JC Penney Cables
JC Penney Pinto and Swinger (late 1970’s) moped cables are displayed and offered in Puch Cables.
JC Penney start cable 42.5 x 31.9″
(1080 x 810 mm) with special stop piece
JC Penney start cable stop piece
JC Penney Cables
November 29, 2020Honda Cables
November 29, 2020
Honda moped cables have many versions and differences. This is an illustrated spec sheet and price list combined. Showing what all the lengths and specs are allows substitutes to be found or replacements to be made or modified.
1977-79 Honda NC50 Express
These 1977-79 silver cables interchange with 1980 black ones.
17910-147-030 throttle cable silver none
57.0″ goes inside frame, PA08B, no cable pipe
17910-147-030r replacement gray $35
14950-147-020 choke cable silver none
56.3″ goes inside frame, orig. had grommet
14950-147-020r replacement gray $23
45450-190-670 front brake cable sil none
42.4″ total length
45450-190-670r replacement gray none
43450-147-712 rear brake & start sil none
57.4″ goes inside frame, 57.4″ total
43450-147-712r replacement gray none
1980 Honda NC50 Express
These 1980 black cables interchange with 1977-79 silver ones.
17910-147-650 throttle cable black none
57.0″ goes inside frame, PA08B, no cable pipe
17910-147-650r replacement black $35
14950-147-650 choke cable black none
56.3″ goes inside frame, orig. had grommet
14950-147-650r replacement black $23
45450-190-671 front brk cable blk none
42.4″ total length
45450-190-671r replacement black none
43450-147-970 rear brk & start blk none
57.4″ new# 43450-147-651
43450-147-970r replacement black none
1981 Honda NC50 Express
For 1981 the wind-up start was changed to direct kick start, so the rear brake cable no longer had to operate the starter. Also the unregulated oil injection pump became regulated by a split throttle cable.
17910-191-850 throttle cable A blk none
48.0″ goes inside frame, to splitter, not carb
17910-191-850r replacement black $36
17911-191-010 throttle cable B blk none
13″ rotary splitter with 2 cables, to oil pump
and to PA15A carb with cable pipe
Et=2.4″, Eo=?, Ct=?, Co=?
17911-191-010r replacement black none
45450-190-671 front brk cable blk none
42.4″ total, same as 1980
45450-190-671r replacement black none
43450-191-405 rear brake cable blk none
57.4″, inside frame, no more wind-up start
43450-191-405r replacement black none
1982-83 Honda NC50 Express
17910-GA6-670 throttle cable black none
57.5″ goes outside frame, 1-into-2 cables
to PA13B carburetor with long cable pipe
E=?, Et=?, Ct=?
17910-GA6-670r replacement black none
45450-187-672 front brk cable blk none
42.4″ total, longer rubber boot
45450-GA6-670r replacement black none
43450-GA6-670 rear brk cable blk none
57.4″ total, goes inside frame
43450-GA6-670r replacement black none
1979-80 Honda NA50 Express II
17910-163-000 throttle cable silver none
60.1″ goes outside frame, also 17910-162-010
to PA08C or PA08D carb, no cable pipe
17910-163-000r replacement gray $35
17910-163-770r replacement black $35
14950-163-010 choke cable silver none
58.8″ goes outside frame, also 14950-162-010
14950-163-010r replacement gray $23
45450-193-670 front brk cable silv none
45.4″ can be 42.4″ routed more directly
45450-193-670r replacement gray none
43450-163-670 rear brk & start silv none
60.4″ outside frame, new# 43450-163-671
43450-163-670r replacement gray none
1981 Honda NA50 Express II
17910-193-671 throttle cable silver none
goes outside frame, 1-into-2 cables
to PA16A carb with cable pipe
60.0″ E+Ct+Et=60″, E+Co+Eo=57″
17910-193-671r replacement gray none
45450-193-670 front brk cable silv none
45.4″ total, can be 42.4″ with NC50 routing
45450-193-670r replacement gray none
43450-193-670 rear brk cable silv none
60.4″ total
43450-193-670r replacement gray none
1982-83 Honda NU50 Urban Express
17910-GC1-000 throttle cable silver none
51″?? outside frame, 1-into-2 cables
to PA13E carburetor with cable pipe
17910-GC1-000r replacement gray none
45450-GC1-000 front brk cable silv none
52.0″ total, rod type
45450-GC1-000r replacement gray none
43450-GC1-000 rear brk cable silv none
67.0″, fits ’85-90 Spree but is 2″ longer
43450-GC1-000r replacement gray none
43450-GC1-020r replacement black none
1978-79 Honda PA50 Hobbit
The PA50 front brake cable angles more upward, like European mopeds, unlike NC50 and Japanese motorcycles. Because of the more direct routing, the cable is shorter.
The benefit of Japanese routing is no interaction with the suspension (going over bumps does not affect the braking), while the benefit of European routing is convenience, because the cable does not hang out and interfere or get damaged.
1
7910-148-671 throttle cable silver none
43.7″ = 4.0 + 39.7
17910-148-671r replacement gray $20
14950-148-010 start (decomp) silv none
32.75″ = 1.25 + 31.5
14950-148-010r replacement gray $13
34.4″ = 1.2 + 33.2 #HO12071
45450-148-670 front brk cable silv none
38.4″ = 3.6 + 34.8
45450-148-670r replacement gray none
43450-148-670 rear brk cable silv none
57.0″ = 2.0 + 2.4 + 52.6
43450-148-670r replacement gray $18
57.8″ = 2.1 + 2.4 + 53.3 #HO12106
1980-83 Honda PA50 Hobbit
The ’80-83 PA50 black handlebars are 2.1 inches taller than ’78-79 PA50 chrome handlebars. So all of the cables are 2.1 inches (53 mm) longer. These longer ’80-83 cables fit on a ’78-79 but have to bend forward against the side of the headlight.
17910-148-780 throttle cable black none
45.8″ = 4.0 + 41.8
17910-148-780r replacement black $19
45.8″ = 4.0 + 41.8 #9001343
14950-148-020B start-decomp blk none
35.5″ = 1.25 + 34.25
14950-148-020Br replacement black none
34.4″ = 1.2 + 33.2 #HO12072
45450-148-671 front brk cable blk none
40.5″ = 3.6 + 36.9
45450-148-671r replacement black none
43450-148-671B rear brk cable blk none
59.1″ = 2.0 + 2.4 + 54.7
43450-148-671Br replacement blk none
NC/NA50 comparison
FRONT BRAKE CABLE – length measurements, calculations and estimations
Treatland conduit length TC is “from top of metal cable end to the edge where the black housing plastic meets the threaded rod adjuster thing”. Myrons conduit length MC is defined by the illustration. So TC = MC – 0.9″
Treatland total length TT and Myrons total length are defined the same. So TT = MT.
Exposed length is calculated. TE = TT – TC and ME = MT – MC. So TE = MT – MC + 0.9 and TE = ME + 0.9″.
