Spokes

Contents: 

1. Spoke Length
2. Quick Info
3. Spoke List
—— partition ——
4. Spoke Nipples
5. Spoke Threads
6. Length Calculation
7. Calculated Lengths

 

 

 

 

 

 


1. Spoke Length

Length can vary by 1 or 2 mm depending on the definition.
Spokes from the bicycle industry use Inner Edge Length.
Spokes from the moped industry use Center Line Length.
Spokes measured directly usually use Total Length.

Here we use Center Line Length. So a spoke that we say is 144 mm long, is 143 mm long from a bicycle spoke supplier, or 145 mm long from simple measurement. 

 


2. Quick Info


Replacement spokes can be up to 2 mm longer or shorter, as long as the original spoke was not already long or short. 

Inner or Outer: Spokes can go inside the hub flange or outside. On original moped wheels they alternate inner and outer. Inner spokes are longer because they have less than 90° bend. Outer spokes are shorter because they have more than 90° bend. Here we use the 90 degree equivalent for the named length. See illustration. 

Spoke thickness goes by several wire gauge families. Scroll down to Spoke Threads and Gauges for details.

Spoke threads: Most spokes have rolled threads, where the thread tops are raised higher than the spoke. Some spokes have cut threads, where the thread tops are lower than the spoke.

Thread pitch: Here the meaning of “thread” is the width of one thread, in mm. So ten 0.60 threads is 6 mm length.

ID Marks: For each spoke thickness (gauge) there can be several thread pitches. For many that means the ID mark on the spoke must match the ID mark on the nipple. ID marks include (A) (R) Italy, (  ) UK/Asia, () USA, (Б) Swiss, () (U) Germany, (C) (B) (*) (+) or (Я) France. Scroll down to Spoke Threads and Gauges for details.


Spoke head logos (ID marks). See more here

 


2. Spoke List

Spoke length (from center line) is from direct measurement. Over 90% of the listed applications have been verified by calculation. Scroll down to Length Calculation to see the good agreement between actual and calculated lengths.

rim xx qty xx length xxxxx  thread   price 0000 nipple
x↓ cross ↓ drum   ↓  thickness   ↓  /each  /set  mark ↓   type  OEM#

AMF Roadmaster .
16F 3x 36 090  173  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.00 $00 () 26i
16R 3x 36 090  173  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.00 $00 () 26i

Angel and Speed Bird (TYM)
17F 2x 32 080  179  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.00 $00 () 26b or(  )
17R 2x 32 080  179  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.00 $00 () 26b or(  )

Batavus VA, HS50, Starflite, Bronco, Mobat
16F 2x 28 080  169  2.6-0.0  0.50 $1.90 $43 () 26q or(U) 40210
16R 2x 36 070  165  3.0-0.0  0.60 $2.20 $45 () 30d  left   40173
16R 2x 36 070  168  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.00 $00 () 30d right  40172

Batavus Regency
16F 2x 28 080  169  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.00 $43 () 26q or(U) 40210
16R 3x 36 080  173  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.00 $00 () 30d 40221

Cimatti City Bike, Town Bike
16F 2x 36 090  156  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.80 $00 (A) 25d or(R) 25e
16R 2x 36 090  156  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.80 $00 (A) 25d or(R) 25e
substitute  000  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b

Colombia (1-chain), Open Road, Mopet (2 chain)
17F 3x 36 105  185  2.6 12G 0.45 none  $00 (O) 26f
17R 3x 36 105  185  2.6 12G 0.45 none  $00 (O) 26f
substitute  000  185  3.2-0.0  0.65 $1.50 $00
(  ) 32a

Derbi 83-86 Variant SL (only 15° bend almost straight)
16F 2x 36 105  157  2.9-0.0  0.60 $3.00 $00 (M) 29c 0A01220061
16R 2x 36 105  157  2.9-0.0  0.60 $3.00 $00 (M) 29c 0A01220061

Derbi 76-83 Variant SL, TT (only 15° bend spoke)
17F 2x 36 105  168  2.9-0.0  0.60 $3.00 $00 (E) 29c 0006513502
17R 2x 36 105  168  2.9-0.0  0.60 $3.00 $00 (E) 29c 0006513502

Derbi 78-87 C5 Diablo, RD50 (only 15° bend spoke)
21F 2x 36 105  217  2.9-0.0  0.60 none  $00 (E) 29c 0007912060
18R 2x 36 105  179  2.9-0.0  0.60 none  $00 (E) 29c 0006512061

Flandria Bermuda (with thin steel rims)
17F 3x 36 090  188  2.5-0.0  0.55 $2.00 $00 (Б) 25a DT zinc
17R 3x 36 090  192  2.5-0.0  0.55 $2.50 $00 (Б) 25a right DT zinc
17R 3x 36 090  188  2.5-0.0  0.55 $2.00 $00 (Б) 25a left DT zinc

Flandria Bermuda (with deep aluminum rims)
17F 3x 36 090  186  2.5-0.0  0.55 none  $00 (Б) 25a DT stainless
17R 3x 36 090  190  2.5-0.0  0.55 $2.50 $00 (Б) 25a right DT ss
17R 3x 36 090  186  2.5-0.0  0.55 none  $00 (Б) 25a left DT ss
substitute  000  187  2.5-0.0  0.55 $2.00 $00 (Б) 25a DT stainless

Garelli 75-77 Eureka Flex, Sport, Gran Sport
16F 2x 36 090  156  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.80 $00 (R) 25e 00093201
16R 3x 36 090  174  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (R) 25e 500601
substitute  000  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b

Garelli 77-78 Sport HD
16F 2x 36 090  156  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.80 $00 (R) 25e 00093201
16R 3x 36 090  174  3.0-0.0  0.65 $3.00 $00 (R) 30g 50685100
substitute  000  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b011 
substitute  000  174  3.0 17J  0.60 $1.80 $45 (C) 30e 21195

Garelli 77-80 Sport, Rally Sport, Super Sport
16F 2x 36 090  156  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.80 $00 (R) 25e 00093201
16R 3x 36 090  174  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (R) 25e 50060100
17F 3x 36 090  187  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (R) 25e 50320300 
17R 3x 36 090  187  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (R) 25e 50320300
substitute  000  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b 

Garelli 80-82 Sport, Rally Sport, Super Sport, 83-84 Monza GT
16F 3x 36 105  168  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.50 $00 (A)  30c 09324219
16R 3x 36 105  168  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.50 $00 (A)  30c 09324219

Garelli 75-78 Gulpmatic
16F 3x 36 105  173  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (R) 25e 5031510000
16R 3x 36 090  174  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (R) 25e 50060100

Garelli 78-80 VIP
16F 3x 36 105  173  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (R) 25e 5031510000
16R 3x 36 090  174  3.0-0.0  0.65 $3.00 $00 (R) 30g 50685100 
17F 3x 36 105  187  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (R) 25e 50320300 
17R 3x 36 090  188  3.0-0.0  0.65 $3.00 $00 (R) 30g 50320400 011 
substitute  000  174  3.0 17J  0.60 $1.80 $45 (C) 30e 21195

