Points and Condensers

 

Welcome. In the 1970’s USA moped suppliers were all separate companies. If you needed a Cimatti condenser you ordered it from Cimatti. If you needed a Garelli condenser, you ordered it from Garelli. But by the 1980’s moped companies started pulling out of the US market. Marina Mobili Inc. (MMI) in New Jersey, was buying up their inventories and offering parts for almost all mopeds. Moped dealers could order common parts like points, condensers, and spark plugs, all from one supplier. MMI cross referenced the ignition parts and assigned 3-digit “M” part numbers. This breakthrough taught dealers that many things were the same. A Garelli condenser was the same as a Cimatti condenser, since they both have the same MMI part number, M17.

1988 MMI chart

The Ignition Cross Reference Chart was in every semi-annual newsletter-catalog from 1984 to 1989. It was used frequently, or even daily, by moped dealers. Now it is here for you to have and use also.

 

Points and condensers are explained and also listed in the magnetos sections.

Original items are shown, but only some are sold. Most items for sale are aftermarket replacements.  

 


Bosch, Iskra, WTEMCO

Bosch (Germany), Iskra (Slovenia), and WTEMCO (Taiwan) all use Bosch-compatible points and condensers.

M19   $16.0 no wire, 1-piece, generic

M32A $15.0 condenser solder-type, generic
0.18 mf, ∅18 x 21, equals 1217 330 035

For 1970’s to 80’s Bosch 90 x 90 mm magnetos.
On Sachs 505, Laura M48, Puch, and Solo moped engines.

 


M19A $14.0 no wire, 3-piece, for Ø90 flywheel

M36   $12.0 condenser solder-type, generic
0.18 mf, ∅18 x 31, equals 1217 330 037

For ’60’s to early 70’s Bosch 90 x 90 mm magnetos
that had a points pivot post screwed into the stator plate.
For 1977-84 WTEMCO 82 x 90 mm magnetos 
On Angel (TYM) and Indian 4-stroke moped engines.

The pivot post can be unscrewed. It takes a 3.2mm e-clip. The newer M19 points are designed to substitute perfectly for M19A, because their bottom pivot exactly fits the older threaded hole.

 


M19B $15.0 with eyelet wire, generic

M32   $15.0 condenser with screw post, generic
0.18 mf, ∅18 x 21, equals 2207 330 050

For 1988-94  Iskra 90 x 90 mm magnetos.
On 1988-94 Tomos A3 and A35 moped engines.

 


M31   $18.0 with eyelet wire, generic

M32   $15.0 condenser with screw post, generic
0.18 mf, ∅18 x 21, equals 2207 330 050

For 1970’s-80’s Bosch 80 x 80 mm magnetos. 
On Sachs 504, Laura M56, Kreidler, and some Minarelli and Morini moped engines.


CEV, IDM, Ducati, ZEM

CEV (Italy) and IDM (Italy-made CEV clone) magnetos have 18.3 mm condenser holes, too big for a press-fit type condenser 18.0 mm. They require a flange type CEV condenser M17 = 07365.

Ducati Elettrotecnica (Italy) and ZEM (Italy-made Ducati clone) magnetos on ’74-86 Tomos mopeds have 17.9 condenser holes, too small for a regular CEV flange type condenser 18.0. They require a slightly smaller CEV-type condenser M17T 17.9 mm. Optionally the condenser hole in the stator base plae can be filed bigger to accept a regular CEV-type M17 condenser.

 

M18a none  points CEV 13035
Looks like a left hand. For right (clockwise) rotation.
∅4.5 x 7.5 pivot post, with slot for adjustment cam
M17   $15.0 condenser 07365 0.18mf ∅18.0 x 25 Effe 6153

 

M14a none  points CEV 13036
Looks like a right hand. For left (anti-clockwise) rotation.
∅4.5 x 7.5 pivot post, with slot for adjustment cam
M17   $15.0 condenser 07365 0.18mf ∅18.0 x 25 Effe 6153

M18   $16.0 points CEV 04221
Looks like a left hand. For right (clockwise) rotation.
∅4.0 x 3.0 pivot post
M17   $15.0 condenser 07365 0.18mf ∅18.0 x 25 Effe 6153