TC TT TE upper lower
MC MT ME
====================
00.0 00.0 0.00 ∅8 ∅8 45450-190-670 77-79 NC50 F brake silver
00.0 00.0 0.00 ∅8 ∅8 45450-190-671 80-81 NC50 F brake black
38.8 42.4 .3.6 measured
PA50 front cable fits
NC50 except for length
00.0 00.0 0.00 ∅8 ∅8 45450-193-670 79-81 NA50 F brake black
41.8? 45.4? 3.6 3″ longer cable (estimated)
36.5 42.25 5.75 ∅8 ∅8 45450-GA6-671 82-83 NC50 F brake black
38.8? 42.4? 3.6 longer rubber boot
47.0 52.0 5.00 ∅8 rod 45450-GC1-000 82-83 NU50 F brake silver
47.7? 52? 2.2+2.1? longer cable for longer fork
33.5 38.0 4.50 ∅8 ∅8 45450-148-670 78-79 PA50 F brake silver
33.5 38.0 4.50 ∅8 ∅8 45450-148-671 80-83 PA50 F brake black
34.8 38.4 3.6 measured – cable goes more straight down
REAR BRAKE CABLE – length measurements, calculations and estimations
TC TT TE upper lower
MC MT ME
====================
42.0 58.0 16.0 ∅8 rod 43450-147-712 77-79 NC50 R br/st silver
43.0 59.0 16.0 ∅8 rod 43450-147-651 80-80 NC50 R br/st black
44.0 58.5 14.5 ∅8 rod 43450-190-670 80-81 NC50 R brake silver
00.0 00.0 0.00 ∅8 rod 43450-191-405 81-81 NC50 R brake black
42.7 57.4 14.7 measured
00.0 00.0 0.00 ∅8 rod 43450-163-670 79-80 NA50 R br/st silver
46.0 61.0 15.0 ∅8 rod 43450-193-670 81-81 NA50 R brake silver
45.7? 60.4? 14.7? 3″ longer? than NC50, for longer frame
00.0 00.0 0.00 ∅8 rod 43450-GC1-000 82-83 NU50 R brk silver
60.0 67.0 7.0 ∅8 rod 43450-GC1-020 82-83 NU50 R brk black
61.1? 67? 5.9? 9.6″ longer? than NC50, cable stop is closer
00.0 00.0 0.00 ∅8 rod 43450-GA6-670 82-83 NC50 R brk black
51.5? 57.4? 5.9? same length? as NC50, cable stop is closer
53.0 57.0 4.0 ∅8 rod 43450-148-670 78-79 PA50 R brk silver
52.6? 57.0? 4.4?
00.0 00.0 0.00 ∅8 rod 43450-148-671B 80-83 PA50 R brk black
54.7? 59.1? 4.4?
Honda C100 Throttle Cable
Bianchi Cables
November 29, 20201976-79 Bianchi Snark with Minarelli engine
1977 Bianchi Snark Eagle, Minarelli V1 engine
Bianchi cables are single-ended like most Italian mopeds. The carb is center mount so the throttle cable is short.
Front brake 39 x 46″ $10
Rear brake 60 x 67″ $11
Start (clutch) 43 x 47+” $10
Throttle cable 34 x 40+” $11
1976-79 Bianchi with Morini MO-1 engine
The start cable is different but the other three are the same.
General and Lazer Cables
November 29, 2020
updated 2021-06
Contents:
A. Overview and Parts Manuals
B. Cables for Sale, listed by Application
C. Cables for Sale, listed by Cable Type
A. Overview and Parts Manuals
General cable sets: With General and General-compatible mopeds there are 36 possible cable sets, because there are 3 engine types (Sachs, Sachs-foot-brake, and Minarelli) times 2 control types (Lazer or General) times 3 hub sizes (80, 90 or 110 mm drum) times 2 brake switch types (in-cable or in-lever).
But on actual bikes there were 10 different cable sets, made out of 16 different original cables, and listed below.
General part numbers: The first 4 digits tell the cable version: 1150, 2150, 3150, 4150, 5150. These are from the manuals, condensed in the table below. The last 4 digits tell the cable application: 6284 choke, 6293 start, 6294 front brake, 6295 rear brake, 6296 throttle. These are in table header below.
General parts manuals: The parts manuals were inside the service manuals or were separate add-on lists. Cable part numbers are sourced from these 7 parts manuals or price lists.
1977
set 1
1978
set 1
1979
set 1
1978
set 5
1980
set 6
1981
set 2
1983 3,
7,8,9,10
Cables for General and General-compatible Mopeds
0 choke start front rear throttle drum controls
0 6284 cable brake brake cable drums left right
or 6295 6293 6294 6295 6296 drums 6282 6281 engine xxxx brand top tank step-thru
1. none 1150 1150 1150 1150 080 1150 1150 Minarelli ’77-79 Lazer Sport 50, Sport ST
1. none 1150 1150 1150 1150 080 1150 1150 Minarelli ’78-79 General 5 Star
1. none 1150 1150 1150 1150 080 1150 1150 Minarelli ’78-79 General 5 Star ST
1. none 1150 1150 1150 1150 080 1150 1150 Minarelli ’78-79 AMS Tahoe 50
2. none 3150 3150 3150 1150 080 3150 3150 Minarelli ’79-81 General 5 Star, C2, 5 Star ST
2. none 3150 3150 3150 1150 080 5150 5150 Minarelli ’82-83 General 5 Star, C2, 5 Star ST
3. none 3150 5150 5150 1150 090 3150 3150 Minarelli ’79-83 General Limited Edition
4. 2150 2150 1150 none 2150 080 1150 1150 Sachs foot ’77-78 Jui Li Honey 50
4. 2150 2150 1150 none 2150 080 1150 1150 Sachs foot ’77-78 Clinton 50-A
5. 4150 2150 1150 none 2150 080 2150 2150 Sachs foot ’79-80 Grycner models
5. 4150 2150 1150 none 2150 080 2150 2150 Sachs foot ’78-80 AMS Sierra 50
6. 4150 4150 1150 none 2150 080 4150 4150 Sachs foot ’79-80 General 5 Star ST
6. 4150 4150 1150 none 2150 080 4150 4150 Sachs foot ’78-80 Jui Li Honey 50
6. 4150 4150 1150 none 2150 080 4150 4150 Sachs foot ’78-80 Clinton 50-A
7. 4150 2150 3150 none 1151 080 5151 5151 Sachs foot ’80-83 General 5 Star ST
8. 4150 4150 3150 3150 1151 080 3150 4150 Sachs oof ’80-83 General 5 Star ST
8. 4150 4150 3150 3150 1151 080 5150 5151 Sachs oof ’80-83 General 5 Star made by Jui Li ↑
9. 4150 2150 1151 none 1151 110 4150 4150 Sachs foot ’80-85 AMS Sierra 50 by Her Chee ↓
9. 4150 2150 1151 none 1151 110 4150 4150 Sachs foot ’80-82 Sachs G4
10. 4150 4150 1151 3150 1151 110 3150 4150 Sachs oof ’80-85 AMS Tahoe 50
10. 4150 4150 1151 3150 1151 110 3150 4150 Sachs oof ’80-82 Foxi 47
10. 4150 4150 1151 3150 1151 110 3150 4150 Sachs oof ’80-83 General 5 Star ST
10. 4150 4150 1151 3150 1151 110 5150 5151 Sachs oof ’80-85 General 5 Star
10. 4150 4150 1151 3150 1151 110 3150 4150 Sachs oof ’80-85 AMS Tahoe Sport G1, G2
B. Cables for Sale, listed by Application
Sources: Part numbers are mostly from the parts manuals above. Some are guessed based on internet photos and measurements. Measurements are mostly from actual cables or calculated. Some are calculated from parts measurements.
Cable Set 1. 1977-79 Lazer Sport 50, Sport 50 ST
Cable Set 1. 1978-79 AMS Tahoe 50
Cable Set 1. made by Her Chee, with Minarelli V1 engine
Cable Set 1. 1978-79 General 5 Star, 5 Star ST
Cable Set 1. made by Jui Li, with Minarelli V1 engine
1977 Lazer Sport 50
1150 controls (black)
1977 Lazer Sport 50 ST
1150 controls (black)
1979 General 5 Star ST
1150 controls (silver)
Set 1 both hand brakes, 1150/1150 or 1150/1150 controls
1150-6282 left lever assy
1150-6287 left lever
1150-6285 start lever
1150-6281 right lever assy
1150-6297 throttle/switch
1150-6286 right lever
On Lazer-type controls the switches were separate from the controls.
Left control: No brake light switch hole. Left lever 1150-6287 and start lever 1150-6285 had 8.5 mm cable holes for 8.0 mm diameter barrel ends.
Right control: No brake light switch hole. Right lever 1150-6286 had a 8.5 cable hole for 8.0 cable end.
1150-6293 start cable Min/Laz none
42.3″ = 5.1 + 37.2 1 end ∅8 x 10
1150-6293r replacement black $12
1150-6294 front brake cable $27
40.2″ = 3.8 + 36.4 with switch
1150-6294u fr. brk. cable used $19
1150-6295 rear brake cable none
63.4″ = 2.1 + 3.8 + 57.5 with switch
1150-6295r replacement black $27
.