Garelli 81-86 VIP-N 
17F 3x 36 105  187  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (R) 25e 50320300 
17R 3x 36 105 

General, Lazer 77-85, small hubs, a is inner, b is outer
17Fa 2 32 080  177  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.00 $00 (  ) 26c 11505073
17Fb 2 32 080  177  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.50 $00 (  ) 26c 11505074
17Ra 2 32 080  171  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.00 $00 (  ) 26c 11505469
17Rb 2 32 080  171  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.50 $00 (  ) 26c 11505470

General, AMS 77-85 with big hubs, a is inner, b is outer
17Fa 2 32 110  171  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.00 $00 (  ) 26c 21505469
17Fb 2 32 110  171  2.6 12G 0.45 $3.00 $00 (  ) 26c 21505470
17Ra 2 32 110  162  3.2 10G 0.65 $3.00 $00 (  ) 32c 21515469
17Rb 2 32 110  162  3.2 10G 0.65 $3.00 $00 (  ) 32c 21515470

rim xx qty xx length xxxxx  thread   price 0000 nipple
x↓ cross ↓ drum   ↓  thickness   ↓  /each  /set  mark ↓   type  OEM#

Generic or Unknown Application
substitute  000  090  2.0 14G 0.45 $1.50 $00 (
 ) 20a
substitute  000  116  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.00 $00 (
 ) 32b
substitute  000  126  3.5 09G 0.65 $2.00 $00 (
 ) 35b
substitute  000  127  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.00 $00 (
 ) 32a
substitute  000  135  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.00 $00 (
 ) 32a
substitute  000  143  2.0 14G 0.45 $0.80 $15 (
 ) 20b needs washer
substitute  000  144  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.80 $35 (O) 26c (143)

substitute  000  145  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (B) 32b
substitute  000  148  2.9 11G 0.55 $3.00 $00 (  ) 29b outer
substitute  000  148  2.9 11G 0.55 $2.80 $00 (  ) 29b inner
substitute  000  152  3.5-3.2  0.65 $2.50 $00 (  ) 32a 
substitute  000  153  3.5 09G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (  ) 32a inner
substitute  000  153  3.5 09G 0.65 $2.00 $00 (  ) 32a outer
substitute  000  155  2.4-2.2  0.45 $1.90 $45 (Я) 22b

substitute  000  155  3.2 10G 0.65 $3.00 $00 (
 ) 32a
substitute  000  159  4.0 08G 0.80 $2.50 $00 (  ) 40a

substitute  000  160  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (  ) 32a
substitute  000  166  4.0 08G 0.80 $2.00 $00 (  ) 40a
substitute  000  167  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.30 $00 (  ) 32c outer

substitute  000  173  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.00 $45 (  ) 32a
substitute  000  176  3.2 10G 0.65 $3.00 $00 (  ) 32a
substitute  000  177  3.5 09G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (jw)32a or(  )
substitute  000  180  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (A) 25b
substitute  000  182  4.0-3.5  0.65 $3.00 $00 (  ) 35a inner
substitute  000  182  4.0-3.5  0.65 $3.00 $00 (  ) 35a outer
substitute  000  186  3.0-0.0  0.60 $2.00 $00 (Δ) 30f

substitute  000  188  3.5 09G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (
 ) 35b stainless
substitute  000  191  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.90 $43 (  ) 26h
substitute  000  192  3.0 00G 0.65 $2.50 $00 () 30g only 1 avail.

substitute  000  192  3.2 10G 0.65 $1.80 $28 (  ) 32a
substitute  000  195  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.00 $00 (  ) 26c only 1 avail.
substitute  000  195  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.00 $41 (  ) 32a
substitute  000  200  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.00 $00 (Δ) 26e

substitute  000  212  3.5 09G 0.65 $2.00 $00 (  ) 35b only 1 avail.
substitute  000  220  2.3 13G 0.45 $2.50 $00 (  ) 23c
substitute  000  224  2.3 13G 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 23c
substitute  000  245  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (  ) 32a only 1 avail.
substitute  000  263  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.50 $00 (  ) 26
substitute  000  270  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.50 $00 (  ) 26
substitute  000  296  2.0-1.7  0.45 $1.50 $00 (  ) 17a only 3 avail.

Gitane 76-80 Confort, Sport (Italian moped with French spokes)
16F 2x 36 090  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b
16R 2x 36 090  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b

Harley Davidson 1965 M50 (to # 65M-9595)
18F 3x 36 090  198? 2.5-0.0  0.65 none  $00 (A) or(R) 43040-65
18R 3x 36 090  198? 2.5-0.0  0.65 none  $00 (A) or(R) 43040-65

Harley Davidson 1965 M50 (after 65M-9595)
18F 2x 36 090  188? 2.5-0.0  0.65 none  $00 (A) or(R) 43041-65
18R 2x 36 090  188? 2.5-0.0  0.65 none  $00 (A) or(R) 43041-65
substitute  000  188  2.5-0.0  0.55 $2.50 $54 (Б) 25a

Harley Davidson 1966 M50, MS50, ’67-70 M65, MS65, MLS65
17F 2x 36 090  166? 2.5-0.0  0.65 none  $00 (A) or(R) 43100-66
17R 2x 36 090  166? 2.5-0.0  0.65 none  $00 (A) or(R) 43100-66

Harley Davidson 71-72 MS65, MLS65
17F 2x 36 090  166? 3.0-0.0  0.00 none  $00 (A) or(R) 43040-71P
17R 2x 36 090  166? 3.0-0.0  0.00 none  $00 (A) or(R) 43040-71P

Harley Davidson 1972 MLS65 (16″ rear)
17F 2x 36 090  166? 3.0-0.0  0.00 none  $00 (A) or(R) 43040-71P
16R 2x 36 090  152? 3.0-0.0  0.00 none  $00 (A) or(R) 43049-62PA

Hercules 76-83 sheet-frame 504 (2-chain, bigger L rear hub flange)
17F 3x 36 090  190  2.3 13G 0.45 $3.00 191 () 23b 24111070 
17R 3x 36 090  190  2.3 13G 0.45 $3.00 191 () 23b 24111070 right
17R 3x 36 090  188  2.3 13G 0.45 $2.50 187 (U) 23a 24111110  left

Hercules 76-83 tube-frame with 505 (1-chain)
17F 3x 36 090  186  2.3 13G 0.45 $3.00 187 (U) 23a 24111110 
17R 3x 36 090  186  2.3 13G 0.45 $3.00 187 (U) 23a 24111110 

Honda 1970’s CB200  a is inner, b is outer
18Fa 0 36 000  201  3.5-3.2  0.65 $1.50 $00 (  ) 32b good-used
18Fb 0 36 000  201  3.5-3.2  0.65 $1.50 $00 (  ) 32b good-used

Honda 69-77 PC50  a is inner, b is outer
19Fa 2 36 080  202  2.3 13G 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 00x 97142.112451
19Fb 2 36 080  202  2.3 13G 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 00x 97241.112441
19Ra 2 36 080  198  2.6 12G 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 00x 97197.212351
19Rb 2 36 080  198  2.6 12G 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 00x 97324.212341 