M14   $16.0 points CEV 04229
Looks like a right hand. For left (anti-clockwise) rotation.
∅4.0 x 3.0 pivot post
M17   $15.0 condenser 07365 0.18mf ∅18.0 x 25 Effe 6153
M17T $21.0 condenser Ducati 0.22mf ∅17.9 x 21 Effe 6203

 

 

CEV left hand M18 is for clockwise rotation
CEV right hand M14 is for anti-clockwise

 

 


Dansi

M17D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dansi Ø80 and Ø94 stators, gold Ø82 x 103 flywheels
on 70’s Morini and Benelli
18.3 mm condenser hole, too big for a 18.0 press-in type
must have CEV type with flange

Dansi Ø94 stators, aluminum Ø82 x 110 flywheels
on early 70’s Morini engines

01.3235 $18.0 points M00 for ADL54/ANB, others
01.3239 $21.0 points M00 for MDL111, MDP44, ADP244S, MDL102, ADP44, ADL8, others
01.3558 $16.0 points M18 for 101441, 101813, 101662,  others
01.3557 $16.0 points M14 for 101286, 101732, 101765, 102690, 101603, others
01.3240 $19.0 points M00 for MSL111, MSL105, ASL314B, ASL236NS, ASL222S
01.3236 $26.0 points 2470 for ASL6, ASL204NS, ASL205NS, ASL206, ASL233S, ASL233VS, ASL5N, ASL234NS
M17D    $15.0 condenser   for Ducati Dansi 0.22 μf, ∅17.9 x 21, Effe 6203
M17T     $21.0 condenser   for Dansi Ducati 0.28 μf, ∅18.0 x 21, Effe 6264

 


Honda
Hitachi
Mitsuba
ND (Denso)

 

Denso (ND) 2811 magneto with Denso points
on some 1977-80 NC50 and 1979-80 NA50

Honda 30202-131-004
Denso original  N/A

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mitsuba GF-1102 magneto with Mitsuba points
on some 1977-80 NC50 and 1979-80 NA50

Honda 30202-041-015 points, three versions,
L to R Mitsuba, Hitachi, generic. All 3 interchange.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mitsuba GF-1102 magneto with Hitachi points
on some 1977-80 NC50 and 1979-80 NA50

Honda 30202-041-015
generic Hitachi $15

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


M17 condenser $18

080 early Motoplat $12-$22

081 late Motoplat $30

Motoplat

Motoplat moped magnetos are made in Spain. They have Motoplat-only points, but the condenser is a CEV-compatible type.

Motoplat Ø94 magneto 9600099, gold Ø79 flywheel, with “early” points #080 is on 1974-86 Derbi Variant mopeds (piston-port and pyramid-reed engines).

Motoplat Ø80 magneto 9600089, gold Ø79 flywheel, with  Motoplat “late” points #081 is on 1978-later Hercules, Sparta and KTM (Sachs 504/1D engine).

Motoplat Ø94 magneto 0602062, dark grey Ø79 flywheel, with  Motoplat “late” points #081 is on 1986-89 Derbi Variant Sport, DS50 (flat-reed engine).

 


635 MB points $20

Motobecane magnetos, early and late
internal and external condenser

Novi (Motobecane)

Novi magnetos are made in France. They are only on Motobecane mopeds. 

 

 

 

 

 


left M52 pre-1980 $15
right M78 1979-on $16

M51 Peugeot $19

Peugeot

Peugeot made their own magneto. Almost nothing interchanges with other magnetos. The 1970’s mopeds had a two-coil design, with internal transformer spark coil, and M51 condenser. 1980’s had a “star” magneto, with several coils pointing outwards, a M78 condenser, and an external transformer spark coil.

Peugeot Ignition Upgrade

 

 

The internal transformer spark coils deteriorate and allow high voltage sparks to escape out the back side, and into the points and condenser. The Peugeot Ignition Upgrade is essentially converting from a 1970’s to a 1980’s design. 

 

 

 


M62 Piaggio $20

Vespa without blinkers,
internal condenser

Vespa with blinkers,
external condenser

Piaggio

Piaggio made their own magneto. Almost nothing interchanges with other magnetos. There is no base plate. Instead the coils, points, and condenser are mounted directly to the engine case.

The wires deteriorate and turn into green powder, but not the coils.

Read more in Vespa-Piaggio 

M63 Piaggio $11

935 Piaggio condenser 162935 $35
(only for US models with turn signals)

1978 Vespa Ciao, turn signal model,
with badly corroded condenser wires