1150-6296 throttle cable $32
36.7″ = 3.7 + 29.5 + 3.5″
for Dellorto cable pipe 2c or 2cr
1150-6296r replacement black $27
Cable Set 2. 1979-83 General 5-Star or C2
Cable set 2: made by Jui Li, Minarelli V1 or C2 engine
1979 General 5 Star
1980 General 5 Star
’81 General 5 Star
’82 General 5 Star
’83 General 5 Star ST
’83 General C2
’85 General 5 Star
Set 2 both hand brakes, 3150/3150 (1979-81) or 5150/5150 (1982-85) controls
3150 and 5150
3150 and 5150
Left control 3150: Left lever 3150-6287. The plastic start lever 3150-6285 with mount 3150-6289 was below the control. Start cable end hole 6.5 mm for a 6.0 diameter barrel end.
Left control 5150: Left lever 5150-6287. The metal start lever 5150-6285 with mount 5150-6289 was below the control. Start cable end hole 6.5 mm for a 6.0 diameter barrel end.
Right control 3150: Right lever 3150-6286. Brake cable hole 8.5. No choke lever.
Right control 5150: Right lever 5150-6286. Brake cable hole 8.5. No choke lever.
3150-6293 start cable Min/Gen $13
42.3″ = 5.1 + 37.2 1 end ∅6 x 10
3150-6293r replacement black $12
3150-6294 front brake cable $34
40.2″ = 3.8 + 36.4 ∅6 conduit
3150-6294r replacement black none
.
3150-6295 rear brake cable $31
63.4″ = 2.1 + 3.8 + 57.5 ∅6 conduit
3150-6295r replacement black
.
315A-6295 1980’s aftermarket $25
63.9″ = 2.0 + 4.4 + 57.5 ∅7 conduit
315A-6295r replacement black
.
1150-6296 throttle cable $32
36.7″ = 3.7 + 29.5 + 3.5″
for Dellorto cable pipe 2c or 2cr
1150-6296r replacement black $27
Cable Set 3. 1979-83 General 5-Star Limited
Cable Set 3. made by Jui Li, with Minarelli V1 engine
1979 Limited Edition
1983 Limited Edition
’80 Limited Edition front wheel & brake
#2 is arm 5150-5084 &
pinch bolt 5150-5070
The Limited Edition has the same cables as the 5 Star, except the brake cables are 5150 one-ended type. A pinch bolt 5150-5070, Grimeca type P25, attaches the lower end to the brake arm 5150-5084.
Set 3 both hand brakes, 3150/3150 controls
3150-6282 left control
3150-6287 left lever
3150-6285 start lever
3150-6281 right control
3150-6286 right lever
On General-type controls the switches were built into the controls.
Left control: Left lever 3150-6287 had a 8.5 mm cable hole for a 8.0 mm diameter barrel end. The plastic start lever 3150-6285 was below the bar with mount 3150-6289. Cable end hole was 6.5 mm for a 6.0 diameter barrel end.
Right control: Right lever 3150-6286 had a 8.5 hole for a 8.0 cable. No choke lever.
3150-6293 start cable Min/Gen $13
42.3″ = 5.1 + 37.2 1 end ∅6 x 10
3150-6293r replacement black $12
5150-6294 front brake cable none
41.5″ = 5.0 + 36.5 1 end ∅8 x 10
5150-6294r replacement black $14
5150-6295 rear brake cable none
64.5″ = 7.0 + 57.5 1 end ∅8 x 10
5150-6295r replacement black $15
.
1150-6296 throttle cable $32
36.7″ = 3.7 + 29.5 + 3.5″
for Dellorto cable pipe 2c or 2cr
1150-6296r replacement black $27
Cable Set 4. 1977-78 Jui Li Honey 50
Cable Set 4. 1977-78 Clinton 50-A
Cable Set 4. 1979-80 Grycner Floozie, Palm Springs
Cable Set 4. made by Jui Li, with Sachs 505/1A engine with foot brake
1978 Jui Li Honey 50
1978 Clinton 50 A
Set 4 rear foot brake, 1150/1150 controls
1150-6281 right lever assy
1150-6297 throttle/switch
1150-6282 left lever assy
1150-6287 left lever
1150-6285 start lever
On Lazer-type controls the switches were separate from the controls.
Left control: No brake light switch hole. Left lever 2150-6287 and start lever 2150-6285 had 8.5 mm cable holes for 8.0 mm diameter barrel ends. The left lever was for start. The start lever was for choke.
Right control: No brake light switch hole. Right lever 2150-6286 had a 8.5 cable hole for 8.0 cable end.
2150-6284/6295 choke cable none
39.9″ = 2.5 + 36.4 ∅8
2150-6284r replacement black $15
2150-6293 start cable Sachs none
40.5″ = 1.1 + 37.6 + 1.8 1-ended ∅4.5-∅6
with upper pinch bolt P7b ∅7×11
2150-6293r replacement black $23
2150-6294 = 1150-6294 f. brk. $27
40.2″ = 3.8 + 36.4 with switch
2150-6294r replacement black
.
2150-6296 throttle cable $32
38.2″ = 4.4 + 30.3 + 3.5″
for Sachs-Bing long cable pipe
2150-6296r replacement black $28
Cable Set 5. 1977-78 AMS Sierra 50
Cable Set 5. 1979-80 Grycner Floozie, Palm Springs
Cable Set 5. made by Jui Li, with Sachs 505/1A engine with foot brake
1978 AMS Sierra 50 with 2150 controls
The left 2150 control has a 4150 lever.
1980 Grycner with 2150 controls
Set 5 rear foot brake, 2150/2150 small-hand controls
L, 2150-6281 right control small
R, 4150-6281 for comparison
L, 2150-6282 left control small
R, 4150-6282 for comparison
No threaded hole for brake light switch.
These photos show the 2150 brake levers are smaller than 3150, 4150 and 5150 ones, and pull the cable less. The levers do not interchange but the cables do. This design is for smaller hands.
The brake cable inner wire length required by the the 2150 controls is 3 mm less than on 3150, 4150, 5150 controls, but 4 to 5 mm more than on 1150 controls.
4150-6284/6295 choke cable $19
37.9″ = 1.5 + 36.4″ 1-ended
4150-6284r replacement black $13
2150-6293 start cable Sachs none
40.5″ = 1.1 + 37.6 + 1.8 1-ended ∅4.5-∅6
with upper pinch bolt P7b ∅7×11
2150-6293r replacement black $23
2150-6294 = 1150-6294 f. brk. $27
40.2″ = 3.8 + 36.4 with switch
2150-6294r replacement black
.
2150-6296 throttle cable $32
38.2″ = 4.4 + 30.3 + 3.5″
for Sachs-Bing long cable pipe
2150-6296r replacement black $28
Cable Set 6. 1979-80 General 5 Star ST
Cable Set 6. 1978-80 Jui Li Honey 50
Cable Set 6. 1978-80 Clinton 50-A
Cable Set 6. made by Jui Li, with Sachs 505/1A, 1B engine with foot-brake
1978 Jui Li Honey 50
4150/4150 controls
1978 Clinton 50-A
1980 Clinton 50-A
1980 Gen. 5 Star ST
505/1A foot brake
Set 6 rear foot brake, 4150/4150 controls
left control 4150-6282
right control 4150-6281
Left control: Has threaded hole for brake light switch. The left lever 4150-6287 was used as the start lever. It was made black to distinguish it from the right brake lever. A sticker says “start” and points to the black lever. Cable hole 8.5 mm for a 8.0 mm diameter barrel end.
Right control: Has threaded hole for brake light switch. Right lever 3150-6286 had a 8.5 cable hole for 8.0 cable end. Choke lever 4150-6270.
4150-6284/6295 choke cable $19
37.9″ = 1.5 + 36.4″ 1-ended
4150-6284r replacement black $13
2150-6293 start cable Sachs none
40.5″ = 1.1 + 37.6 + 1.8 1-ended ∅4.5-∅6
with upper pinch bolt P7b ∅7×11
2150-6293r replacement black $23
1150-6294 front brake cable $27
40.2″ = 3.8 + 36.4 with switch
1150-6294r replacement black
.