Honda 1977 NC50 Express a is inner, b is outer
14F   2 28 080 143.5 2.3 13G  .45 none  $00 (  ) 23d 42606.147.305
14Ra 2 28 080 143.5 2.3 13G  .45 none  $00 (  ) 23d 42606.147.305
14Rb 2 28 080 143.0 2.3 13G  .45 none  $00 (  ) 23d 42607.147.305
substitute  000  144  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.80 $35 (  ) 26  (143)

Honda 78-79 NC50, 79 NA50 a is inner, b is outer
14F   2 28 080 143.5 2.3 13G  .45 none  $00 (  ) 23d 42606.147.315
14Ra 2 28 080 143.5 2.6-2.3 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 23d 42606.147.315
14Rb 2 28 080 143.0 2.6-2.3 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 23d 42607.147.325
substitute  000  144  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.80 $35 (  ) 26  (143)

Honda 1980 NC50, NA50 a is inner, b is outer
14F   2 28 080 143.5 2.6-2.3 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 23d 42607.147.325
14Ra 2 28 080 143.5 2.6-2.3 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 23d 42607.147.325
14Rb 2 28 080 143.5 2.6-2.3 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 97081.22127.B0
substitute  000  144  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.80 $35 (  ) 26  (143)

Honda 81-83 NC50, 81 NA50 a is inner, b is outer
14F   2 28 080 143.5 2.6-2.3 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 23d 42606.147.315
14Ra 2 28 095 141.0 2.6-2.3 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 23d 42606.191.325
14Rb 2 28 095 140.5 2.6-2.3 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 23d 97081.22121.B0

Honda 82-83 NU50 a is inner, b is outer
16F   2 32 095 163.5 2.9-2.6 0.45 $0.00 $00 (  ) 26j 97192.32167.F0
14Ra 2 28 095 138.0 2.9-2.6 0.45 $4.20 $00 (  ) 26j 97108.32118.F0
14Rb 2 28 095 138.0 2.9-2.6 0.45 $4.20 $00 (  ) 26j 97164.32116.F0

Honda 1978 PA50 Hobbit a is inner, b is outer
17Fa 3 36 080 187.5 2.3 13G  .45 none   $00 (  ) 23d 97087.11215.10
17Fb 3 36 080 187.0 2.3 13G  .45 none   $00 (  ) 23d 97088.11214.10
17Ra 2 36 080 159.5 2.6 12G  .45 $3.80 $00 (  ) 26j  97064.21158.10
17Rb 2 36 080 159.0 2.6 12G  .45 $3.80 $00 (  ) 26j  97060.21158.10
substitute  000  187  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.00 $00
(  ) 26l 24003010
substitute  000  160  2.6-0.0  0.50 $1.50 $40 () 26n 

Honda 79-83 PA50 Hobbit a is inner, b is outer
17Fa 3 36 080 186.0 2.3 13G  .45 none   $00 (  ) 23d 97187.11212.10
17Fb 3 36 080 185.5 2.3 13G  .45 none   $00 (  ) 23d 97088.11211.10
17Ra 2 36 080 157.5 2.6 12G  .45 none   $00 (  ) 26j  97060.21154.10
17Rb 2 36 080 157.0 2.6 12G  .45 none   $00 (  ) 26j  97065.21154.10
substitute  000  187  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.00 $00
(  ) 26l 
substitute  000  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b

Indian 78-81 AMI-50 4-stroke  a is inner, b is outer
17Fa 2 32 090  176  2.9 11G 0.55 $2.50 $00 (  ) 29a W141-00-50 
17Fb 2 32 090  176  2.9 11G 0.55 none   $00 (  ) 29a W142-00-50
17Ra 2 32 090  176  2.9 11G 0.55 $2.50 $00 (  ) 29a W141-00-50
17Rb 2 32 090  176  2.9 11G 0.55 none   $00 (  ) 29a W142-00-50
substitute  000  177  2.6 12G 0.45 $2.50 $00 (  ) 26c

rim xx qty xxlength xxxxx  thread   price 0000 nipple
x↓ cross ↓ drum   ↓  thickness   ↓  /each  /set  mark ↓   type  OEM#

Italian spokes for other wheels not listed 
14   2x 28 090  142  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (A)or(R) odd
16   2x 36 105  151  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.50 $00 (A)or(R) odd
16   2x 36 090  155  2.2-0.0  0.45 $2.50 $00 (A) 22a thin
16   2x 36 090  173  2.2-0.0  0.45 $2.50 $00 (A) 22a thin, only 1

16   3x 36 090  174  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.00 $00 (A) 30c for dimpled
16   3x 36 090  176  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (A)or(R) for flat rim

17   3x 36 090  188  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.00 $00 (A) 30a for dimpled

Jawa 73-82 207 Babetta
16F 2x 36 085  160  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.00 $00 (  ) 26k 074016 inner
16F 2x 36 085  160  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.50 $00 (  ) 26k 074022 outer
16R 2x 36 085  160  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.00 $00 (  ) 26k 074016 inner
16R 2x 36 085  160  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.50 $00 (  ) 26k 074022 outer

Kreidler 77-80 MP9, MP19 Flory
17F 3x 36 080  189  2.3-0.0  0.45 none  $00 () 23b 26501020 chrome 
17R 3x 36 080  190  3.0-2.6  0.50 $4.00 $00 () 26n 26511020 only 1
substitute  000  191  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.90 $43 (  ) 26h

Kynast 77-80 Flying Dutchman   (bigger left rear hub flange)
17F 2x 36 090  170  2.6-0.0  0.50 none  $00 () 26p
17R 2x 36 090  169  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.00 168 () 26p  right
17R 2x 36 090  163  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.00 $00 () 26p  left
substitute  000  169  2.6-0.0  0.50 $1.90 $43 () 26q or(U)

KTM 74-80 Automatik, Foxi Deluxe  (bigger left rear hub flange)
17F 3x 36 090  188  2.5-0.0  0.55 $2.50 $54 (Б) 25a1210071
17R 3x 36 090  192  2.5-0.0  0.55 $3.00 $72 (Б) 25a 1010071 right
17R 3x 36 090  188  2.5-0.0  0.55 $2.50 $54 (Б) 25a 1210071 left

Malaguti 77-80 Commuter
16F 2x 36 090  156  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.80 $00 (A) 25b H46A
16R 3x 36 090  171  2.5-0.0  0.65 $3.50 $00 (A) 25b H46
substitute  000  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b

Motobecane 78-79 Model 7
16F 2x 28 070  173  2.4-2.2  0.55 $2.00 172 (C) 22b 19755
16R 2x 36 070  157  3.0 17J  0.60 none  157 (C) 30e 23041

Motobecane 40, 40T, Traveler
17F 1x 36 080  154  3.0 17J  0.60 $2.50 150 (C) 30e 53582 hi hub011 
17F 2x 36 080  174  3.0 17J  0.60 $1.80 173 (C) 30e 21195 lo hub
17R 2x 36 080  174  3.0 17J  0.60 $1.80 $45 (C) 30e 21195 “173”

