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July 14, 2014

Myrons Mopeds Spokes 2019
108 spoke varieties in thin boxes
mostly original for 70’s mopeds

Contents: 

1. How to Use
2. Application Chart
3. Spokes for Sale
4. Spoke Nipples
5. Spoke Threads
6. Length Calculation

 

 

 

1. How to Use

A. Look up the brand and model in the Application Chart. Find the original spoke length, thickness, and thread.

B. Measure the spoke length with a metric ruler or tape. See below for the meaning of spoke length, and how it is a little less than total length. Note that the rim end of installed spokes is about 2 mm past the outer surface of the rim.

C: Verify the measured length and the listed length are the same or close to the same. This prevents errors from wheels that have been swapped or re-spoked, or from confusing, mistaken or unknown model names.

D. Look up the spoke length in the Spokes for Sale list. Find the price and availability. 

 

Length is to the center of the head, for 90° bend.

Spoke length can be measured from different points in the head, such as the inner curve, the outer curve, or total length. So some spec sheets might list the same spoke as slightly different lengths. Besides that, spokes can be a little longer or shorter and still work fine, as long as the original spoke was not already short or long. For example, pre-1977 Puch Maxi spec is 191mm, while 1977-later is 188mm, with the same rim and hub. A 1/16 inch (1.6mm) more or less is no big deal. Here, with bicycle style 90 degree bend spokes, we use the center of the head as the length end point, which is why it’s often 1-2mm different than manufacturer specification. With motorcycle style inner (less than 90 degree) and outer (more than 90 degree) types, we use the 90 degree equivalent. This way inners and outers have the same length. Otherwise inners are longer because they have less bend.

Spoke thickness usually goes by wire gauge, where 14g=2.0 mm, 13g=2.3, 12g=2.6, 11g=2.9, 10g=3.2, 9g=3.6, 8g=4.0 mm. French spokes have a different wire gauge (Jauge de Paris of 1857), where 13J=2.0, 14J=2.2, 15J=2.4, 16J=2.7, 17J=3.0 mm. Italian spokes are always in even millimeters, like 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5.

Spoke threads Most spokes have rolled threads, where the thread tops are raised higher and the diameter is greater than the plain spoke. Most rolled spoke threads do not match any metric screw. Some spokes have cut threads, or thinner ends, with thread tops lower than the plain spoke. So there are many different thread variations. Because of this, for most of these vintage spokes, the maker of the nipples (nuts) must match the maker of the spoke. For most, the ID mark on the spoke must match the ID mark on the nut. 

Thread pitch Here the meaning of “thread” is the width of one thread, in mm. Italian spokes have coarse thread (0.65 for Ø2.5, 0.65 or 0.60 for  Ø3.0), French spokes have medium thread (0.55 for Ø2.4 and Ø2.7, 0.60 for Ø3.0). Japan, Taiwan, and Korean spokes have fine thread (0.45 for Ø2.3 and Ø2.6, or 0.55 for Ø2.9 or 0.65 for Ø3.2). German spokes have fine thread (0.45 for Ø2.3, 0.45 or 0.50 for Ø2.6, or 0.65 for Ø3.0). Swiss spokes have French threads with Italian diameters. 

Spoke head logos (ID marks). See more here

ID marks: Most moped spokes have a logo or ID mark that raises out of the spoke head. They are listed as (A) Alpina or (R) Redaelli = Italian, (Δ) = delta, () or () 3-dot = Asian, (Б) DT = Swiss, () Berg or (U) Union = German, (C) (B) (*) (+) or (Я) = French. Replacement spokes with the same thickness and same ID mark, have the same thread, so they screw into the same nut. That allows easy replacement, re-using the old nut, without even deflating the tire. 

Substitutes: Many original spokes are not available, where the price says “none”. They are for reference only, not for sale, but included so that a close enough substitute can be found. If the original spoke for your bike is not available, then first look how far into the nipples your original spoke are, to see how much longer or shorter the spokes could be. Then remove one to precisely measure it’s length. Use the drawings above to know how. Then look for a spoke a little longer (or shorter) that would substitute. A thicker one is better, but may require precise drilling of the rim hole and sometimes the hub hole. A thinner one would need a tight fitting washer to prevent the smaller nipple from pulling through the rim hole.

 


2. Application Chart

000 F R O N T   W H E E L 0000    xx00000R E A R   W H E E L
rim xx qty xxx type xx thickness xxxxxxxx rim xx qty xxx type xx thickness x
↓ cross ↓ drum  ↓  length  ↓  thread xxxxxx ↓ cross ↓ drum  ↓  length  ↓  thread xx Make and Model(s)


16″ 3x 36 090 renni  173  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni  173  2.6  0.45  AMF Roadmaster

17″ 2x 32 090 inner  172  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 inner  162  3.2  0.65  AMS Sierra 50 (step thru)
17″ 2x 32 090 outerx172  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 outerx162  3.2  0.65

17″ 2x 32 090 inner  172  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 inner  162  2.6  0.45  AMS Tahoe 50 (top tank)
17″ 2x 32 090 outerx172  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 outerx162  2.6  0.45

17″ 2x 32 080 renni  179  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 32 080 renni  179  2.6  0.45  Angel and Speed Bird

16″ 2x 28 080 renni  169  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 070 rightx 168  3.0  0.60  Batavus VA,HS50,Starflite
16″ 2x 28 080 inner  169  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 o70   leftx 165  3.0  0.60  BatavusBronco, Mobat

16″ 2x 28 080 renni  169  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 080 renni  173  3.0  0.60  Batavus Regency
B
16″ 2x 36 090 renni  156  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 090 renni  156  2.5  0.65  Cimatti City Bike, Town Bike

17″ 3x 36 105 renni  185  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 105 renni  185  2.6  0.45  Colombia Commuter (1 chain)
17″ 3x 36 105 renni  185  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 105 renni  185  2.6  0.45  Col Open Road, Mopet (2 chain)

16″ 2x 36 090 renni  156  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni  174  2.5  0.65  Garelli Eureka, Sport
16″ 2x 36 090 renni  155  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni  174  3.0  0.65  Garelli Sport HD
G
16″ 2x 36 090 renni  156  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni  174  2.5  0.65  Garelli Rally Sport, Gran Sport
17″ 3x 36 090 renni  187  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090 renni  188  2.5  0.65  same but 17″ rims

16″ 2x 36 090 renni  156  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni  174  2.5  0.65  Garelli Super Sport 
17″ 3x 36 090 renni  187  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 173x 36 090 renni  187  2.5  0.65  same but 17″ rims