2150-6296 throttle cable $32
38.2″ = 4.4 + 30.3 + 3.5″
for Sachs-Bing long cable pipe
2150-6296r replacement black $28
.
215L-6296 1980’s aftermarket $32
40.7″ = 4.4 + 32.8 + 3.5″ 2.5″ longer
for Sachs-Bing long cable pipe
215L-6296r replacement black $28
Cable Set 7. 1980-83 General 5 Star ST
Cable Set 70. made by Jui Li, with Sachs 505/1A engine with foot brake
1983 General 5 Star ST
Set 7 rear foot brake, 5151/5151 controls
right control 5151-6281
left control 5151-6282
Left control: The start lever and mount were removed. Brake cable hole 8.5 mm for a 8.0 mm barrel end.
Right control: Brake cable 8.0 barrel end. Choke lever 2150-6287. Choke lever hole 6.5 mm for a 6.0 diameter barrel end.
4150-6284/6295 choke cable $19
37.9″ = 1.5 + 36.4″ 1-ended
4150-6284r replacement black $13
2150-6293 start cable Sachs none
40.5″ = 1.1 + 37.6 + 1.8 1-ended ∅4.5-∅6
with upper pinch bolt P7b ∅7×11
2150-6293r replacement black $23
3150-6294 front brake cable $34
40.2″ = 3.8 + 36.4 ∅6 conduit
3150-6294r replacement black none
.
1151-6296 throttle cable none
38.2″ = 4.0 + 30.7 + 3.5″
for Sachs-Bing short cable pipe
1151-6296r replacement black $27
Cable Set 8. 1980-83 General 5-Star ST
Cable Set 8. 1980-83 General 5 Star
Cable Set 8. made by Jui Li, with Sachs 505/1A engine
1980 General 5 Star ST
3150/4150 controls
1983 General 5 Star ST
3150/4150 controls
1981 General 5 Star
5150/5151 controls
Set 8 both hand brakes, 3150/4150 or 5150/5151 controls
3150 and 5150
4150 and 5151
Left control: The metal start lever 5150-6287 with mount 5150-6289 was below the control. Start cable end hole 6.5 mm for a 6.0 diameter barrel end. Brake cable hole 8.5 mm for a 8.0 mm barrel end.
Right control: Brake cable 8.0 barrel end. Choke lever 2150-6287. Choke lever hole 6.5 mm for a 6.0 diameter barrel end.
4150-6284/6295 choke cable $19
37.9″ = 1.5 + 36.4″ 1-ended
4150-6284r replacement black $13
4150-6293 start cable Sachs none
40.3″ = 1.1 + 37.4 + 1.8 1-ended ∅4.5-∅6
with upper pinch bolt P6c ∅5.5×10
4150-6293r replacement black $23
3150-6294 front brake cable $34
40.2″ = 3.8 + 36.4 ∅6 conduit
3150-6294r replacement black none
3150-6295 rear brake cable $31
63.4″ = 2.1 + 3.8 + 57.5 ∅7 conduit
3150-6295r replacement black
.
1151-6296 throttle cable none
38.2″ = 4.0 + 30.7 + 3.5″
for Sachs-Bing short cable pipe
1151-6296r replacement black $27
Cable Set 9. 1980-85 AMS Sierra 50
Cable Set 9. 1980-82 Sachs G4
Cable Set 9. made by Her Chee, with Sachs 505/1A, B or D engine
1981 Sachs G4, 505/1B foot brake
rod type F brake cable, 4150 controls
1981 Sachs G4
Sachs G4 rear foot brake
110 mm ID brake drum
3150 rear brake cable. left: 110 mm drum, right: 80 mm drum. They both use the same cable!
Here an Angel ∅80-left brake plate is shown, an exact mirror image of a General ∅80-right.
1984 AMS Sierra 50
505/1D foot brake
rod type F brake cable
’84 AMS Sierra 50
505/1D foot brake
rod type F brake cable
Set 9 rear foot brake, 4150/4150 control
left control 4150-6282
right control 4150-6281
4150-6284/6295 choke cable $19
37.9″ = 1.5 + 36.4″ 1-ended
4150-6284r replacement black $13
2150-6293 start cable Sachs none
40.5″ = 1.1 + 37.6 + 1.8 1-ended ∅4.5-∅6
with upper pinch bolt P7b ∅7×11
2150-6293r replacement black $23
1151-6294 front brake cable $30
44.2″ = 1.9 + 4.2+ 38.1 rod type
1151-6294r replacement black $27
3150-6295 rear brake cable $31
63.4″ = 2.1 + 3.8 + 57.5 ∅7 conduit
3150-6295r replacement black
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1151-6296 throttle cable none
38.2″ = 4.0 + 30.7 + 3.5″
for Sachs-Bing short cable pipe
1151-6296r replacement black $27
Cable Set 10. 1980-85 General 5 Star
Cable Set 10. 1980-85 AMS Tahoe 50, Tahoe Sport G1
Cable Set 10. made by Her Chee, with Sachs 505/1D engine
Cable Set 10. 1980-82 Foxi 47
Cable Set 10. 1980-83 General 5 Star ST
Cable Set 10. made by Her Chee, with Sachs 505/1A engine
1980 Foxi 47
3150/4150 controls
rod type F brake cable
1980 5 Star ST
3150/4150 controls
1983 General 5 Star
5150/5151 controls
1983 AMS Tahoe G2
rod type F brake cable
1983 5-Star (Her Chee), 5150/5151 controls
’84 AMS Tahoe Sport
3150/4150 controls
3150/4150 controls are on dual hand brake models with Sachs engines
1151 rod-type front brake cable is on big hub models made by Her Chee
Set 10 both hand brakes, 3150/4150 or 5150/5151 controls
3150 and 5150
4150 and 5151
Left control: The metal start lever 5150-6287 with mount 5150-6289 was below the control. Start cable end hole 6.5 mm for a 6.0 diameter barrel end. Brake cable hole 8.5 mm for a 8.0 mm barrel end.
Right control: Brake cable 8.0 barrel end. Choke lever 2150-6287. Choke lever hole 6.5 mm for a 6.0 diameter barrel end.
4150-6284/6295 choke cable $19
37.9″ = 1.5 + 36.4″ 1-ended
4150-6284r replacement black $13
4150-6293 start cable Sachs none
40.3″ = 1.1 + 37.4 + 1.8 1-ended ∅4.5-∅6
with upper pinch bolt P6c ∅5.5×10
4150-6293r replacement black $23
1151-6294 front brake cable $30
44.2″ = 1.9 + 4.2+ 38.1 rod type
1151-6294r replacement black $27
3150-6295 rear brake cable $31
63.4″ = 2.1 + 3.8 + 57.5 ∅7 conduit
3150-6295r replacement black none
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1151-6296 throttle cable none
38.2″ = 4.0 + 30.7 + 3.5″
for Sachs-Bing short cable pipe
1151-6296r replacement black $27
C. Cables for Sale, listed by type
General-Sachs cables compared to Hercules-Sachs and Columbia-Sachs:
Choke cables for 1970’s mopeds with Sachs 504 and 505 engines all have about a 36 to 38 inch conduits. Hercules is 37, Columbia is 38.4, General is 36.4.
Throttle cables for 1970’s mopeds with Sachs 504/505 engines all have 34 to 37 inch conduits. Hercules is 35, Columbia is 37, General is 34.2.
Start (clutch and decompression) cables for 1970’s mopeds with Sachs 504/505 engines all have 34 to 37 inch conduits. Hercules is 35, Columbia is 37, General is 34.5.