Motobecane 50, 50V, Moby
17F 2x 36 080  168  3.0 17J  0.60 $2.00 $45 (C) 30e 19625 hi hub “166”
17R 2x 36 080  174  3.0 17J  0.60 $1.80 $45 (C) 30e 21195 “173”

Negrini Gazelle, MX Sport
16F 2x 36 090  156  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.80 $00 (A) 25b H46A
16R 3x 36 090  171  2.5-0.0  0.65 $3.50 $00 (A) 25b H46
substitute  000  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b

NVT Easy Rider, Scorpion
17F 3x 36 090  188  2.5-0.0  0.65 none  $00 (A) 25b H46D
17R 3x 36 090  188  2.5-0.0  0.65 none  $00 (A) 25b H46D
substitute  000  188  2.5-0.0  0.55 $2.50 $54 (Б) 25a 

Odyssey (Solo)
16F 2x 36 090  153  2.6-0.0  0.50 none  $00 () 26p
16R 2x 36 090  153  2.6-0.0  0.50 none  $00 () 26p

Pacer P1, Sport, Super Sport
16F 2x 36 090  156  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.80 $00 (A) 25d H46A
16R 3x 36 090  171  2.5-0.0  0.65 $3.50 $00 (A) 25d H46
substitute  000  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b

Peugeot 102
17F 1x 28 080  165  2.4 15J  0.55 $1.50 $36 (C)(*)(+) 24a 51492
17R 1x 28 070  172  2.7-2.4  0.55 $2.50 $00 (C) (B)    24a 47143

Peugeot 103
17F 1x 28 080  165  2.4 15J  0.55 $1.50 $36 (C)(*)(+) 24a 51492

17R 1x 28 080  167  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.90 $42 (B)          24a 52951

Puch 76-80 Maxi GN (hard tail, thin rims)
17F 2x 36 080  190  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.50 $00 (  ) 26m

17R 3x 36 080  193  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.50 $00 (  ) 26m

Puch 70-77 Maxi, Newport, 85-86 Maxi (thin rims)
17F 2x 36 080  190  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.50 $00 (  ) 26m

17R 3x 36 080  191  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.00 $00 (  ) 26m 54003010

Puch 78-80 Maxi Luxe, Newport, Newport II, Maxi II (wide rims)
17F 3x 36 080  187  2.6-0.0  0.50 $2.00 $00 (  ) 26l 24003010 
17R 3x 36 080  188  2.6-0.0  0.50 $1.50 $36 (  ) 26l  

Puch 1978 Maxi Luxe (wide rim), ’78-80 Magnum XK
17F 3x 36 080  187  2.5-0.0  0.55 $2.00 $00 (Б) 25a DT stainless
17R 3x 36 080  187  2.5-0.0  0.55 $2.00 $00 (Б) 25a DT stainless

rim xx qty xx length xxxxx  thread   price 0000 nipple
x↓ cross ↓ drum   ↓  thickness   ↓  /each  /set  mark ↓   type  OEM#

Safari 76-78 Super, Super Extra, Cobra ’78-80, 300MT ’91-92
16F 2x 36 090  156  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.80 $00 (A) 25d H46A
16R 2x 36 090  156  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.80 $00 (A) 25d H46A
substitute  000  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b

Safari 78-90 300MT, 400MT ’78
16F 3x 36 090  171  2.5-0.0  0.65 $3.50 $00 (A) 25d H46
16R 3x 36 090  171  2.5-0.0  0.65 $3.50 $00 (A) 25d H46

Sears 1978 Free Spirit (thin rim)
17F 3x 36 080  188  2.6-0.0  0.50 $1.50 $36 (  ) 26l  
17R 3x 36 080  188  2.6-0.0  0.50 $1.50 $36 (  ) 26l  

Sears 54-68 Allstate Mo-Ped
19F 2x 36 090  204  2.5-0.0  0.50 none  $00 (  ) 26l left

19F 2x 36 090  196  2.5-0.0  0.50 none  $00 (  ) 26l right
19R 2x 36 090  204  2.5-0.0  0.50 none  $00 (  ) 26l left
19R 2x 36 090  196  2.5-0.0  0.50 none  $00 (  ) 26l right

Solex 46-55 45, 330
23F 2x 36 000  277  2.4 15J  0.55 none
23R 2x 36 000  277  2.4 15J  0.55 none

Solex 55-58 660, 1010
21F 2x 32 000  252  2.4 15J  0.55 none
21R 2x 32 000  252  2.4 15J  0.55 none

Solex 58-63 1400, 1700, 2200
19F 2x 28 000  225  2.4 15J  0.55 none $00 (C)  24a
19R 2x 28 000  225  2.4 15J  0.55 none $00 (C)  24a
substitute black 225  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.70 $00 (  ) 23c

Solex 64-65? 3300 Atom hubs, ∅70 rear
19F 2x 28 000  225  2.4 15J  0.55 none  $00 (C)  24a
19R 2x 28 070  210  2.4 15J  0.55 none  $00 (C)  24a
substitute  000  211  2.3 13G 0.45 $1.20 $28 (  ) 23c

Solex 65?-74 3300, 3800 Atom hubs, ∅83 rear
19F 2x 28 000  225  2.4 15J  0.55 none  $00 (C) 24a
19R 2x 28 083  210  2.4 15J  0.55 none  $00 (C) 24a
substitute  000  211  2.3 13G 0.45 $1.20 $28 (  ) 23c

Solex 75-86 3800, 4600 Leleu hubs, ∅80 rear
19F 1x 28 000  220  2.4 15J  0.55 $3.00 218 (+)(*) 24a 61358
19R 1x 28 080  190  2.4 15J  0.55 $3.00 $00 (C) 24a 61359
substitute  000  220  2.3 13G 0.45 $2.50 $00 (  ) 23c

Solex 75-79 4600 V2, 4600 V3 Motobecane
19F 1x 28 000  220  2.4 15J  0.55 $3.00 218 (+)(*) 24a 61358
19R 1x 28 080  190  2.7-2.4  0.55 $3.00 $00 (C)  24a 61359
substitute  000  220  2.3 13G 0.45 $2.50 $00 (  ) 23c

Solex 71-82 5000, Pli-Solex (folder)
16F 1x 28 000  179  2.4 15J  0.55 none  $00 (*) 24a 61799
16R 1x 28 080  152  2.4 15J  0.55 none  $00 (*) 24a 61798 
16R 1x 28 080  152  2.7-2.4  0.55 none  $00 (*) 24a (7027300 on)
substitute  000  152  2.7-0.0  0.55 $2.50 $00 (A) 27a

Sparta 76-80 Foxi GT, Buddy, Lucky, Flying Dutchman
16F 2x 36 080  160  2.3-0.0  0.45 $1.00 $27 ()or(U) 055005  
16R 2x 36 080  160  2.6-0.0  0.50 $1.50 $40 () 26n 055506 
16R 2x 36 080  160  3.0-2.6  0.50 $2.00 $54 () 26n upgrade