16″ 3x 36 105 renni  173  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 105 renni  174  2.5  0.65  Garelli Gulpmatic
G
16″ 3x 36 105 renni  173  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 105 renni  174  3.0  0.65  Garelli VIP
17″ 3x 36 105 renni  187  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 17” 3x 36 105 renni  188  3.0  0.65  same but 17″ rims

17″ 2x 32 080  inner 177  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 32 080  inner 172  2.6  0.45  General, Lazer, others,
17″ 2x 32 080  outer 177  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 32 080  outer 172  2.6  0.45

17″ 3x 36 090 renni  190  2.3  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090  right  190  2.3  0.45  Hercules sheet-frame w/504
17″ 3x 36 090 renni  190  2.3  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090   left   188  2.3  0.45  (bigger left rear hub flange) 

17″ 3x 36 090 renni  186  2.3  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090 renni  186  2.3  0.45  Hercules tube-frame w/505

14″ 2x 28 080 renni  144  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 14″ 2x 28 080 renni  144  2.6  0.45  Honda NC50, NA50
H
17″ 3x 36 080 renni  188  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 080 renni  160  2.6  0.45  Honda PA50 Hobbit
H
17″ 2x 32 090  inner 175  2.9  0.55 xxxxx 17″ 2x 32 090  inner 175  2.9  0.55  Indian AMI-50 4-stroke
17″ 2x 32 090  outer 175  2.9  0.55 xxxxx 17″ 2x 32 090  outer 175  2.9  0.55

16″ 2x 36 085 renni  160  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 085 renni  160  2.6  0.50  Jawa 207 Babetta
J
17″ 3x 36 080 renni  189  2.3  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 ren  190 3.0-2.6 .50  Kreidler MP9 Flory
J
17″ 2x 36 090 renni  170  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 090  right  169  2.6  0.50  Kynast Flying Dutchman
17″ 2x 36 090 renni  170  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 090   left   163  2.6  0.50  (bigger left rear hub flange) 

17″ 3x 36 090 renni  188  2.5  0.55 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090  right  192  2.5  0.55  KTM Foxi Deluxe, Salsberg
17″ 3x 36 090 renni  188  2.5  0.55 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090   left   188  2.5  0.55  (bigger left rear hub flange) 

16″ 2x 36 090 renni  156  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni  171  2.5  0.65  Malaguti Commuter
M
16″ 2x 28 070 renni  173 2.4-2.2 0.55 xx  16″ 2x 36 070 renni  167  3.0  0.60  Motobecane 7

17″ 1x 36 080 Mhub 152  3.0  0.60 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 080 renni  173  3.0  0.60  Motobecane 40 (with MB big F hub)
17″ 2x 36 080 L.hub 173  3.0  0.60 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 080 renni  173  3.0  0.60 Mobylette 40, Traveler (Leleu hubs)

17″ 2x 36 080 Mhub 165  3.0  0.60 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 080 renni  175  3.0  0.60  Motobecane 50, 50V (MB big F hub)
17″ 2x 36 080 L.hub 175  3.0  0.60 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 080 renni  175  3.0  0.60 Mobylette 50, 50V, Moby (Leleu hubs)

16″ 2x 36 090 renni  155  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni  171  2.5  0.65  Negrini Gazelle, MX Sport

16″ 2x 36 090 renni  153  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 090 renni  153  2.6  0.50  Odyssey (Solo)

16″ 2x 36 090 renni  156  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni  171  2.5  0.65  Pacer P1, Sport, Super Sport

17″ 1x 28 080 renni  165  2.4  0.55 xxxxx 17″ 1x 28 070 ren 171 2.7-2.4 0.55  Peugeot 102

17″ 1x 28 080 renni  165  2.4  0.55 xxxxx 17″ 1x 28 080 ren 167 2.7-2.4 0.55  Peugeot 103
P
17″ 2x 36 080  Puch  173  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 080 Puch  173  2.6  0.50  Puch Maxi GN (hard tail thin rims)
P
17″ 3x 36 080  Puch  188  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 Puch  188  2.6  0.50  Puch Maxi, Newport (thin rims)

17″ 3x 36 080  DT ss 187  2.6  0.55 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 DT ss 187  2.6  0.55  Puch ’78 Maxi Luxe (wide rim)
17″ 3x 36 080  DT ss 186  2.6  0.55 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 DT ss 186  2.6  0.55  Puch Magnum XK

17″ 3x 36 080  Puch  187  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 Puch  187  2.6  0.50  Puch Maxi Luxe (wide rim)
17″ 3x 36 080 renni  186  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 renni  186  2.6  0.50
Newport, Newport II, Maxi II

17″ 3x 36 080  Puch  188  2.6  0.50 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 Puch  188  2.6  0.50  Sears Free Spirit (thin rim)

19″ 2x 36 090    left  204  2.5  0.50 xxxxx 19″ 2x 36 090    left  204  2.5  0.50  Sears Allstate Mo-Ped 54-68
19″ 2x 36 090   right 196  2.5  0.50 xxxxx 19″ 2x 36 090   right 196  2.5  0.50

19″ 1x 28 none renn  224  2.4  0.55 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 none reni  224  2.4  0.55  Solex 1400,1700,S 2200 ’58-64

19″ 1x 28 none renn  224  2.4  0.55 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 070 renni  198  2.4  0.55  Solex S 3300 ’64-66 small R hub
19″ 1x 28 none renn  224  2.4  0.45 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 083 Atom  192  2.4  0.55  Solex S 3300 ’64-66 large R hub

19″ 1x 28 none renn  224  2.4  0.55 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 083 Atom  192  2.4  0.55  Solex S 3800 ’66-69

19″ 1x 28 none renn  218  2.4  0.55 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 080 Leleu  190  2.4  0.55  Solex S 3800 ’70-86, 4600 ’70-74

19″ 1x 28 none renn  220  2.4  0.55 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 080 Leleu 190 2.7-2.4 .55 Solex 4600 V2 Motobecane ’75-79

16″ 1x 28 none renn  179  2.4  0.55 xxxxx 16″ 1x 28 080 Leleu  152  2.4  0.55  Solex 5000 (to 7027299)
16″ 1x 28 none renn  179  2.4  0.55 xxxxx 16″ 1x 28 080 Leleu  152 2.7-2.4 .55  Solex 5000 (7027300 up)

16″ 2x 36  080 renni  160  2.3  0.45 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 080 renni  160  2.6  0.50  Sparta Foxi GT, Buddy, Lucky
16″ 2x 36  080 renni  160  2.3  0.45 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 080 renni  160  2.6  0.50  Sparta Flying Dutchman
16″ 2x 36  080 renni  160  2.3  0.45 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 080 ren  160 3.0-2.6 .50  Sparta heavy duty version

