Welcome. In the 1970’s USA moped suppliers were all separate companies. If you needed a Cimatti condenser you ordered it from Cimatti. If you needed a Garelli condenser, you ordered it from Garelli. But by the 1980’s moped companies started pulling out of the US market. Marina Mobili Inc. (MMI) in New Jersey, was buying up their inventories and offering parts for almost all mopeds. Moped dealers could order common parts like points, condensers, and spark plugs, all from one supplier. MMI cross referenced the ignition parts and assigned 3-digit “M” part numbers. This breakthrough taught dealers that many things were the same. A Garelli condenser was the same as a Cimatti condenser, since they both have the same MMI part number, M17.
1988 MMI chart
The Ignition Cross Reference Chart was in every semi-annual newsletter-catalog from 1984 to 1989. It was used frequently, or even daily, by moped dealers. Now it is here for you to have and use also.
Points and condensers are explained and also listed in the magnetos sections.
Original items are shown, but only some are sold. Most items for sale are aftermarket replacements.
Bosch, Iskra, WTEMCO
Bosch (Germany), Iskra (Slovenia), and WTEMCO (Taiwan) all use Bosch-compatible points and condensers.
M19 $16.0 no wire, 1-piece, generic
M32A $15.0 condenser solder-type, generic
0.18 mf, ∅18 x 21, equals 1217 330 035
For 1970’s to 80’s Bosch 90 x 90 mm magnetos.
On Sachs 505, Laura M48, Puch, and Solo moped engines.
M19A $14.0 no wire, 3-piece, for Ø90 flywheel
M36 $12.0 condenser solder-type, generic
0.18 mf, ∅18 x 31, equals 1217 330 037
For ’60’s to early 70’s Bosch 90 x 90 mm magnetos
that had a points pivot post screwed into the stator plate.
For 1977-84 WTEMCO 82 x 90 mm magnetos
On Angel (TYM) and Indian 4-stroke moped engines.
The pivot post can be unscrewed. It takes a 3.2mm e-clip. The newer M19 points are designed to substitute perfectly for M19A, because their bottom pivot exactly fits the older threaded hole.
M19B $15.0 with eyelet wire, generic
M32 $15.0 condenser with screw post, generic
0.18 mf, ∅18 x 21, equals 2207 330 050
For 1988-94 Iskra 90 x 90 mm magnetos.
On 1988-94 Tomos A3 and A35 moped engines.
M31 $15.0 with eyelet wire, generic
M32 $15.0 condenser with screw post, generic
0.18 mf, ∅18 x 21, equals 2207 330 050
For 1970’s-80’s Bosch 80 x 80 mm magnetos.
On Sachs 504, Laura M56, Kreidler, and some Minarelli and Morini moped engines.
CEV, IDM, Ducati, ZEM
CEV (Italy) and IDM (Italy-made CEV clone) magnetos have 18.3 mm condenser holes, too big for a press-fit type condenser 18.0 mm. They require a flange type CEV condenser M17 = 07365.
Ducati Elettrotecnica (Italy) and ZEM (Italy-made Ducati clone) magnetos on ’74-86 Tomos mopeds have 17.9 condenser holes, too small for a regular CEV flange type condenser 18.0. They require a slightly smaller CEV-type condenser M17T 17.9 mm. Optionally the condenser hole in the stator base plae can be filed bigger to accept a regular CEV-type M17 condenser.
M18a $26.0 points CEV 13035
Looks like a left hand. For right (clockwise) rotation.
∅4.5 x 7.5 pivot post, with slot for adjustment cam
M17 $13.0 condenser 07365 0.18mf ∅17.8 x 25 Effe 6153
M14a none points CEV 13036
Looks like a right hand. For left (anti-clockwise) rotation.
∅4.5 x 7.5 pivot post, with slot for adjustment cam
M17 $13.0 condenser 07365 0.18mf ∅17.8 x 25 Effe 6153
M18 $16.0 points CEV 04221
Looks like a left hand. For right (clockwise) rotation.
∅4.0 x 3.0 pivot post
M17 $13.0 condenser 07365 0.18mf ∅17.8 x 25 Effe 6153
M14 $16.0 points CEV 04229
Looks like a right hand. For left (anti-clockwise) rotation.