Suzuki 81-90 FA50 Shuttle
14F 2x 28 080  144  2.6 12G 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 55320-02202 set#
14R 2x 28 080  144  2.6 12G 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 55320-02202 set#
substitute  000  144  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.80 $35 (  ) 26  (143)

Tomos 74-78 Automatic A3
16F 2x 36 090  155  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.50 $00 (A) 25c 207079
16R 2x 36 090  155  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.50 $00 (A) 25c 207079
substitute  000  156  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.70 $45 () 24a,24b

Tomos 78-83 Bullet (A3)
16F 2x 36 090  154  2.7-0.0  0.55 $3.00 $00 (A) 27a 213534
16R 2x 36 090  154  2.7-0.0  0.55 $3.00 $00 (A) 27a 213534

Tomos 84-91 Bullet (A3)
16F 2x 36 090  152  2.7-0.0  0.55 $2.50 $00 (A) 27a 21913500
16R 2x 36 090  152  2.7-0.0  0.55 $2.50 $00 (A) 27a 219135

Tomos 02-03 Revival (A35)  R is right, L is left
17F 1x 36 000  182  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.00 180 (A) 30c 232798 R
17F 1x 36 000  182  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.00 180 (A) 30c 232798 L inner

17F 1x 36 000  178  3.0-0.0  0.60 none  176 (A) 30c 226799 L outer
16R 1x 36 118  167  3.0-0.0  0.60 none  160 (A) 30c 232814 L

16R 1x 36 118  150  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.00 149 (A) 30c 232733 R
substitute  000  167  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.30 $00 (  ) 32c outer

Tomos 04-13 Revival TS (A55), Streetmate
17F 2x 36 000  178  3.0-0.0  0.60 none  176 (A) 30a 243170
16R 2x 36 105  148  3.0-0.0  0.60 none  145 (A) 30c 233147
substitute  000  148  2.9 11G 0.55 $3.00 $00 (  ) 29b outer
substitute  000  177  3.5 09G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (jw)32a or(  )

Trac 82-90 Clipper, Eagle, Hawk, Escot, Sprint
16Fa 2 32 090  159  2.6 12G  0.45  none  158 () 26d 25506
16Fb 2 32 090  159  2.6 12G  0.45  none  158 () 26d 25505
16Ra 2 32 090  160  2.6 12G  0.45 $2.00 $44 () 26d 25578

16Rb 2 32 090  160  2.6 12G  0.45 $2.50 $54 () 26d 25577

Trac 84-90 Olympic, Liberty  a is inner, b is outer
17Fa 2 36 110  160  2.6 12G  0.45 none  $00 (  )  26d 25006
17Fb 2 36 110  160  2.6 12G  0.45 none  $00 (  )  26d 25007
17Ra 2 36 110  160  2.9 11G  0.55 $2.00 $00 (  )  29b 25054
17Rb 2 36 110  160  2.9 11G  0.55 $2.50 $00 (  )  29b 25055

Trac 87-88 DH100 Superhawk  a is inner, b is outer
17Fa 2 36 110  174  2.6 12G  0.45 $2.00 $00 () 26d 35503
17Fb 2 36 110  174  2.6 12G  0.45 $2.00 $00 () 26d 35504
17Ra 2 36 110  159  3.2 10G  0.60 none  $00 () 32c 35604
17Rb 2 36 110  159  3.2 10G  0.60 none  $00 () 32c 35605
substitute  000  160  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (  ) 32a

Vespa 74-80 Ciao C7N, C7E, C7V
17F 2x 28 090  182  2.5-0.0  0.65 $2.00 $00 (A) 25b 142826  nut#101830

17R 2x 36 135  160  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.00 $00 (A) 30a 114501 ’70s zinc
17R 2x 36 135  160  3.0-0.0  0.60 none  $00 (A) 30c 114501 ’90s zinc
substitute  000  160  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (  ) 32a

Vespa 77-80 Bravo EEV
16F 2x 28 090  167  2.5-0.0  0.65 none  $00 (R) 25b 136111, nut#
16R 2x 36 135  145  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.00 $00 (A) 30b 114223, nut#114216
substitute  000  145  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (B) 32b
substitute  000  167  2.7-2.4  0.55 $1.90 $42 (B) 24a 52951

Vespa 78-80 Grande 048
17F 2x 36 105  160  3.0-0.0  0.60 $4.50 $00 (A) 30b G68609 painted silver
16R 2x 36 135  145  3.0-0.0  0.60 $3.00 $00 (A) 30b 114223, nut#114216
substitute  000  145  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (B) 32b
substitute  000  160  3.2 10G 0.65 $2.50 $00 (  ) 32a

Yamaha 79-80 QT50 Yamahopper
14F 2x 28 080  144  2.6 12G 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 3L5.251.0400 set#
14R 2x 28 080  144  2.6 12G 0.45 none  $00 (  ) 3L5.251.0400 set#
substitute  000  144  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.80 $35 (  ) 26  (143)

Yamaha 80-90 QT50, MJ50 ’82
14F 2x 28 080  144  2.9-2.6  0.45 none  $00 (  ) 3L5.251.0401 set#
14R 2x 28 080  144  2.9-2.6  0.45 none  $00 (  ) 3L5.251.0401 set#
substitute  000  144  2.6 12G 0.45 $1.80 $35 (  ) 26  (143)

 

 


3. Spoke Nipples

Vintage moped spokes have many thread sizes, so that the nipples do not usually interchange. Besides thread, spoke nipples can have different widths for different rim holes. The information below explains all of the variety. Hopefully, shops and individuals that have nipple-less spokes or spoke-less nipples will understand why, and maybe find matches. 

 



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  2.0 Spoke 14 Gauge
20a  3.95 (  )  2.23-0.45 (  ) bicycle, there are also others
20b  3.85 (  )  2.23-0.45 (  ) bike long, for deep double-wall rims



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  2.2 Spoke 14 Jauge Française

22a  4.50 (A)  2.45-0.45 (A) Alpina some 70’s Italian front
22b  4.45 hex  2.45-0.45 (*) French  hex head
22c  4.95 ()  2.45-0.45 (R) Redaelli  mark is a hexagon



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  2.3 Spoke 
13 Gauge
23a  4.95 (U 2.55-0.45 (U) Union  70’s Hercules 2-chain
23b  4.95 ( 2.55-0.45 () Berg xx  Union = Berg
23c  4.15 (  )  2.55-0.45 (  ) generic    modern replacement
23d  4.65 (  )  2.55-0.45 (  ) Hon.
slot   Honda slot head
23e  4.65 (  )  2.55-0.45 (  ) Hon.phil   Honda phillips



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  2.4 Spoke
15 Jauge Française
24a  4.60 hex  2.65-0.55 (C) French  hex  70’s Motobecane front, Peugeot F&R
24b  4.95 (s s)2.65-0.55 (*) French  some 70’s Solex, some MB “7” fron


.
nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  2.5 Spoke 2.5 Calibro Italiano