16″ 2x 36  090 renni  155  2.5  0.65 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 090 renni  155  2.5  0.65  Tomos Automatic A3 ’74-78
16″ 2x 36  090 renni  154  2.7  0.55 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 090 renni  154  2.7  0.55  Tomos Bullet A3 ’79-83
16″ 2x 36  090 renni  152  2.7  0.55 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 090 renni  152  2.7  0.55  Tomos Bullet A3 ’84-91

T
17″ 1x 36 disk  L out 176  3.0  0.60 xxxxx 16″ 1x 36 118    left  160  3.0  0.60  Tomos Revival (A35)
17″ 1x 36 disk R,L in 180  3.0  0.60 xxxxx 16″ 1x 36 118  right  150  3.0  0.60

17″ 2x 36 disk renni  170  3.0  0.60 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 105 renni  148  3.0  0.60  Tomos Revival TS (A55)
17″ 2x 36 disk renni  170  3.0  0.60 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 105 renni  148  3.0  0.60  Tomos Streetmate

16″ 2x 32 090  inner 160  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 16″ 2x 32 090  inner 160  2.6  0.45  Trac Clipper, Eagle, Hawk
16″ 2x 32 090  outer 160  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 16″ 2x 32 090  outer 160  2.6  0.45  Trac Escot, Sprint

17″ 2x 36 110  inner 162  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110  inner 162  2.6  0.45  Trac Olympic, Liberty
17″ 2x 36 110  outer 162  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110  outer 162  2.6  0.45

17″ 2x 36 110  inner 174  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110  inner 159  3.2  0.60  Trac DH100 Superhawk
17″ 2x 36 110  outer 174  2.6  0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110  outer 159  3.2  0.60

17″ 2x 28 090 renni  182  2.5  0.60 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 135 renni  160  3.0  0.60  Vespa Ciao C7N, C7E, C7V
V
16″ 2x 28 090 renni  167  2.5  0.60 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 135 renni  145  3.0  0.60  Vespa Bravo EEV
V
17″ 2x 36 105 renni  160  3.0  0.60 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 135 renni  145  3.0  0.60  Vespa Grande 048

V

 

 


3. Spokes For Sale

w/nut-price Price for each spoke with nipple. New is green, used is dark green.
MM# The Myrons Mopeds spoke part number is the specs. Specs are in millimeters.
Specs “160 2.6 12g inner 0.45″ means 160 long, 2.6 thick, 12 gauge, inner style, 0.45 thread pitch.

36-price For any quantity over 25, the price per spoke is the 36-price divided by 36.

part# This is the bike manufacturer part number. (ID) logo is the mark on the spoke head.
MM# nipple It comes with the nipple specified, but other nipple widths and styles may be optional. 

 


MM# (specs are part #)          S P O K E S    F O R     S A L E
mm
thickness  style MM w/nut M36 MMMMM   (IDMM#   F = front  R = rear  -R = right  -L = left
length  gauge ↓ thread price price x part# x logo nipple  rim   description   application


090  2.0 14g renni 0.45  $1.50 $00 01010100 (  )  20a  
116
  3.2 10g renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 01010100 (  )  32b  12″F,R  
126  3.5 09g renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 01010100 (  ) 
32b
  12″F,R  
127  3.2 10g renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 01010100 (  )  32a  12″F,R  generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
135  3.2 10g renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 01010100 (  )  32a  00″F     generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
138  2.92.6 inn.A 0.45  $4.20 9710832118F0(  )  26j
  14″R    82-83 Honda NU50 Urban Express
138  2.92.6 out.B 0.45  $4.20 9716432116F0(  )  26j 
  same    same
142  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 01010111 (A25b  14″F,R  65-85 Italian 28h 2x 
143  2.0 14g renni 0.45  $0.80 $15 55557010 20b  14″F,R  substitute, needs thin washer under nut
144  2.6 12g inn.A 0.45  none! 42607.147.315 (  )  26j   14″F,R  77-83 Honda NC50 Express, F 79-81 NA50
144  2.6 12g out.B 0.45  none! 42607.147.325 (  )  26j   same    same
144  2.6 12g renni 0.45  $1.50 $36 01010111 (  )  26c  14″F,R  generic 12 gauge replacement spoke, shiny new
144  2.92.6 inn.A 0.55  none! 42606.147.315 (  )  26j   14″R    79-81 Honda NA50 Express II
144  2.92.6 out.B 0.55  none! 42606.147.325 (  )  26j   same    same
145  3.0 3.0i renni 0.60  $3.50 $00 14223001 (A30b  16″R    77-80 Vespa Bravo,Grande, nut#114216
148  2.9 11g outer 0.55  $3.00 $00 01010100 29b
148  2.9 11g inner 0.55  $3.00 $00 01010100 (  )  29b
148  3.0 3.0i renni 0.60  none $00 23314701 (A30c  16″R    “145” 03-13 Tomos Revival, Streetmate A55
150  3.0 3.0i renni 0.60  $3.00 $00 23273301 (A30c  16″R-R “149” 01-03 Tomos Revival A35
151  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $2.50 $00 01010100 (A25d  16″F     36h 2X 65-85 Italian wheels Ø105 Grimeca hub
152  2.4 15J renni 0.55  none!  $00 01010100 (*24a  16″R    71-82 Solex 5000 (to 7027299)
152  2.7-2.4
 renni 0.55  none!  $00 01010100 (*24a  16″R    81-82 Solex 5000 (7027300 up)
152  2.7 16J renni 0.55  $3.00 $72 21913500 (A27a  16″F,R  84-91 Tomos A3 Bullet
152  3.0 17J renni 0.60  $2.50 $00 53582011 (C30e  17″F    76-79 Motobecane 40 (hi-flange MB hub)
152  3.53.2 renni 0.65  $2.50 $00 01010000 32a  17″F    off-road
153  3.5 g9g inner 0.65  $2.50 $00 01010100 (  )  35a  17″F    off-road

153  3.5 09g outer 0.65  $2.00 $00 01010100 (  )  35a  same     same
154  2.7 16J renni 0.55  $3.00 $00 21353401 (A27a  16″F,R   79-83 Tomos A3 Bullet
155  2.2 2.2i renni 0.45  $2.50 $00 01010100 (A22a  16″F,R   36h 2X 65-85 Italian thin

155  2.42.2 renni 0.45  $2.00 $45 01010100 (Я22b  16″F,R  
substitute for 155 Ø2.5 Italian
155  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $2.50 $00 20707901 (A25c  16″F,R  
74-78 Tomos A3 Automatic, Bullet
155  3.2 10g renni 0.65  $3.00 $00 01010100 (  )  32a  00″F      generic 10 gauge replacement spoke

