolutions when measuring gear ratio on 1.8-hole drivers.

D. 1.9mm cable end straight. This is for spinning 2.0-hole speedos on a drill.

E. Modified allen wrench, ground to a 1.9mm square on the small end. This is for applying torque to a stuck 2.0-hole speedo, and for rotating back and forth once it is able to move, or around and around if it’s able to move in circles.

F. Tapered square end shaft, for spinning 2.7-hole speedos with a drill.

G. Modified allen wrench, ground to a 2.6mm square on the small end. This is for applying torque to a stuck 2.7-hole speedo, and for rotating back and forth once it is able to move, or around and around if it’s able to move in circles.

H. Small screwdriver for rotating 2.7-hole speedos.

I. Greaser made from a 5 cc syringe and a M10-1.0 x 15 hex15 tall-thin nut (for a Peugeot flywheel). It was pure luck that the nut threaded tightly onto the smooth, tapered plastic spout. Of course, this is only for M10-1.0 thread speedo drivers, which fortunately is the majority.

 


11b. Unfreezing Huret speedo drivers

1970’s Huret speedometers and drivers become frozen (stuck solid) after 40 years. Other kinds do also but not as much. Even new speedos and driver become frozen, because the Huret grease decomposes into hard sticky tar. Out of a sample of 30 new and 10 used 70’s Huret speedo drivers, all were frozen solid.  

Speedo drivers soaking in acetone

Ten frozen Huret speedo drivers were soaked in acetone in this sealed glass jar. After 17 hours they were removed and tested. 8 out of 10 were able to move, but 2 were still stuck solid. Those 2 were re-soaked with a new batch of frozen ones.

Acetone breaks down hard insoluble tar that is like taffy, and makes it less sticky and more soluble in diesel fuel or gasoline. When first removed from a day of soaking in acetone, the tar would ooze out like warm peanut butter when compressed air was applied to the cable hole. But after 20 minutes, that same peanut butter re-solidified, as the acetone evaporated out of it. So they need to go into the diesel fuel bath right after the acetone bath, rather than drying out first. They also need rotation to spread the solvent to all areas, like stirring.

The 8 unfroze drivers were then soaked in diesel fuel along with 7 others that did not need an acetone bath. The diesel fuel dissolves the loosened tar visible on the outside, as well as some soluble tar on the inside. After 2 days of soaking, 11 out of 15 moved freely, but 4 were still sticky. Those 4 were returned to the acetone bath pickle jar. The rest were brushed, cleaned and then blow dried with compressed air. 

While waiting to be greased, 1 of the 11 drivers refroze and 2 became sticky, as acetone evaporated from the grease inside. Those 3 were returned to the pickle jar of acetone.

Greasing with a modified syringe

The remaining 8 clean and free drivers were greased with a modified syringe, made from a 5 cc syringe and a 10-1.00 x 15 tall nut (for a Peugeot moped flywheel). Each driver took 0.2 to 0.6 cc of lithium grease. The syringe has to be squeezed really hard with both hands. The grease goes in slowly. The gears are rotated in between squeezes to spread out the grease. Soon the old black grease and solvent oozes out from the thin gaps, like on the left driver in the above photo. The feel goes from gritty to greasy as the new grease pushes out solvent and grit.  

The last step was straitening the fingers as needed, with a needle-nose pliers.

17 stuck drivers became 8 ready to use drivers. For the other 9 the entire process was repeated, as many times as necessary. This is how new and used 1970’s Huret (and others) speedo drivers are refurbished in preparation for sale.