25a  4.95 (Б)  2.75-0.55 (Б) DT Swiss 70’s Austrian KTM, some Puch
25b  4.95 (A)  2.75-0.65 (A) Alpinax  many 70’s Italian,  Vespa 101830
25c  4.95 (A)  2.75-0.65 (A) Alpinax  same except chamfer, 1974-77 Tomos
25d  4.95 (A)  2.75-0.65 (A) Alp.flat   70’s Italian, many brands
25e  4.95 ()  2.75-0.65 (R) Redaelli same as 25b, nipple mark is a hexagon



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  2.6
Spoke 12 G = 0.105″
26a  (  ) 4.70  2.85-0.45 (  ) bicycle,heavy duty spokes
26b  () 5.05  2.85-0.45 () Union, Taiwan style
26c  (  ) 4.80  2.85-0.45 (  ) Taiwan  80’s General, Lazer
26d  (  ) 5.05  2.85-0.45 () Korean 80’s Trac 
26e (s s)4.60  2.85-0.45 (Δ) unknown
26f  (C) 4.65  2.85-0.45 (  ) USA dark76-83 Columbia
26g  (Ð) 4.55  2.85-0.45 (  ) unknown
26h  (o) 4.90  2.85-0.45 (  ) unknown
26i   () 4.55  2.85-0.45 () USA dark ’78-83 AMF 
26j   (  ) 5.10  2.85-0.45 (  Honda   NC50, PA5, others



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  2.6 Spoke M3-0.50 metric

26k (  ) 5.60  2.85-0.50 (  ) Czech 70’s Jawa xxxxx xxxxx xxx
26l  hex 5.40  2.85-0.50 (  ) Puch most 70’s Puch 349.140.0311
26m(  ) 5.50  2.85-0.50 (  ) Puch some 70’s Puch xxxxx
26n () 4.95  2.85-0.50 () Berg  thin, for Ø5.3 holes, 70’s Sparta
26o (U) 5.05  2.85-0.50 (U) Union thin, same as Berg xxxx
26p () 4.95  2.85-0.50 () Berg flat  thin flat, for Ø5.3 holes
26q () 5.40  2.85-0.50 () Berg wide  wide, for Ø5.8 holes, 70’s Bat. F 
26r () 4.55  2.85-0.50 () Berg long  thin long, for short spokes
26s () 5.40  2.85-0.50 () Berg w.fl.  wide flat   (not shown)



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  2.75 Spoke 2.75 Calibro Italiano

27a (A) 5.40  2.95-0.55 (A) Alpina  ’78-91 Tomos



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  2.9 Spoke 11 Gauge

29a (  ) 5.00  3.15-0.55 (  ) Taiwan ’78-83 Indian
29b (  ) 5.05  3.15-0.55 (  ) Taiwan   
29c (E) 5.60  3.15-0.60 (M) Spain says E C E, 70’s-80’s Derbi



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  3.0 Spoke 3.0 Italiano, 18J Française

30a (A) 5.90  3.25-0.60 (A) Alpina    70s-80s Italian, 70s-80s Vespa 114216
30b (A) 5.90  3.25-0.60 (A) Alp dark, same but dark finish
30c (A) 5.90  3.25-0.60 (A) Alp. flat  90s-00s Tomos, 90s-00s Vespa 164591
30  (A) 5.90  3.25-0.60 (A) Alp. flat   30c replaced 30a in the 1990’s
30d () 5.45  3.33-0.60 () Berg w.   for Ø5.84 holes, 70’s Bat. R M3.5-0.6
30e hex 5.40  3.25-0.60 (C) French   70’s Motobecane rear 17859
30f  (  ) 5.25  3.25-0.60 (Δ) “Delta”   unknown, Asia style Euro thread nipple
30g () 6.15  3.25-0.65 (R) Redaelli like 30a, but 0.65 thread, mark is a hex.
30h  nipple 3.25 – 0.65  (R) Redaelli
70’s Italian heavy duty, Garelli VIP



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  3.2 Spoke
 10 Gauge

32a (  )5.85  3.45-0.65 (  ) generic x for replacement spokes
32b (  )5.85  3.45-0.65 (  ) Honda x1970’s Honda CB200
32c (  )0.00  3.45-0.65 (  ) Korean  80’s Trac, 80’s AMS
32d (  )0.00  3.45-0.65 (  ) Taiwan 
32e (  )0.00  3.45-0.65 (  ) Yamaha 1978 Yamaha YZ100



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  3.5 Spoke
 9 Gauge

35a (  ) 6.60  3.75-0.65 (  ) Taiwan  or Japan
35b (  ) 0.00  3.75-0.65(  ) generic xfor replacement spokes



nipple ∅ mark   thread spoke  4.0 Spoke
  8? Gauge

40a  0.00  4.30-0.80

 

 

 


4. Spoke Threads and Gauges

Standards: In the 1800’s the world’s steel wire manufacturers developed standards for wire products like spokes or nails. Each country chose one of several standards for wire size (thickness). For spokes, the thread style and pitch, were also chosen to follow each country’s thread standards. 

Families: A “family” of spokes is made of many different lengths, with several different threads and thicknesses, that all obey the same standards. In vintage mopeds, the main spoke families are USA, Japan, Germany, France, and Italy. What family a spoke is in matters when the nipple is missing. A nipple from one family will often not fit a similar sized spoke from a different family. Or it might fit loosely and then fail later by stripping off the threads.

Gauge: This word means two things, 1) the size of a particular wire, and 2) the set of all wire sizes. So when you say the wire gauge you have to specify the wire “gauge” also. So a wire spoke from a Harley Davidson might be a “9 gauge spoke (US Steel Wire Gauge)”. But if it’s from a Honda it would be a “9 gauge spoke (British Standard Wire Gauge). The two 9 gauge spokes have slightly different thicknesses. They both are 9 gauge but belong to different gauges. That’s confusing! 

Gauge numbers get larger as wire size gets smaller. This backward numbering originated in the 1700’s, from the drawing of a cold steel rod through smaller and smaller holes. With each pass through a smaller die hole, the rod gets thinner and longer. The original gauge was the number of passes it took to make the wire. That’s why smaller wires have bigger gauge numbers.

Rolled threads: Spokes have rolled threads, rather than cut threads. Rolled threads have thread tops higher than the plain spoke (thread diameter greater than wire diameter). Rolled threads can be any diameter, for any wire diameter. The different wire diameters, and the different thread pitches, is why there are so many different vintage moped spoke threads. 