156  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $3.00 $00 12003501 (A25d  16″F,R  36h 2X 65-85 Italian wheels Ø90 Grimeca hub
156  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $2.50 $00 00093201 (R22e  16″F    36h 2x 65-85 Italian wheels, 76-85 Garelli
156  2.7-2.4xrenni 0.55  $1.50 $36
01010100 (24a,24b ”  F thicker substitute for 156 Ø2.5 Italian
157  2.9 11g renni 0.60  $3.00 $00 01010100 (M29c  16″F,R  straight spoke 84-86 Derbi SL
159  2.6 12g inn.A 0.45  $3.80 970642115810(  )  26d  17″R    78 Honda PA50 Hobbit
159  2.6 12g out.B 0.45  $3.80 971602115410(  )  26j  17″R    same but different nipple
159  4.0 o8g renni 0.80  $2.50 $00 01010101 (  )  40a  00″F    generic 8 gauge replacement spoke
160  2.3 13g renni 0.45  $1.00 $27 055005a1 (23b  16″F    76-77 Sparta Foxi GT/Buddy
160  2.3 13g renni 0.45  $1.20 $32 05500501 (U23a  same    same
160  2.6 12g renni 0.50  $1.50 $36 05550601 (26n  16″R    76-77 Sparta Foxi GT/Buddy
160  2.6 12g inner 0.45  $2.00 $54 01010100 (26d  16″F    82-86 Trac Clipper, Eagle, Hawk, Sprint
160  2.6 12g outer 0.45  $2.50 $54 01010100 ()  26d  same    same
160  2.6 12g inner 0.50  $2.00 $00 07401601 (  )  26k  16″F,R  76-83 Jawa 207
160  2.6 12g outer 0.50  $2.50 $00 07402201 (  )  26k  same    same
160  2.9 11g inner 0.55  $2.00 $0
0 01010100 (  )  29b  16″F,R  Taiwan wheel, like Indian but 16″
160  2.9 11g outer 0.55  $2.50 $00 01010100 (  )  29b  same    same

160  3.02.6 renni 0.50  $2.00 $54 55006Uxx (26n  16″R    76-77 Sparta upgrade
160  3.0 
3.0i renni 0.60  $4.50 $00 G6860900 (A30b  17″F    painted silver  78-80 Vespa Grande
160  3.0 
3.0i renni 0.60  $3.00 $00 11450100 (A30a  17″R    nut#114216 70s-80s Vespa Ciao
160  3.0 3.0i renni 0.60  $3.00 $00 11450100 (A30c  17″R    nut#164591 90s-00s Vespa Ciao

160  3.2 10g renni 0.65  $2.50 $00 01010100 (  )  32a  00″F      generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
162  3.2 10g outer 0.65  $3.00 $00 11515470 (  )  32c  17″R    83-84 AMSF,R 84-90 Trac Olympic, Liberty
162  3.2 10g inner 0.65  $3.00 $00 11515469 (  )  32c  same    same
163  2.6 12g renni 0.50  $2.00 $00 01001001 (26p  17″R-L 77-80 Kynast Flying Dutchman
165  2.4 15J renni 0.55  $1.50 $36 51492(C)(*)(+)24a  17″F    76-80 Peugeot 102, 103
165  3.0 17J renni 0.60  $2.20 $45 40173000 (30d  16″R-L  76-77 Batavus VA/HS50/Starflite (Ø70)
165  3.0 17J renni 0.60  $2.00 $45 19625000 (C30e  17″F    76-80 Motobecane 50/50V (big hub)
166  4.0 g8g renni 0.80  $2.00 $00 01001001 (  )  40a  00″F  generic 8 gauge replacement spoke  
167  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 13611100 (R25b  16″F    76-80 Vespa Bravo

167  2.72.4 renni 0.55  $2.00 $36 52951000 (B24a 
 17″R    76-80 Peugeot 103
167  3.0 17J renni 0.60  none$00 23041000 (C30e  16″R    77-79 Motobecane Model 7
167  3.0 
3.0i renni 0.60  $3.50 $00 23281400 (A30c  16″R-L   01-03 Tomos Revival A35
167  3.2 10g outer 0.65  $2.00 $00 01001001 (  )  32c  17″R 
168  2.6 12g renni 0.50  $2.00 $00 01001001 (26p  17″F,R-R 77-80 Kynast Flying Dutchman
168  2.9 11g renni 0.60  $3.00 $00 65135020 (E29c  17″F,R  straight spoke 76-83 Derbi  Variant SL/TT
168  3.0 17J renni 0.60  $3.00 $00 40172000 (30d  16″R-R  76-77 Batavus VA/HS50/Starflite (Ø70 drum)
169  2.6 12g renni 0.50  $2.00 $00 40210 () (U26q  16″F    76-77 Batavus VA/HS50/Mobat/Bronco/Starflite
171  2.6 12g outer 0.45  $3.00 $00 11505470 (  )  26c  17″R    77-83 General 5-Star/Lazer/Grycner, 83-84 AMS
171  2.6 12g outer 0.45  $1.50 $00 21505470 (  )  26c  17″R      goldish color 78-83 Grycner Floozie
171  2.6 12g inner 0.45  $2.00 $00 11505469 (  )  26c  17″R    77-83 General 5 Star/Lazer/Grycner, 83-84 AMS
171  2.6 12g inner 0.45  $1.50 $00 21505469 (  )  26c 17″R    goldish color 78-83 Grycner Floozie
171  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $3.50 $00 H46A  (A) (R25d  16″R    Italian 3x 77-80 Malaguti Commuter
172  2.72.4 renni 0.55  $2.50 $00 47143 (C) (B24a  17″R    1980 Peugeot 102 SP
173  2.42.2 renni 0.55  $2.00 $00 19755000 (C22b  16″F    77-79 Motobecane Model 7
173  2.2 2.2i renni 0.45  $2.50 $00 00110100 (A22a  16″F    70’s Italian only one available
173  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 50315100 (R25e  16″F    76-86 Garelli Gulpmatic
173  2.6 12g renni 0.45  $2.00 $00 00101001 (26i   16″F,R  American 79-83 AMF Roadmaster
173  3.0 17J renni 0.60  $3.00 $00 40221000 (30d  16″R    78-80 Batavus Regency (Ø80 drum Leleu hub)
173  3.2 10g renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 01001001 (  )  32a  00″F    generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
174  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 50060100 (R25e  16″R    77-80 Garelli Rally Sport/G.Sport/S.Sport/Gulp
174  2.6 12g outer 0.45  $2.00 $00 35504000 (26d  17″F    86-88 Trac DH100
174  2.6 12g inner 0.45  $2.00 $00 35503000 (26d  same    same
174  3.0 3.0i renni 0.65  $3.00 $00 50685100 (R30g  16″R    76-80 Garelli Sport HD (with M12 R axle)
174  3.0 3.0i renni 0.60  $3.00 $00 01001001 (A30c  16″R    Italian wheels 3X Ø90 Grimeca hub
175  3.0 17J renni 0.60  $3.00 $00 21195000 (C30e  17″R    76-80 Motobecane 40/50/50V (small Leleu hub)
176  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 01001001 (A25a  16″R    Italian wheels 3X Ø90 Grimeca hub
176  3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 
none!  $00 22679900 (A30a  17″F-L-0ut 01-03 Tomos Revival A35
176  3.0 3.0i renni 0.60  none!  $00 24317000 (A30a  17″F    03-13 Tomos Revival, Streetmate A55
176  3.2 10g renni 0.65  $3.00 $00 01001001 (  )  32a  00″F  generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
177  2.6 12g outer 0.45  $2.00 $00 11505074 (  )  26c  17″F    77-83 General 5 Star/Lazer Sport 50
177  2.6 12g inner 0.45  $2.00 $00 11505073 (  )  26c   same       same
177  2.9 11g inner 0.55  $2.50 $00 1410050(  )  29a  17″F,R  78-83 Indian 4-Stroke
177  2.9 11g outer 0.55  none   $00 14200500 (  )  29a  same      same
177  3.5 09g renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 000 (jw)or(  )  32a  00″F      generic 9 gauge replacement spoke
179  2.4 15J renni 0.55  none$00 01001001 (*24a  16″F  71-82 Solex 5000 Compact
179  2.6 12g renni 0.45  $2.00 $00  0000()or(  )  26b  17″F,R  77-83 Angel (TYM)
180  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 01001001 (A25b
182  2.5 2.5i renni 0.60  $2.00 $00 14282600 (A25b  17″F    nut#101830 74-86 Vespa Ciao