6284/6295 – Choke Cables
2150-6284/6295 choke cable none
39.9″ = 2.5 + 36.4 ∅8 1-ended
2150-6284r replacement black $15
4150-6284/6295 choke cable $19
37.9″ = 1.5 + 36.4″ 1-ended
4150-6284r replacement black $13
415B-6284 1980’s aftermarket $10
38.5″ = 1.4 + 37.1″ 0.6″ longer, 2-ended
USA made by Barnett, lined
cannot be installed, see below
415S-6284 1980’s aftermarket $15
34.4″ = 1.5 + 32.9″ 3.5″ shorter, 2-ended
Taiwan made, Shorter for low bars
cannot be installed, see below
The 2-ended aftermarket choke cables 415B-6284 and 415S-6284 cannot be installed because the inner wire must pass through a small hole in the air filter box.
Choke cables are about 2 inches longer than Sachs 504/505 throttle cables. Most of that difference is due to the throttle cable pipe length.
6293 – Start Cables
1150-6293 start cable Min/Laz none
42.3″ = 5.1 + 37.2 1 end ∅8 x 10
1150-6293r replacement black $12
2150-6293 start cable Sachs none
40.5″ = 1.1 + 37.6 + 1.8 1-ended ∅4.5-∅6
with upper pinch bolt P7b ∅7×11
2150-6293r replacement black $23
3150-6293 start cable Min/Gen $13
42.3″ = 5.1 + 37.2 1 end ∅6 x 10
3150-6293r replacement black $12
4150-6293 start cable Sachs none
40.3″ = 1.1 + 37.4 + 1.8 1-ended ∅4.5-∅6
with upper pinch bolt P6c ∅5.5×10
4150-6293r replacement black $23
The Sachs 504 and 505 engine start cable goes through a small hole in the engine case. It cannot be double-ended and ready-made because the lower end cannot fit though the small hole. So it is single-ended and must have the upper end installed last as a pinch bolt.
The lower cable end goes in a starter clutch arm with two different holes, 5.1 and 6.5 mm ID. So the cable end has to be 4.9 and 6.3 mm OD or less. Here the specification is 4.5 and 6.0 but it can be a little more or less.
6294 – Front Brake Cables
1150-6294 front brake cable $27
40.2″ = 3.8 + 36.4 with switch
1150-6294u fr. brk. cable used $19
1151-6294 front brake cable $30
44.2″ = 1.9 + 4.2+ 38.1 rod type
1151-6294r replacement black $27
2150-6294 = 1150-6294 $27
3150-6294 front brake cable $34
40.2″ = 3.8 + 36.4 ∅6 conduit
3150-6294r replacement black none
5150-6294 front brake cable none
41.5″ = 5.0 + 36.5 1 end ∅8 x 10
5150-6294r replacement black $14
6295 – Rear Brake Cables
1150-6295 rear brake cable none
63.4″ = 2.1 + 3.8 + 57.5 with switch
1150-6295r replacement black $27
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3150-6295 rear brake cable $31
63.4″ = 2.1 + 3.8 + 57.5 ∅7 conduit
3150-6295r replacement black none
.
315A-6295 1980’s aftermarket $25
63.9″ = 2.0 + 4.4 + 57.5 ∅6 conduit
315A-6295r replacement black none
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5150-6295 rear brake cable none
64.5″ = 7.0 + 57.5 1 end ∅8 x 10
5150-6295r replacement black $15
6296 – Throttle Cables
1150-6296 throttle cable $32
36.7″ = 3.7 + 29.5 + 3.5″
for Dellorto cable pipe 2c or 2cr
1150-6296r replacement black $27
.
1151-6296 throttle cable none
38.2″ = 4.0 + 30.7 + 3.5″
for Sachs-Bing short cable pipe
1151-6296r replacement black $27
.
2150-6296 throttle cable $32
38.2″ = 4.4 + 30.3 + 3.5″
for Sachs-Bing long cable pipe
2150-6296r replacement black $28
.
215L-6296 1980’s aftermarket $32
40.7″ = 4.4 + 32.8 + 3.5″ 2.5″ longer
for Sachs-Bing long cable pipe
215L-6296r replacement black $28
Dellorto cable pipes
Sachs-Bing cable pipes
These cables are for a specific length of cable pipe.
Left, Dellorto 2c or 2cr is required for 1150-6296.
Right, Sachs-Bing long is required for 2150-6296.
Right, Sachs-Bing short is required for 1151-6296.
Benelli Cables
November 29, 2020Cables for Benelli G2 and Blazer Mopeds
1. 1979 Benelli G2 (US model), 2. 1977 Benelli Blazer (US model of Export FA)
These both have PV controls, not Domino like the Euro versions have.
120 35.11.75.40 throttle cable CT1s, 33 x 47″ black $10 .
0 $10.0 70.09.30.10 G244/20 start cable 43 x 49″ black
a $1.00 48.80.18.70 UI7191 stop cap (step ferrule) F5C
b $6.00 48.80.25.70 G10 spring subst. 6.5-7.0 id x 60-75
c $2.00 48.80.24.70 M277 pinch bolt P8c
rear brake cable 58 x 64″ 1-ended mushroom
Cables for Benelli Mini Cycles
1971 Benelli Hurricane conduit lengths
front brake 32″
rear brake 48″
throttle 28″
start/clutch 32″
Hercules Cables
November 29, 2020Hercules Cables
Hercules mopeds are commonly known as Sachs in the USA. Here the true maker name Hercules is used to avoid confusion with Sachs engines, which are used on other brands, and to include other alias brands Eagle, Moppet, DKW, Pegasus, etc, made by Hercules.
Hercules choke short 1-ended 170.80.08
’80-83 Sachs Prima G3, low bars with 505 foot brake
1982 Bombardier Eagle III with Sachs 505 foot brake
33.4+ = 31.8 + 1.6+ with pinch bolt
replacement black $12
Hercules choke 1-ended 170.80.09
1970-77 Hercules M1, M2, P1 sheet frame, Sachs 504
1978-80 Sachs Westlake, Sundancer with Sachs 504
1973-77 Hercules M4, M5, P3 tube frame 505 foot brake
1978-80 Sachs Balboa, Suburban with 505 foot brake
1980-83 Sachs Seville, Prima with 505 foot brake
1982 Bombardier Eagle I, II with Sachs 505 foot brake
37.4+ = 35.8 + 1.6+ with pinch bolt
replacement black $12
Sachs start cables depend on what frame, what handlebar and what controls. All Sachs start (clutch-decomp) cables have to be single-ended because they must pass through a small 2.5 mm hole in the Sachs 504 or 505 engine case.
Sachs start (clutch) inner wire 1-ended WCS
47″ universal ’70-95 with Sachs 504 or 505 engine
replacement 1.5 mm $11
Hercules start short 1-ended 170.69.02
’79-83 Sachs Prima G3, low bars with 505 foot brake
1982 Bombardier Eagle III with Sachs 505 foot brake
34.4″ = 1.1+2.8+0.3+28.0+1.2+1.0
replacement black $21
Hercules start 1-ended 170.73.81
1970-77 Hercules M1, M2, P1 sheet frame, Sachs 504
1978-80 Sachs Westlake, Sundancer with Sachs 504
1973-77 Hercules M4, M5, P3 tube frame 505 foot brake
1978-80 Sachs Balboa, Suburban with 505 foot brake
1979-83 Sachs Seville, Prima with 505 foot brake
1982 Bombardier Eagle I, II with Sachs 505 foot brake
38.4″ = 1.1+2.8+0.3+32.0+1.2+1.0
replacement black $21
Many bikes do not have their original throttle cable pipe (aka elbow, bendy) since the carburetor or top parts can be from other models or a remake. So to avoid guessing, the cable pipe length, short or long, must be identified visually, to get the correct throttle cable.