 

Moped Spoke Families and Thread Sizes

 US Steel Wire Gauge (aka Washburn & Moen)
used by USA on American mopeds: Columbia and AMF 
  14 13 12 11 10 0   9  0   8    gauge
2.03  2.32  2.68  3.06  3.43  3.77  4.11  thickness

0.45  0.45  0.45  0.53  0.60  0.63  0.79  thread


 British Standard Wire Gauge (aka Imperial)
used by England, Japan, Taiwan,
most other vintage spokes and most modern spokes
  14 0  13 0  12 0  11 0  10 0   9  0   8    gauge

2.03  2.34  2.64  2.95  3.25  3.66  4.06  thickness
0.45  0.45  0.45  0.55  0.65  0.65  0.80  thread


  Jauge de Paris 1857 (French Wire Gauge)
used by France on Motobecane, Peugeot and Solex
  13 0  14 0  15 0  16 0  17 0  18 0  19   gauge

2.00  2.20  2.40  2.70  3.00  3.40  3.90  thickness
0.45  0.45  0.55  0.55  0.60  0.60  0.80  thread 


  Imperial/Metrische (Imperial & Metric Thread) 
used by Germany, Austria, Holland, Czechia
on Kreidler, Kynast, Solo, Sparta, Batavus,
Hercules (Sachs), Jawa, KTM, Puch

 
14 0  13 0  M3   M3.5  M4   M4.5   M5  gauge
2.03  2.34  2.58  3.03  3.45  3.91  4.40  thickness

0.45  0.45  0.50  0.60  0.70  0.75  0.80  thread


  Calibro per Filo Metrico (Metric Wire Gauge)
used by Italy, Slovenia  on Tomos, Vespa, Safari, Testi
Cimatti, Garelli, Malaguti, Pacer and 25 other brands
2.00  2.25 .2.50  2.75
 3.00   M4   M4.5  gauge
2.00  2.25  2.50  2.75  3.00  3.50  4.00  thickness

0.45  0.45  0.65  0.65  0.60  0.70  0.75  thread
0.45  0.45  0.65  0.  or 0.65  



  DT Swiss (vintage) spoke threads
used by
Switzerland on KTM and some Puch
2.00
  2.25  2.50   
thickness
0.45  0.45  0.55   thread


  Derbi (vintage) spoke threads
used by Spain on Derbi
2.00  2.25  2.50  2.95   thickness

0.45  0.45  0.65  0.60   thread

 

 

 


5. Spoke Length Calculation

Calculation allows error checking. Reported spoke lengths must agree with calculated spoke lengths. When they disagree, an error is exposed. Then the specifications are checked and the erroneous one is found and corrected. Most, but not all, spokes in the Spokes for Sale List above have been verified correct by calculation.

Calculation allows predicting. When changing hubs, rims, or spoke patterns, the spoke length changes. The new length can be predicted by calculation. 

Left and right spoke lengths can be calculated separately, for hubs with uneven flange radii Hr or depths Hd.

Rim holes can be staggered, with separate left and right rim hole planes.

Hub holes must be staggered, with left holes half way between right holes, to make all spokes equal length. Otherwise spokes are 2 long, 2 short, 2 long, 2 short, etc. That happens when pressed together steel hubs get twisted (from torque on one side only). 

 

Definitions:

rim (in inches) = rim size = diameter at tire seat
Rd = rim depth, spoke end to tire seat
Rr (in mm) = rim radius at spoke rim-end
Hr (in mm) = hub radius at spoke hub-end
h = # of spokes
x = # of crosses
Hd (in mm) = hub depth, hub hole plane to rim hole plane
L (in mm) = spoke length

 

Calculations:

θ is calculated from the # of spokes h and the cross pattern x.
θ = 2*3.14*x/(h/2) = 12.56*x/h

Rr is calculated from rim size rim, and rim depth Rd.
Rr
(in mm) = (rim*25.4)/2 –Rd = rim*12.7-Rd

Lr is calculated from Hr, Rr and θ by the Law of Cosines.
Lr² = Rr² + Hr² – 2*Lr*Hr*cos(θ)

L is calculated from Lr and Hd by the Pythagorean theorem.
L² = Hd² + Lr²

The plane of the rim holes contains
a triangle with sides Rr , Hr  and Lr.

Perpendicular to that is a right triangle
with sides Lr, Hd and hypotenuse L.

 

 


6. Calculated Lengths

Here 72 different moped spoke lengths are calculated and compared with listed or actual lengths. For most there is good agreement. The lengths are colored green. Only two disagree for unknown reasons. Those lengths are colored red. 

Following that 22 Solex spoke lengths are calculated and compared with several sources. For most there is good agreement.

 

h x   rim  Rd   Hr 0 Hd  L(calc) L(listed)
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Leleu Ø70, front 46x20, rear 46x20 hubs
(actual Hr is 44, but spoke holes are paired with
uneven spacing, so that the equivalent Hr is 46)
28   1   17  6.0  46.0  20  170.8  171  R Peugeot 102
36   2   16  7.0  46.0  23  165.3  168  R-right Batavus VA
36   2   16  7.0  46.0  17  164.5  165  R-left   Batavus VA
36   2   16  6.0  46.0  20  165.8  167  R Motobecane 7
28   2   16  6.0  46.0  20  173.4  173  F Motobecane 7

Taiwan Ø80, front 49x15, rear 51.5x20 hubs
32   2   17  7.5  49.0  15  177.8  177  F General, small hub
32   2   17  6.5  49.0  15  178.8  179  F Angel, Speed Bird
32   3   17  7.5  51.5  20  195.6 
000 unknown application
32   2   17  7.5  51.5  20  176.4  177  R General, small hub
32   2   17  6.5  51.5  20  177.9  179  R Angel, Speed Bird

Leleu Ø80 front 52x18, rear 52x23, 52x29 hubs
28   1   16  7.5  52.0  23  152.3  152  R Solex 5000

28   1   17  6.5  52.0  18  165.1  165  F Peugeot 103, 102
28   1   17  6.5  52.0  29  166.6  167  R Peugeot 103
28   1   19  7.5  52.0  23  189.7  190  R Solex 4600
28   2   16  7.0  52.0  18  169.7  169  F Batavus VA
28   2   16  7.0  52.0  29  171.2  173  R Batavus Regency

36   2   17  6.5  52.0
  18  173.7  175  F Motobecane
36   2   16  8.0  52.0
  18  160.0  160  F Sparta Foxi
36   2   16  8.0  52.0  29  161.5  160  R Sparta Foxi
36   2   17  6.5  52.0  29  175.2  175  R Motobecane
36   2   17  8.0  52.0  29  173.8  173  R Puch (hard tail)

36   3   17  8.0  52.0
  18  188.3  188  F Puch (thin rim)
36   3   17  9.5  52.0
  18  186.8  187  F Puch (wide rim
36   3   17  8.0  52.0
  29  189.6  188  R Puch (thin rim)
36   3   17  9.5  52.0
  29  188.1  187  R Puch (wide rim)
36   3   17  7.0  52.0  29  190.6  190  R Kreidler Flory

Yuan Ta Ø90 front 57.5x20, rear 57.5x23 hubs
32   2   17  9.0  57.5  20  172.2  172  F AMS

32   2   17 
7.5  57.5  20  173.8  175  F Indian
32   2   17  7.5  57.5  23  174.1  175  R Indian
32   2   16 
8.5  57.5  20  160.5  160  F Trac
32   2   16  8.5  57.5  23  160.9  160  R Trac

Grimeca Ø90 front 56.5x20, rear 56.5x20 hubs
28   2   14  9.0  56.5  20  142.1  142  F&R Italian mini