182  3.0 3.0i renni 0.60  $3.00 $00 23279800 (A30c  17″F-R, F-L-in “180” 01-03 Tomos Revival A35
182  4.03.5 inner 0.65  $3.00 $00 01001001 (  )  35a  
182  4.03.5 outer 0.65  $3.00 $00 01001001 (  )  35a  
185  2.6 12g renni 0.45  $2.00 $00 01001001 (  )  26f  17″F,R  77-80 Colombia Commuter/Open Road
186  2.3 13g renni 0.45  $3.00 $00 24111110 (U23a  17″F,R 76-83 Hercules with 1 chain, wide dimpled rims
186  3.0 3.0i renni 0.60  $2.00 $00 01001001 (Δ30f  17″F,R   unknown
187  2.5 2.5i renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 50320300 (R)  25e  17″F,R  78-86 Garelli Gran/Rally/Super Sport, F VIP
187  2.5 2.5i renni 0.55  $3.00 $00 01001001 (Б)  25a  17″F,R  DT stainless 78 Puch Maxi Luxe, Magnum XK
187  2.6 12g renni 0.50  $2.00 $00 24003010 (  )  26l   17″F,R 77-86 Puch deluxe models with wide rims

188
  2.3 13g renni 0.45  $2.50 $00 24111050 (U 23a  17″R-L  (189) 76-83 Hercules with 2-chains, thin rims
188  2.5 2.5i renni 0.55  $2.50 $54 12100710 (Б)  25a  17″F,R-L DT stainless 77-80 KTM Foxi Deluxe/Salsberg

188  2.5 2.5i renni 0.55  $2.00 $00 01001001 (Б25a  17″F,R-L DT zinc finish 70’s Flandria with thin steel rim
188  2.6 12g renni 0.50  $1.50 $20 54003010 (  )  26l   17″F,R   74-86 Puch Maxi/Newport/others, 78 Sears, JC P.
188  3.0 3.0i renni 0.65  $3.00 $00 50320400 (R)  30g  17″R    78-86 Garelli VIP
188  3.0 3.0i renni 0.60  $3.00 $00 01001001 (A)  30a  17″R    Italian wheels 3X Ø90 Grimeca hub
188  3.5 09g renni 0.65  $2.50 $00 01001001 )  35b  17″F    stainless generic 9G, shiny new
189  2.3 13g renni 0.45  none! $00 26501020 ()  23b  17″F      chrome 77-80 Kreidler MP-9 Flory
190  2.3 13g renni 0.45  $3.00 $00 24111070 ()  23b  17″F,R-R (191) 76-83 Hercules with 2-chains, thin rims

190  2.5 
2.5i renni 0.55  $3.00 $00 01001001 (Б)  25a  17″R-R  DT stainless 70’s Flandria with deep alum. rim
190  2.6 12g renni 0.50  $2.50 $00 01001001 (  )  26m 17″F    Inox stainless Puch Maxi 70-77    only 4 available
190  2.72.4 renni 0.55  $3.00 $00 61359000 (C)  24a  19″R     70-80 Solex 3800, 4600, 4600 V2 nut 61797

190  3.02.6 renni 0.50  $4.00 $00 26511020 ()  26n  17″R     chrome 77-80 Kreidler Flory    only 1 available
191  2.6 12g renni 0.45  $2.00 $36 01001001 26h  17″F,R    shiny new Taiwan-made  replacement spokes
191  2.6 12g renni 0.50  $2.00 $00 54003010 (  )  26m 17″R   70-77 Puch Maxi (thin rim small dimples)

192  2.4 15J
 renni 0.55  none!  $00 01001001 (C24a   19″R    64-66 Solex 3300 (Ø83 drum), 66-69 Solex 3800
192  2.5 
2.5i renni 0.55  $3.00 $72 10100710 (Б)  25a  17″R-R  DT stainless 77-80 KTM Foxi Deluxe/Salsberg
192  2.5 2.5i renni 0.55  $2.50 $00 01001001 (Б25a  17″R-R  DT zinc finish 70’s Flandria with thin steel rim
192  3.0 3.0i renni 0.65  $3.00 $00 01001001 (30g  17″F    only one! German spoke with Italian threads
192  3.2 10g renni 0.65  $1.80 $28 01001001 (  )  32a  00″F      generic 10 gauge replacement spoke, new shiny
193  2.6 12g renni 0.50  $2.50 $00 01001001 (  )  26m 17″R    1977-79 Puch Rigid (GN) hard tail Ø70 rear hub
195  2.6 12g renni 0.45  $2.00 $00 01001001 (  )  26c  19″F-R,R-R  re-made for 54-68 Sears Allstate  only 1 left