Hercules A x 1-ended 170.72.92
most ’70-76 Herc. M1, M2, P1 sheet frame with 504
most ’73-76 Moppet P504 with Sachs 504
most ’73-76 Herc. M4, M5, P3 tube frame 505 ft brk
most ’74-76 Moppet P505 with Sachs 505 foot brake
40.0+ = 35.5 + 4.5 + 1.3 with pinch bolt
170.72.92r replacement black $12
40.0 = 35.5 + 4.5 for short cable pipe
170.72.92Ar 2-ended replacement $19
Hercules B x 1-ended 170.72.17
most ’77-83 Herc. M1, M2, P1 sheet frame with 504
most ’78-80 Sachs Westlake, Sundancer with 504
most ’77-83 Herc. M4, M5, P3 tube frame 505 ft brk
most ’78-80 Sachs Balboa, Suburban 505 foot brake
most ’79-83 Sachs Seville, Prima with 505 foot brake
most ’82 Bombardier Eagle I, II with 505 foot brake
40.0+ = 35.0 + 5.0 + 1.3 with pinch bolt
170.72.17r replacement black $12
40.0 = 35.0 + 5.0 for long cable pipe
170.72.17Br 2-ended replacement $19
Hercules B short 1-ended 170.72.16
’79-83 Sachs Prima G3, low bars with 505 foot brake
1982 Bombardier Eagle III with Sachs 505 foot brake
36.0+ = 31.0 + 5.0 + 1.3 with pinch bolt
170.72.16r replacement black $12
36.0 = 31.0 + 5.0 for long cable pipe
170.72.16Br 2-ended replacement $19
Hercules front brake 1-ended 170.70.73 $18
40.7=36.5+4.2 ∅2.0 without clevis clamp P26a
’75-76 Hercules M1,M2,P1 sheet frame with 504
’75-76 Herc. M4,M5,P3 tube frame, 505 foot brake
170.70.73r 1-ended replacement ∅1.5 $12
clevis clamps: P26a $20.0 P26d $13.0
Hercules rear brake 1-ended 170.70.76 $20
66.7=62.5+4.2 ∅2.0 without clevis clamp P26a
’75-76 Hercules M1,M2,P1 sheet frame with 504
170.70.76r 1-ended replacement ∅1.5 $12
clevis clamps: P26a $20.0 P26d $13.0
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Hercules front brake 2-ended 170.70.05 $35
’77-83 Westlake, Sundancer sheet frame with 504
’77-83 Balboa, Suburban, Prima (tube) 505 foot brk
40.7=36.5+4.2 ∅2.0 clevis is riveted to brake arm
170.70.05r 2-ended replacement ∅1.5 $23
Hercules rear brake 2-ended 170.70.01 $38
’77-83 Westlake, Sundancer sheet frame with 504
66.7=62.5+4.2 ∅2.0 clevis is riveted to brake arm
170.70.01r 2-ended replacement ∅1.5 $25
Hercules front brake 2-ended 170.70.03 none
’80-83 Seville sheet frame with Sachs 505 foot brake
???=??.? + ??.? ∅2.0 clevis is riveted to brake arm
170.70.03r 2-ended replacement ∅1.5 $
Hercules front brake 2-ended 170.70.03 $30
’79-83 Prima G3 tube frame with Sachs 505 foot brake
36.7=32.5+4.2 ∅2.0 clevis is riveted to brake arm
170.70.03r 2-ended replacement ∅1.5 $23
Brake cable lower end types
1. built-in clevis for 6mm pear end
2. Grimeca pinch bolt for no end
3. Tomos pinch bolt for no end
4. 8mm barrel end or pinch bolt
5. clevis end or clevis pinch bolt
Early Hercules cables were all single ended, in the tradition of bicycles. The brake cables had clevis type pinch bolt ends, type 5 at the right. The clevis piece and adjuster are sold separately.
Hercules clevis end
is riveted to arm
Later Hercules had double ended brake cables, in the tradition of motorcycles. They attached easily and securely to a clevis piece that was riveted to the lever arm. This made it safer and more fool proof, but also made the brake cables specific and difficult to get or make.
The early controls (not shown), here nicknamed “Early 1970’s Magura” had bottomless threaded holes, requiring standard M6-1.0 adjusters. After 1976-77 they had the “1970’s Magura” controls. The brake cable end holes changed from threaded bottomless to slotted with bottom, to accept either a plain cable or, optionally, a Magura type adjuster.
Hercules Sachs choke cable, single ended
Sachs air filter
Front half w/choke
The Sachs external choke is part of the air filter box, front half. The Ø3 end goes in the plastic slide. The upper bare end requires a 5×7 pinch bolt for the right thumb lever. The design requires that the upper end of the cable be removed to install or remove the cable. (If there was a double ended Sachs choke cable it would require a Magura type adjuster to be adjusted way up/tighter to allow for installation slack).
Hercules-Sachs throttle cable, single ended
Since this is a single ended cable, it does not matter if the carb elbow is long or short. The pinch bolt can be located accordingly.
All original Hercules cables had light grey plastic oil ports, located a few inches from the top end. Replacement cables do not have oil ports.
1975 Moppett, Sachs 504-1A, short carb elbow
Cimatti Cables
November 29, 2020Cimatti Cables
| FRONT BRAKE sleeve x wire upper end lower end | REAR BRAKE sleeve x wire upper end lower end | THROTTLE sleeve x wire upper end lower end | START CABLE sleeve x wire upper end lower end | CHOKE CABLE sleeve x wire upper end lower end | |
| 1977-80 Cimatti City Bike sliding block throttle Minarelli V1, side carb | 38 x 42" Ø1.5 6mm pear no end black $10 | 64 x 69" Ø1.5 6mm pear no end black $13 | 38 x 42" Ø1.2 no end 3x5 inline black $12 | 43 x 47" Ø1.5 6mm pear no end black $10 | none |
| 1976-77 Cimatti City Bike wrap-around throttle Minarelli V1, side carb | same as above | same as above | 38 x 42" Ø1.2 5x7 barrel 3x5 inline black $20 | same as above | none |
“wrap-around” throttle
Cimatti early throttle cable, double ended, for cable pipe 2b.
For longer pipe 2a, exposed length is shorter, 3.5″.
A Ø8 end cap is added over the Ø6 one on top, for centering.
1976 and some 1977 Cimatti had Domino wrap-around type throttles and double ended throttle cables.
Vespa cable pipe 2a is too high for floorboards
Short cable pipe 2b is correct for Cimatti
Early type double ended cable: For the original double ended throttle cable to fit, the curved pipe aka carb elbow must be the one that is 22mm tall and 30mm long, at the far left. If a different carb elbow is used, then the cable must be cut and re-soldered to match.
5mm Adjusters: Wonder why a Cimatti early double ended throttle cable does not have the 5mm adjuster trapped onto the cable, but a Puch double ended throttle cable does? It is because the center hole is over 3mm on the Italian Dellorto M5-0.75 thread adjuster, but under 3mm on the German Bing M5-0.80 thread adjuster. So the 3mm diameter carb end passes through on Dellorto, but not on Bing.
“sliding block” throttle
Cimatti (most) throttle cable, single ended
1978 and later, and some 1977 Cimatti had Domino slide type throttles that used single ended throttle cables. The cable runs parallel to the handlebar.
Later type single ended cable: Most Cimatti are this later type. It does not care what carb or what elbow is on the other end. During installation the (usually new) wire is pulled almost taut, so any excess slack is removed. After the pinch bolt in the sliding block is tightened, the excess wire “tail” is cut off.
AMF Cables
November 29, 2020AMF Cables
AMF brake arms
1978-83 AMF Roadmaster mopeds have special brake cables. All models, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 140, 141 have the same controls and hand brake levers. At the upper end the black plastic hand lever is a unique American design that requires a special cable end. The original end piece looks like a “T” but the replacement is just the top part of the “T”, made from a Ø3.9 x 7.2 mm brass cable end E5f, ground shorter to Ø3.9 x 5.9 mm.
On all models the lower end of the cable has no soldered-on cable end. The cable is the same but the piece that attaches it to the brake arm has two types. Models 110 and 115 have Hercules-Sachs type special clevis clamps (right in photo) on both front and rear. Models 120, 125, 130, 140, 141 have clevis clamp on front, and Grimeca pinch bolt (left in photo) on rear.