28   2   16  9.0  56.5  20  166.1  167  F Vespa Bravo
28   2   17  6.0  56.5  20  181.2
  182  F Vespa Ciao
36   2   16  9.0  56.5  20  156.5  156  F&R Italian wheels H-46A

36   2   16  9.0
 56.5  20  156.5  156  F Garelli Super Sport
36   3   16  7.0  56.5  20  172.1  172  F&R Italian wheels H-46
36   3   16  9.0  56.5  20  174.1  173  F&R Italian wheels H-46B
36   3   17  9.0  56.5  20  186.3  188  F&R Italian wheels H-46D
36   2   17  7.5  56.5  20  170.2  170  F Kynast Flying Dutchman
36   3   17  6.0  56.5  20  189.3  190  F Hercules (thin rim)
36   3   17  8.5  56.5  20  186.8  186  F Hercules (wide rim)
36   3   17  7.5  56.5  20  187.8  188  F KTM Foxi

36   3   17  9.0  56.5  20  186.3  187  F Garelli Super Sport

Grimeca Ø90 wide rear 59x29, 59×64x29, 59×64x36 hubs
36   2   17 10.5 59.0  29  167.1  168  R-right Kynast
36   2   17 10.5 64.0  29 
165.2  163  R-left Kynast (bigger left flange)
36   3   17  6.5  59.0  26  188.8  190  R-right Hercules (2-chain)
36   3   17  6.5  64.0  32  188.6  188  R-left Hercules (bigger left flange)
36   3   17  6.5  59.0  34  190.1  192  R-right KTM Foxi
36   3   17  6.5  64.0  38  189.7  188  R-left KTM (bigger left flange)
36   3   16  9.0  59.0  29  174.8  174  R Garelli Rally Sport, Super Sport
36   3   17  9.0  59.0  29  187.3  188  R Garelli Rally Sport, Super Sport

Tomos Ø90 front 62x20, 65x20, rear 62x23, 65x23 hubs
36   2   16  8.0
  62.0  20  154.3  155  F Tomos A3 ’74-78
36   2   16  8.0  62.0  20  154.3  154  F Tomos A3 ’79-83
36   2   16  8.0  65.0  20  152.6  152  F Tomos A3 ’84-91 black
36   2   16  8.0  62.0  23  154.7  155  R Tomos A3 ’74-78
36   2   16  8.0  62.0  23  154.7  154  R Tomos A3 ’79-83
36   2   16  8.0  65.0  23  153.0  152  R Tomos A3 ’84-91 black

Grimeca Ø105 front 63.5x20, 63.5x29, 69x20, rear 63.5x27, 69x26
36   3   16  9.0  63.5  20  172.6  173 
F HD Garelli Gulp
36   3   17  9.0  63.5  20  184.6  187 
F HD Garelli VIP
36   3   17  9.5  63.5  29  185.4  185 
F HD Columbia (tube frame)
36   3   17  9.5  63.5  27  185.0  185 
R HD Columbia (tube frame)
36   3   17  9.5  69.0  20  183.0  185 
F HD Columbia (sheet frame)
36   3   17  9.5  69.0  26  183.8  185 
R HD Columbia (sheet frame)
36   2   17 10.5 69.0  20  160.1  160 
F HD Vespa Grande

Tomos Ø105 rear 69x23 hub
36   2   16 10.5 69.0  23  148.5  148  R Tomos Streetmate 233147

Taiwan Ø110 front 67x20, rear 67x23 hubs
36   2   17  9.5  67.5  20  161.9  162  F Trac Liberty, Olympic
36   2   17  9.5  67.5  23  162.2  162  R Trac Liberty, Olympic
36   2   17  9.0  67.5  23  162.7  162  R AMS Sierra 50

Vespa Ø137 rear 76x24 hub
36   2   16 10.5 76.0  24  145.1  145  R Vespa Grande
36   2   16  9.0  76.0  24  146.4  145  R Vespa Bravo
36   2   17  6.0  76.0  24  161.1  160  R Vespa Ciao

 

 

Solex Spokes

Lcalc is spoke length calculated from h, x, rim, Rd, Hr, Hd.
Llist is spoke length listed officially or measured directly.
Lma is spoke length from The Moped Archive.
Ltrl  is spoke length from Treatland.
Lss  is spoke length from
Solexshop.

h   x rim  Rd  Lcalc Llist Lma Ltrl  Lss  ’46-55 45-330
36 2 584 3.0 275.1 000 277 000 000 Atom  rear 20x25 .
36 2 584 3.0 270.0 000 270 000 000 coast. rear 27x25 .
36 2 584 3.0 276.2 000 277 000 000 Atom front 20x35 .

h   x rim  Rd  Lcalc Llist Lma Ltrl  Lss  ’55-58 660-1010
32 2 534 3.0 251.5 000 252 000 253 Atom  rear 20x25 .
32 3 534 3.0 256.1
 000 000 255 256 coast. rear 27x25 .
32 2 534 3.0 252.7 000 252 000 253 Atom front 20x35 .

h   x rim  Rd  Lcalc Llist Lma Ltrl  Lss  ’58-63 1400-2200
28 2 484 7.0 224.5 000 225 225 225 Atom  rear 20x25 .
36 2 484 7.0 216.5 000 000 218 216 coast. rear 27x25 .

28 2 484 7.0 225.8 000 225 225 225 Atom front 20x35 .

h   x rim  Rd  Lcalc Llist Lma Ltrl  Lss  ’64-66 3300
28 2 484 7.0 210.9 000 000 000 210 Ø70    rear 46x25 .
36 2 484 7.0 216.5 000 000 
218 216 coast. rear 27x25 .
28 2 484 7.0 225.8 000 225 225 225 Atom front 20x35

h   x rim  Rd  Lcalc Llist Lma Ltrl  Lss  ’66-74 3300-3800
28 2 484 7.0 208.1 000 000 000 210 Ø83    rear 52x25 .
36 2 484 7.0 216.5 000 000 218 216 coast. rear 27x25 .

28 2 484 7.0 225.8 000 225 225 225 Atom front 20x35 .

h   x rim  Rd  Lcalc Llist Lma Ltrl  Lss  ’75-86 3800-4600
28 1 484 7.0 191.1 190 000 192 190 Ø80    rear 52x25 .
36 2 484 7.0 216.5 000 000 218 216 coast. rear 27x25 .

28 1 484 7.0 220.0 220 000 218 220 Leleu front 20x35 .

 x rim  Rd  Lcalc Llist Lma Ltrl  Lss 71-74 5000, Pli Solex
28 1 406 8.5 151.4
152 160 000 000 Ø83    rear 52x25 .
28 1 406 8.5 180.1 179 179 000 000 Atom front 20x35 .

 x rim  Rd  Lcalc Llist Lma Ltrl  Lss 75-82 5000, Pli Solex
28 1 406 8.5 151.4 152 160 000 000 Ø80    rear 52x25 .
28 1 406 8.5 180.1 179 179 000 000
Leleu front 20x35 .