195  3.2 10g renni 0.65  $2.00 $36 01001001 (  )  32a  00″F      generic 10 gauge replacement spoke, new shiny
196  2.
5 2.5i renni 0.50  none$00 01001001 (  )  n/a   19″F-R,R-R 54-68 Sears Allstate
198  2.4 15J
 renni 0.55  none $00 00101010 (C24a  19″R  64-66 Solex 3300 (with Ø70 brake drum)
198  2.6 12g inn.A 0.45  none!  97197212351  (  )  n/a   19″R    69-70 Honda PC50(USA), PC50A
198  2.6 12g out.A 0.45  none!  97324212341
 (  )  n/a   same       same

200  2.6 12g renni 0.45  $2.00 $00 01001001 (Δ)  26e  19″R   (could substitute for 198 with a thin washer)
201  3.53.2 inner 0.65  $2.00 $00 01001001 (  )  32b  18″F  , 70’s Honda CB200
201  3.53.2 outer 0.65  $2.00 $00 01001001 (  )  32b  same       same
202  2.3 13g inn.A 0.45  none!  97142112451  (  )  n/a   19″F    69-77 Honda PC50(USA), PC50A, PC50M, PC50K1
202  2.3 13g out.A 0.45  none!  97241112441  (  )  n/a   same       same
204  2.5 2.5i renni 0.50  none!  $00 01001001 (  )  n/a  19″F-L,R-L 54-68 Sears Allstate

212  3.5 g9G renni 0.65  $2.00 $00 01001001 (  )  35b  19″F  , stainless 9 gauge  only 1 available
218  2.3 13g renni 0.45  $4.50 $00 01001001 (  )  23c  19″F  re-made for 70-74 Solex 3800, 4600 
219  2.4 15J renni 0.55  $3.00  $00 61358 (+)(*24a  19″F  75-79 Solex 4600 V2 (Motobecane) nut 61797
224  2.3 13g renni 0.45  $4.50 $00 01001001 (  23c  19″F,R  re-make for 58-64 Solex, F  64-69 Solex
245  3.2 10g renni 0.65  $2.50 $00 01001001 (  )  32a  20″F,R generic 10 gauge replacement spoke only 1 avail.
263  2.6 12g renni 0.45  $1.50 $00 01001001 (  )  26a  22″F,R
bicycle with 26″ tire
270  2.6 12g renni 0.45  $1.50 $00 01001001 (  )  26a  same       same
296  2.01.7 renni 0.45  $2.00 $00 01001001 (  )  17a  24″F,R
only 3 available (nipple not shown)

 

 

Why so many? Myrons Mopeds parts inventory is from about 20-30 moped shops from the Los Angeles area that closed in the 1980’s or 90’s. Each shop carried different moped brands and parts. Add to that, 200 mopeds that were stripped for parts. That is why there is such a large variety of 200 different, mostly original spokes, new and used.

 


4. Spoke Nipples

Vintage moped spokes have many thread sizes, so that the nipples do not usually interchange. Besides thread, spoke nipples can have different widths for different rim holes. The information below explains all of the variety. Hopefully, shops and individuals that have nipple-less spokes or spoke-less nipples will understand why, and maybe find matches. 

 

p art  nipple   thread x spoke  maker  nut        S P O K E    N I P P L E S
 no.diam  diam-pitch  ID    maker   ID     (most are only sold with spokes)
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Nipples for 2.0 mm Spokes  xxxxxxxx 14 Gauge
20a  3.95  2.23-0.45  (  ) bicycle  x (  ) there are more not listed here
20b  3.85  2.23-0.45  (  ) bike long (  ) for deeper double-wall rims
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Nipples for 2.2 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 14 Jauge Française
22a  4.50  2.45-0.45  (A) Alpina x (A)  some 70’s Italian front
22b  4.45  2.45-0.45  (*French  hex
22c  4.95  2.45-0.45  (R) Redaelli ()  some Italian F, mark is a hexagon
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Nipples for 2.3 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 13 Gauge
23a  4.95  2.55-0.45  (U) Unionx (U 70’s Hercules 2-chain models
23b  4.95  2.55-0.45  () Berg xx (same (Union = Berg, they’re the same)
23c  4.15  2.55-0.45  (  ) generic   (  )  modern replacement
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Nipples for 2.4 mm Spokes  xxxxxxxx   15 Jauge Française
24a  4.60  2.65-0.55  (C) French  hex  70’s Motobecane front, Peugeot F&R
24b  4.95  2.65-0.55  (*) French (s s) some 70’s Solex, some MB “7” front
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Nipples for 2.5 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx   2.5 Calibro Italiano
25a  4.95  2.75-0.55  (Б) DT Swiss (Б) 70’s Austrian KTM, some Puch
25b  4.95  2.75-0.65  (A) Alpinax (A) many 70’s Italian,  Vespa 101830
25c  4.95  2.75-0.65  (A) Alpinax (A) same except chamfer, 1974-77 Tomos
25d  4.95  2.75-0.65  (A) Alp.flat  (A) 70’s Italian, many brands
25e  4.95  2.75-0.65  (R) Redaelli() same as 25b, nipple mark is a hexagon
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Nipples for 2.6 mm Spokes 0.45 thread   12 Gauge = 0.105 inch
26a  4.70  2.85-0.45  (  ) bicycle  x  (  )  heavy duty spokes
26b  0.00  2.85-0.45  () Union 2   ()  Taiwan style
26c  0.00  2.85-0.45  (  ) Taiwan    (  )  80’s General, Lazer (Jui Li)
26d  0.00  2.85-0.45  () Korean    )  80’s Trac (Daelim or Kia)
26e  0.00  2.85-0.45  (Δ) “Delta”  (s s) unknown
26f   0.00  2.85-0.45  (  ) USA dark (C)  ‘76-83 Columbia
26g  0.00  2.85-0.45  (  ) Taiwan   (Ðunknown
26h  0.00  2.85-0.45  (  ) Taiwan   (ounknown
26i   0.00  2.85-0.45  () USA dark ()  ’78-83 AMF Roadmaster
26j   5.10  2.85-0.45  (  Honda    )  Honda NC50, PA50, others
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Nipples for 2.6 mm Spokes 0.50 thread M3-0.50  12 Gauge = 0.105″
26k  0.00  2.85-0.50  (  ) Czech xx (  )  70’s Jawa xxxxx xxxxx xxx
26l   0.00  2.85-0.50  (  ) Puch xxx hex  most 70’s Puch 349.140.0311
26m 0.00  2.85-0.50  (  ) Puch xxx (  )  some 70’s Puch xxxxx
26n  0.00  2.85-0.50  () Berg  xxx ()  thin, for Ø5.33 holes, 70’s Sparta
26o  0.00  2.85-0.50  (U) Union xx (U)  thin, same as Berg xxxx
26p  0.00  2.85-0.50  () Berg flat  ()  thin flat, for Ø5.33 holes
26q  0.00  2.85-0.50  () Berg wide()  wide, for Ø5.84 holes, 70’s Bat. F
26r  0.00  2.85-0.50  (  ) generic x (s s) unknown xxxxx xxxxx 
26s  0.00  2.85-0.50  () Berg long ()
26t  0.00  2.85-0.50  () Berg w.fl. ()  wide flat   (not shown)