AMF Roadmaster front replacement brake cable, bare $19
AMF original brake lever and cable
AMF Roadmaster rear replacement brake cable, bare $19
pinch bolt $5, clevis clamp $15, adjuster $2, step ferrule $1
Garelli Cables
November 29, 2020Garelli Cables
Replacement Brake Cables, single ended
1975-86 Garelli horizontal cylinder one speed models with front facing carb
1976-86 Garelli vertical cylinder two speed models with side facing carb
front brake $10 38 x 43″ Ø1.5 wire, 6mm pear end, black
rear brake $10 60 x 66″ Ø1.5 wire, 6mm pear end, black
Replacement Throttle Cables, single ended
1975-86 Garelli horizontal cylinder models with front facing carb
throttle xxx $10 32 x 36+” Ø1.2 wire, 3×5 inline end, black
1976-86 Garelli vertical cylinder models with side facing carb
throttle xxx $10 38 x 42+” Ø1.2 wire, 3×5 inline end, black
1983-86 Garelli Basic horizontal cylinder one speed, front facing carb
throttle xxx $10 34 x 38+” Ø1.2 wire, 3×5 inline end, black
Original Garelli Start Cables
Things that are shown removed from the cable are not included with the cable.
Things that are shown installed in the cable are included with the cable.
So on the first cable below, the step ferrule is part of the cable, but the adjuster and clamp bolt are not.
H. Horizontal cylinder engine (Eureka, Sport, Gran Sport, Rally Sport, Super Sport, others)
Garelli horizontal engine start cable versions
Eureka Flex Standard Ø1.5 start cable 503754.7300 N/A
front pull, cable stop on frame, requires clamp bolt in hand lever
Eureka Flex Deluxe Ø1.5 start cable 503501.7300 $17
front pull, cable stop on engine, requires clamp bolt in hand lever
Sport, Rally Sport, Gran Sport, Super Sport 506851.7300 $27
Ø1.5 front pull, stop on frame, requires adapter in hand lever
V. Vertical cylinder engine (Gulp Matic, VIP, VIP-N, Monza GT, Avanti and Cosmo remakes, others)
Garelli vertical engine start cable versions
Garelli Gulp original start cable, rear-pull 500201.7300 none
rear pull, cable stop on engine, requires clamp bolt in hand lever
Garelli VIP prototype cable, for sharp U-turn routing none
This sharp-bend U-turn shorter cable performed poorly.
The wide U-turn, longer cable was better, and superseded it.
Garelli VIP start cable for wide U-turn 507251.7300 none
rear pull, cable stop on frame, requires clamp bolt in hand lever
Replacement Garelli Start Cables
12 Garelli replacement start cables are offered: 3 lengths H,G or V, 2 styles d or e, 2 thicknesses 1.5 or 2.0.
Length is the same as original. For shorter or taller handlebars, the cable length would be shorter or longer.
Thickness is the same as original. (in mm) wire 1.5, conduit 5. HD cables are thicker, wire 2.0, conduit 6.
Why so many? 1) Garelli mopeds have different engines. The type of Garelli engine Horizontal, Gulp, or VIP, and the cable routing, determines the cable length. See above photos of original cable routing. 2) Garelli mopeds can have 2 different hand lever cable end pieces. The type of end piece in the hand lever (adapter “d” or clamp “e“) determines the style of cable inner wire end (mushroom or sideways barrel). 3) Standard “std” 1.5 mm, or heavy duty “HD” 2.0 mm thicknesses are offered. The thickness is a matter of choice.
Why heavy duty? Often the starter mechanism inside the engine gets worn, glazed or messed up, causing the starting clutch to slip. Then the start lever has to be squeezed real hard. A thicker cable performs better when the lever is squeezed really hard. The thicker HD cables are for Garelli mopeds that slip when starting.
H. Horizontal cylinder engine (Eureka, Sport, Gran Sport, Rally Sport, Super Sport, others)
H1.5d start cable std bare $10 for when clamp “e” is missing
H2.0d start cable HD bare $20 for when clamp “e” is missing
H1.5e start cable std bare $10 for when clamp “e” is present
H2.0e start cable HD bare $20 for when clamp “e” is present
These “H” start cables are front-pull. So they are the shortest. See horizontal engine start cable photos above.
The replacement cable bare is just the wire and the conduit-with-end-caps. The pieces a, b, c, d, e are sold separately. They slide off or detach from the single-ended cable. See below.
G. Vertical cylinder “early” engine (Gulp Matic, others)
G1.5d start cable std bare $10 for when clamp “e” is missing
G2.0d start cable HD bare $20 for when clamp “e” is missing
G1.5e start cable std bare $10 for when clamp “e” is present
G2.0e start cable HD bare $20 for when clamp “e” is present
These “G” start cables are rear pull. So they are longer than “H”. They do a quick sharp U-turn, and stay on the same side of the frame. So they are not as long as the “V” type.
The replacement cable bare is just the wire and the conduit-with-end-caps. The pieces a, b, c, d, e are sold separately. They slide off or detach from the single-ended cable. See below.
V. Vertical cylinder “late” engine (VIP, VIP-N, Monza GT, Avanti and Cosmo remakes, others)
V1.5d start cable std bare $10 for when clamp “e” is missing
V2.0d start cable HD bare $20 for when clamp “e” is missing
V1.5e start cable std bare $10 for when clamp “e” is present
V2.0e start cable HD bare $20 for when clamp “e” is present
These “V” cables are rear-pull. They are the longest, because they go to the rear first, then make a wide U-turn behind the engine to the other side of the frame.
The replacement cable bare is just the wire and the conduit-with-end-caps. The pieces a, b, c, d, e are sold separately. They slide off or detach from the single-ended cable. See below.
Garelli Start Cable Pieces
a. clamp (pinch bolt) x $$4 short for engine lever xxxx xxxx substitute, good quality, good design
b. ferrule (cable stop) x N/A 4.5 to 7.5 by 11.3, 6.1 id xxxxx Garelli original
b. ferrule (cable stop) x $$3 3.8 to 7.0 by 10.8, 5.9 id xxxx xsubstitute F2 Motobecane 16944
c. adjuster (cable stop) $$6 M6 thread, ribbed xxxx xxxxxx Garelli original 000315.9522
c. adjuster (cable stop) $$2 M6 thread, hex style xxxx xxxx substitute
d. adapter (socket bolt) $$4 cable anchor long with washer x substitute, washer keeps cable centered
d. adapter (socket bolt) N/A cable anchor short 70’s Domino Garelli original 506851.5178, for start lever, pre-1986
d. adapter (socket bolt) $$4 cable anchor 80’s Domino xxxx for all-black Domino controls, 1986-on Garelli models
e. clamp (pinch bolt) xx N/A long for hand lever xxxx xxxxxx Garelli original 0009504.4554
f. clamp (pinch bolt) xx $$4 long for hand lever xxxx xxxxxx substitute, requires internal washers to stay centered
f. clamp (pinch bolt) xx $$4 long for hand lever xxxx xxxxxx this is difficult to install, more about this later…
Garelli start-clutch cables have been a difficult subject at Myrons Mopeds for many years. Not only are there different cables, engines and routings, but the bikes can have different end pieces, clamp “e” or adapter “d”. Those things can be changed, so the customer has to say what kind the bike has. To make matters worse, the clamp “e” has been scarce and unavailable since the 1980’s. So there is a lot of explaining to do. And then, there is a tendency for the start cable to wear out or break, because the starting clutch mechanism inside the engine slips, which requires the cable to be pulled very hard.
Garelli start lever
without socket bolt.
8mm hole size is
same as brake but
lever is thinner.
Domino Socket Bolts
Domino Socket Bolts: 1970’s Italian moped brake levers and start lever use these adapter pieces to convert the pear end to a longer sideways barrel. They are more than just an adapter, because they have a slot for the inner wire to pass through, to allow installation. There are two lengths, 16mm for brake levers, and 14mm for decomp/start levers. It is important to have the cable wire centered in the lever. So there is a groove that the sheet metal lever sits in when the lever is squeezed. That groove keeps the socket bolt from sliding sideways. Without that groove, the cable still functions, but maybe not as well, or it might make a “click” sound and feel, when it does not stay centered. A longer one will substitute for a short one, with a 8mm washer under it. But the washer covers the centering groove, so it might not perform as well as an original.