∅4.0 x 3.0 pivot post
M17 $13.0 condenser 07365 0.18mf ∅17.8 x 25 Effe 6153
CEV left hand M18 is for clockwise rotation
CEV right hand M14 is for anti-clockwise
Dansi
Dansi Ø80 and Ø94 stators, gold Ø82 x 103 flywheels
on 70’s Morini and Benelli
18.3 mm condenser hole, too big for a 18.0 press-in type
must have CEV type with flange
Dansi Ø94 stators, aluminum Ø82 x 110 flywheels
on early 70’s Morini engines
01.3235 $18.0 points M00 for ADL54/ANB, others
01.3239 $29.0 points M00 for MDL111, MDP44, ADP244S, MDL102, ADP44, ADL8, others
01.3558 $16.0 points M18 for 101441, 101813, 101662, others
01.3557 $16.0 points M14 for 101286, 101732, 101765, 102690, 101603, others
01.3240 $19.0 points M00 for MSL111, MSL105, ASL314B, ASL236NS, ASL222S
01.3236 $26.0 points 2470 for ASL6, ASL204NS, ASL205NS, ASL206, ASL233S, ASL233VS, ASL5N, ASL234NS
M17D $15.0 condenser for Dansi 0.29 μf, ∅17.9 x 21, Effe 6203
Honda
Hitachi
Mitsuba
ND (Denso)
Denso (ND) 2811 magneto with Denso points
on some 1977-80 NC50 and 1979-80 NA50
Honda 30202-131-004
Denso original N/A
Mitsuba GF-1102 magneto with Mitsuba points
on some 1977-80 NC50 and 1979-80 NA50
Honda 30202-041-015 points, three versions,
L to R Mitsuba, Hitachi, generic. All 3 interchange.
Mitsuba GF-1102 magneto with Hitachi points
on some 1977-80 NC50 and 1979-80 NA50
Honda 30202-041-015
generic Hitachi $15
M17 condenser $18
080 early Motoplat $12-$22
081 late Motoplat $30
Motoplat
Motoplat moped magnetos are made in Spain. They have Motoplat-only points, but the condenser is a CEV-compatible type.
Motoplat Ø94 magneto 9600099, gold Ø79 flywheel, with “early” points #080 is on 1974-86 Derbi Variant mopeds (piston-port and pyramid-reed engines).
Motoplat Ø80 magneto 9600089, gold Ø79 flywheel, with Motoplat “late” points #081 is on 1978-later Hercules, Sparta and KTM (Sachs 504/1D engine).
Motoplat Ø94 magneto 0602062, dark grey Ø79 flywheel, with Motoplat “late” points #081 is on 1986-89 Derbi Variant Sport, DS50 (flat-reed engine).
Novi (Motobecane)
Novi magnetos are made in France. They are only on Motobecane mopeds.
Motobecane magnetos, early and late
internal and external condenser
635 MB points $18 for good-used Novi original
The aftermarket kind has a loose pivot. That
causes poor performance, irregular timing.
Left 16561 round type, to-78 $15.0
Right 24112 square type, 78-on $17.0
Either kind fits and works.
left M52 pre-1980 $15
right M78 1979-on $16
M51 Peugeot $19
Peugeot
Peugeot made their own magneto. Almost nothing interchanges with other magnetos. The 1970’s mopeds had a two-coil design, with internal transformer spark coil, and M51 condenser. 1980’s had a “star” magneto, with several coils pointing outwards, a M78 condenser, and an external transformer spark coil.
Peugeot Ignition Upgrade
The internal transformer spark coils deteriorate and allow high voltage sparks to escape out the back side, and into the points and condenser. The Peugeot Ignition Upgrade is essentially converting from a 1970’s to a 1980’s design.
Piaggio
Piaggio made their own magneto. Almost nothing interchanges with other magnetos. There is no base plate. Instead the coils, points, and condenser are mounted directly to the engine case.
The wires deteriorate and turn into green powder, but not the coils. Read more in Vespa-Piaggio
Vespa without blinkers,
internal condenser
Vespa with blinkers,
external condenser
1978 Vespa Ciao, turn signal model,
with badly corroded condenser wires
s
M62 103113 $15.0 points
M63 102939 $11.0 condenser
for Euro and US non-blinker models
935 162935 $35.0 condenser with 2 long wires
for US blinker models (with turn signals)