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Nipples for 2.7 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx   17 Jauge Française
27a  5.40  2.95-0.55  (A) Alpina   (A)  ’78-91 Tomos
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Nipples for 2.9 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx   11 Gauge
29a  5.00  3.15-0.55  (  ) Taiwan  (  )  ’78-83 Indian
29b  5.05  3.15-0.55  (  ) Taiwan  (  )  
29c  0.00  3.15-0.60  (M) Spain x (E)  says E C E, 70’s-80’s Derbi
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Nipples for 3.0 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx   3.0 Italiano, 18J Française
30a  5.90  3.25-0.60  (A) Alpina    (A)  70s-80s Italian, 70s-80s Vespa 114216
30b  5.90  3.25-0.60  (A) Alp dark (A)  same but dark finish
30c  5.90  3.25-0.60  (A) Alp. flat  (A)  90s-00s Tomos, 90s-00s Vespa 164591
30c  5.90  3.25-0.60  (A) Alp. flat  (A)  30c replaced 30a in the 1990’s
30d  5.45  3.33-0.60  () Berg w.  ()  for Ø5.84 holes, 70’s Bat. R M3.5-0.6
30e  5.40  3.25-0.60  (C) French  hex  70’s Motobecane rear 17859
30f   5.25  3.25-0.60  (Δ) “Delta”  (  )  unknown, Asia style Euro thread nipple
30g  6.15  3.25-0.65  (R) Redaelli ()  like 30a, but 0.65 thread, mark is a hex.
30h  nipple 3.25 – 0.65  (R) Redaelli ()
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Nipples for 3.2 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx    10 Gauge
32a  5.85  3.45-0.65  (  ) generic x (  )  for replacement spokes
32b  5.85  3.45-0.65  (  ) Honda x (  )  1970’s Honda CB200
32c  0.00  3.45-0.65  (  ) Korean  (  )  80’s Trac, 80’s AMS
32d  0.00  3.45-0.65  (  ) Taiwan  (  )
32e  0.00  3.45-0.65  (  ) Yamaha (  )  1978 Yamaha YZ100
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Nipples for 3.5 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx   9 Gauge
35a  6.60  3.75-0.65  (  ) Taiwan  (  )  or Japan
35b  0.00  3.75-0.65 (  ) generic x (  )  for replacement spokes
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Nipples for 4.0 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx   8? Gauge
40a  0.00  4.30-0.80

 

 

 


5. Spoke Threads Explained

Standards: In the 1800’s the world’s steel wire manufacturers developed standards for wire products like spokes or nails. Each country chose one of several standards for wire size (thickness). For spokes, the thread style and pitch, were also chosen to follow each country’s thread standards. 

Families: A “family” of spokes is made of many different lengths, with several different threads and thicknesses, that all obey the same standards. In vintage mopeds, the main spoke families are USA, Japan, Germany, France, and Italy. What family a spoke is in matters when the nipple is missing. A nipple from one family will often not fit a similar sized spoke from a different family. Or it might fit loosely and then fail later by stripping off the threads.

Gauge: This word means two things, 1) the size of a particular wire, and 2) the set of all wire sizes. So when you say the wire gauge you have to specify the wire “gauge” also. So a wire spoke from a Harley Davidson might be a “9 gauge spoke (US Steel Wire Gauge)”. But if it’s from a Honda it would be a “9 gauge spoke (British Standard Wire Gauge). The two 9 gauge spokes have slightly different thicknesses. They both are 9 gauge but belong to different gauges. That’s confusing! 

Gauge numbers get larger as wire size gets smaller. This backward numbering originated in the 1700’s, from the drawing of a cold steel rod through smaller and smaller holes. With each pass through a smaller die hole, the rod gets thinner and longer. The original gauge was the number of passes it took to make the wire. That’s why smaller wires have bigger gauge numbers.

Rolled threads: Spokes have rolled threads, rather than cut threads. Rolled threads have thread tops higher than the plain spoke (thread diameter greater than wire diameter). Rolled threads can be any diameter, for any wire diameter. The different wire diameters, and the different thread pitches, is why there are so many different vintage moped spoke threads. 

Moped Spoke Families and Thread Sizes

US Steel Wire Gauge (aka Washburn & Moen)
used by USA on American mopeds: Columbia and AMF 
2.03  14 0- 2.32  13 0- 2.68  12 0- 3.06  11 0- 3.43  10 0- 3.77 0 9  0- 4.11 0 <thickness  gauge
2.23-0.45   2.52-0.45   2.88-0.45   3.29-0.53   3.68-0.60   4.07-0.63   4.46-0.79 <thread diam-pitch


British Standard Wire Gauge (aka Imperial or Birmingham)
used by England, Japan, Taiwan, most other vintage spokes and most modern spokes

2.03  14 0- 2.34  13 0- 2.64  12 0- 2.95  11 0- 3.25  10 0- 3.66 0 9  0- 4.06 0 8  <thickness  gauge
2.23-0.45   2.54-0.45   2.84-0.45   3.18-0.55   3.55-0.65   3.96-0.65   4.41-0.80 <thread diam-pitch


Jauge de Paris 1857 (French Wire Gauge)
used by France on French mopeds: Motobecane, Peugeot and Solex
2.00  13 0- 2.20  14 0- 2.40  15 0- 2.70  16 0- 3.00  17 0- 3.40  18 0- 3.90  19 0<thickness  gauge
2.20-0.45   2.40-0.45   2.63-0.55   2.93-0.55   3.25-0.60   3.65-0.60   4.25-0.80 <thread diam-pitch


Imperial/Metrische (Imperial & Metric Thread) on Kreidler, Kynast, Solo, Sparta
used by Germany, Austria, Holland, Czechia on Batavus, Hercules (Sachs), Jawa, KTM, Puch
2.03 
14 .0-2.34  13  ..-2.58  M3 ..-3.03 M3.5 ..3.45  M4  ..3.91 M4.5 ..4.40  M5 <thickness  gauge
2.23-0.45   2.54-0.45   2.81-0.50   3.28-0.60   3.85-0.70   4.30-0.75   4.80-0.80 <thread diam-pitch