Batavus Cables
November 29, 20201970’s Batavus mopeds use 1970’s Magura controls. The left side is the rear brake and start lever. The right side is the front brake, throttle, and choke trigger. The brake cables connect to the levers with little adaptor pieces called socket bolts or cable anchors.
For Batavus cables, there are five model-categories:
a. 1976-78 HS50 and Mobat
M48 engine, bottom carb
low handlebars
b. 1974-80 VA, Starflite VA, HS
M48 engine, bottom carb
standard handlebars
c. 1976-78 Batavus Bronco
M48 engine, bottom carb
high and wide handlebars
d. 1978-80 Regency VA, HS with spoke wheels
M56 engine, side carb, std. handlebars
e. 1978-80 Batavus Regency VA, HS with mags
and 1982-85 Trac Eagle, Clipper, Hawk
M56 engine, side carb, std. handlebars
models #/link price description
a0000 41-405r $23 38.6 x 41.3″ Ø1.2 throttle cable replica, 2-ends 5×7 barrel, 3×5 inline
a0000 41-405r $00 has a remake large Magura adjuster, not small
a0000 41-406 $15 38.8 x 40.1″ Ø1.2 choke cable original, 2-ends 5×7 barrel, 3×5 inline
a0000 41-407 $15 33.5 x 37.2″ Ø1.8 front brake original, x 2-ends 6mm pear, 8×15 barrel
a0000 41-408r $20 57.5 x 60.8″ Ø1.5 rear brake replica, xx 2-ends 6mm pear, 8×12 barrel
0b0de 41-408r $00 does not have Magura adjuster on upper end like the original does
a0000 41-409r $10 35.5 x 44″ Ø1.5 start cable replica, xx 1-end xxxxxxxxx, 6mm pear
a0000 41-409r $00 step ferrule F1c and adjuster A9a not included, sold separately below
0b000 41-246 $13 41.8 x 43.1″ Ø1.2 choke cable original, 2-ends 5×7 barrel, 3×5 inline
0b0de 41-247r $10 39.5 x 48″ Ø1.5 start cable replica, 1-end xxxxxxxxx, 6mm pear
a0000 41-409r $00 step ferrule F1c and adjuster A9a not included, sold separately below
0b000 41-248r $23 41.6 x 44.3″ Ø1.2 throttle cable replica, 2-ends 5×7 barrel, 3×5 inline
0b000 41-248r $00 has a remake large Magura adjuster, not small
0b0d0 41-249 n/a 61.0 x 64.3″ Ø1.5 rear brake original, 2-ends 6mm pear, 8×12 barrel
0b0d0 41-249r $24 61.0 x 64.3″ Ø1.5 rear brake replica, 2-ends 6mm pear, 8×12 barrel
0b0de 41-249r $00 does not have Magura adjuster on upper end like the original does
0b0d0 41-250 $20 37.0 x 40.7″ Ø1.8 front brake original, 2-ends 6mm pear, 8×15 barrel
00c00 41-BR5r $25 48.6 x 51.3″ Ø1.2 throttle cable replica, 2-ends 5×7 barrel, 3×5 inline
00c00 41-BR5r $00 has a remake large Magura adjuster, not small
00c00 41-BR6r $15 48.8 x 50.1″ Ø1.2 choke cable replica, 2-ends 5×7 barrel, 3×5 inline
00c00 41-BR7r $15 43.5 x 47.2″ Ø1.5 front brake replica, x 2-ends 6mm pear, 8×15 barrel
0b0de 41-BR7r $00 does not have Magura adjuster on upper end like the original does
00c00 41-BR8r $25 67.5 x 70.8″ Ø1.5 rear brake replica, xx 2-ends 6mm pear, 8×12 barrel
0b0de 41-249r $00 does not have Magura adjuster on upper end like the original does
00c00 41-BR9r $10 45.5 x 54″ Ø1.5 start cable replica, xx 1-end xxxxxxxxx, 6mm pear
a0000 41-409r $00 step ferrule F1c and adjuster A9a not included, sold separately below
000de 41-286r $10 41.0 x 42.5″ Ø1.2 choke cable replica, 1-end xxxxxxxxx, 3×5 inline
000de 41-286r $00 pinch bolt P5 not included, sold separately
0000e 41-397 $29 37.0 x 40.1″ Ø1.8 front brake original, 2-ends 6mm pear, 6mm pear
0000e 41-397r $24 37.0 x 40.1″ Ø1.5 front brake replica, 2-ends 6mm pear, 6mm pear
0b0de 41-397r $00 does not have Magura adjuster on upper end like the original does
0000e 41-398 $33 61.0 x 64.1″ Ø1.8 rear brake original, 2-ends 6mm pear, 6mm pear
0000e 41-398r $27 61.0 x 64.1″ Ø1.5 rear brake replica, 2-ends 6mm pear, 6mm pear
0b0de 41-398r $00 does not have Magura adjuster on upper end like the original does
000de 41-434 n/a 38.5 x 41.2″ Ø1.2 throttle cable original 2-ends 5×7 barrel, 3×5 inline
000de 41-434r $21 39.0 x 41.7″ Ø1.2 throttle Trac 84565, 2-ends 5×7 barrel, 3×5 inline
0b0de 41-249r $00 has a remake small Magura adjuster, same size as original
Batavus Cable Parts Sold Separately
abcde A9a $7.00 Magura adjuster used small original (optional)
00000 A9b $3.00 Magura adjuster large type replica (optional)
abc00 F1c 0 $1.50 step ferrule Ø5-Ø8 x 12 (for M48 start cable)
000de m56spr $6 cable spring Ø6 x 35? (for M56 start cable)
0b0de P5-oooo $2 pinch bolt Ø5.5 x 8 (for M56 choke cable)
Batavus throttle cable 41-248
41-248 and 41-405: These are very long throttle cables, for a moped, because the carburetor is below and behind the motor. They have a short Magura adjuster on top.
Substitute: The substitute cable has a different style of Magura adjuster at the top end.
Batavus choke cable 41-246
41-246 and 41-406: There is no adjuster on the choke cable. Instead there is a rubber boot (not shown) that keeps water and dirt from getting in.
Batavus start cable 41-247
41-247 and 41-409: These start cables are single ended, where the wire slides out, so the 5-8 step ferrule, and the Magura short adjuster are shown and sold separately. The upper inner wire end is held with a pinch bolt built into the black plastic Magura start lever. The adjuster is optional, since it is easy to adjust from the pinch screw.
Batavus front brake cable 41-250
41-250 and 41-407: These front brake cables have a 6mm 10-hex type adjuster on the bottom end, and a short Magura type adjuster on the top. The second adjuster on top is a convenience, so you can adjust it while riding.
Substitute: The substitute cable has no Magura adjuster at the top end.
Batavus rear brake cable 41-249
41-249 and 41-408: These rear brake cables have a 6mm 10-hex type adjuster on the bottom end, and a short Magura type adjuster on the top. The second adjuster on top is a convenience, so you can adjust it while riding.
Substitute: The substitute cable has no Magura adjuster at the top end.
Batavus front brake cable 41-397
41-397 and 41-398: These brake cables for mag wheel models have a “Ø6 pear” or “mushroom” on both ends, a 6mm 10-hex type bottom adjuster, and a short Magura type top adjuster. The top adjuster is a convenience, so you can adjust it while riding.
Substitute: The substitute cable has no Magura adjuster. It has a similar but generic 6mm adjuster on the bottom end, at the wheel.
Batavus M56 throttle cable 41-434
41-434: It has a short Magura type adjuster on top.
Substitute: The 1981-84 Trac throttle cable is the substitute. It has a slightly different style of Magura adjuster.
Batavus choke cable 41-286
41-286: This is a single ended cable. First the inner wire slides though a small brass choke plunger. Then a set screw holds it from the bottom end. Two tiny rubber o-rings go into grooves in the choke plunger. See Encarwi carburetors for that. At the top end, a 5 x 7mm pinch bolt, shown and sold separately, goes into a plastic thumb trigger in the right control.