Calibro per Filo Metrico (Metric Wire Gauge) on Tomos, Vespa, Safari, Testi
used by Italy, Slovenia on bikes with Italian spoke wheels, Cimatti, Garelli, Malaguti, Pacer
2.00 
2.00  2.25  2.25 . 2.50  2.50  2.75  2.75
 3.00  3.00  3.50  M4 0 4.00 M4.5 <thickness  gauge
2.20-0.45   2.45-0.45   2.80-0.65   3.05-0.65   3.30-0.60   3.88-0.70  4.38-0.75 <thread diam-pitch
2.20-0.45   2.45-0.45   2.80-0.65   3.05-0. or  3.30-0.65



DT Swiss (vintage) spoke threads, Switzerland on KTM and some Puch
2.00 
2.00  2.25  2.25 . 2.50  2.50  2.75  2.75
 3.00  3.00  3.50  M4 0 4.00 M4.5  <thickness  gauge
2.20-0.45   2.45-0.45   2.75-0.55   3.05-0.65   3.30-0.60   3.88-0.70   4.38-0.80 <thread diam-pitch


Derbi (vintage) spoke threads, Spain on Derbi
2.00 0
14 . 2.25  2.25 . 2.50  2.50  2.95 0 11 0
 3.00  3.00  3.50  M4   4.00 M4.5 <thickness  gauge
2.20-0.45    2.45-0.45   2.80-0.65  3.23-0.60   3.30-0.60   3.88-0.70   4.38-0.80<thread diam-pitch

 

 

 


6. Spoke Length Calculation

Calculation allows error checking. Reported spoke lengths must agree with calculated spoke lengths. When they disagree, an error is exposed. Then the specifications are checked and the erroneous one is found and corrected. Most, but not all, spokes in the Spokes for Sale List above have been verified correct by calculation.

Calculation allows predicting. When changing hubs, rims, or spoke patterns, the spoke length changes. The new length can be predicted by calculation.  

The plane of the rim holes contains a triangle with sides Rr , Hr  and Lr. Perpendicular to that is a right triangle with sides Lr, Hd and hypotenuse L.

θ is calculated from the number of spokes h and the cross pattern x. Lr is calculated from Hr, Rr and θ by the law of cosines. L is calculated from Lr and Hd by the Pythagorean theorem.

rim (in inches) = rim size = diameter at tire seat

Rd = rim depth, spoke end to tire seat

Rr (in mm) = rim radius at spoke rim-end
A (in mm) = (rim*25.4)/2 -Rd = rim*12.7-Rd

Hr (in mm) = hub radius at spoke hub-end
L and R hub holes are staggered, to make all spokes equal
otherwise spokes are 2 long, 2 short, 2 long, 2 short, etc.

h = # of spokes   x = # of crosses

θ = 2*3.14*x/(h/2) = 12.56*x/h

Hd (in mm) = hub depth, hub hole plane to rim hole plane
L and R rim holes are staggered, with separate rim hole planes
L and R can have separate hub “depths”, not necessarily equal

L (in mm) = spoke length

Lr² = Rr² + Hr² – 2*Lr*Hr*cos(θ)

L² = Hd² + Lr²

h x   rim  Rd   Hr 0 Hd  L(calc) L(listed)
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Leleu Ø70, front 46x20, rear 46x20 hubs
(actual Hr is 44, but spoke holes are paired with
uneven spacing, so that the equivalent Hr is 46)
28   1   17  6.0  46.0  20  170.8  171  R Peugeot 102
36   2   16  7.0  46.0  23  165.3  168  R-right Batavus VA
36   2   16  7.0  46.0  17  164.5  165  R-left   Batavus VA
36   2   16  6.0  46.0  20  165.8  167  R Motobecane 7
28   2   16  6.0  46.0  20  173.4  173  F Motobecane 7

Taiwan Ø80, front 49x15, rear 51.5x20 hubs
32   2   17  7.5  49.0  15  177.8  177  F General, small hub
32   2   17  6.5  49.0  15  178.8  179  F Angel, Speed Bird
32   3   17  7.5  51.5  20  195.6 
000 unknown application
32   2   17  7.5  51.5  20  176.4  177  R General, small hub
32   2   17  6.5  51.5  20  177.9  179  R Angel, Speed Bird

Leleu Ø80 front 52x18, rear 52x23, 52x29 hubs
28   1   16  7.5  52.0  23  152.3  152  R Solex 5000

28   1   17  6.5  52.0  18  165.1  165  F Peugeot 103, 102
28   1   17  6.5  52.0  29  166.6  167  R Peugeot 103
28   1   19  7.5  52.0  23  189.7  190  R Solex 4600
28   2   16  7.0  52.0  18  169.7  169  F Batavus VA
28   2   16  7.0  52.0  29  171.2  173  R Batavus Regency

36   2   17  6.5  52.0
  18  173.7  175  F Motobecane
36   2   16  8.0  52.0
  18  160.0  160  F Sparta Foxi
36   2   16  8.0  52.0  29  161.5  160  R Sparta Foxi
36   2   17  6.5  52.0  29  175.2  175  R Motobecane
36   2   17  8.0  52.0  29  173.8  173  R Puch (hard tail)

36   3   17  8.0  52.0
  18  188.3  188  F Puch (thin rim)
36   3   17  9.5  52.0
  18  186.8  187  F Puch (wide rim
36   3   17  8.0  52.0
  29  189.6  188  R Puch (thin rim)
36   3   17  9.5  52.0
  29  188.1  187  R Puch (wide rim)
36   3   17  7.0  52.0  29  190.6  190  R Kreidler Flory

Left and right are treated separately.
Most hubs are the same, left and right.
But this Hercules 2-chain hub is not! 
The rim is still centered in the frame.

Yuan Ta Ø90 front 57.5x20, rear 57.5x23 hubs
32   2   17  9.0  57.5  20  172.2  172  F AMS

32   2   17 
7.5  57.5  20  173.8  175  F Indian
32   2   17  7.5  57.5  23  174.1  175  R Indian
32   2   16 
8.5  57.5  20  160.5  160  F Trac
32   2   16  8.5  57.5  23  160.9  160  R Trac

Grimeca Ø90 front 56.5x20, rear 56.5x20 hubs
28   2   14  9.0  56.5  20  142.1  142  F&R Italian mini

28   2   16  9.0  56.5  20  166.1  167  F Vespa Bravo
28   2   17  6.0  56.5  20  181.2
  182  F Vespa Ciao
36   2   16  9.0  56.5  20  156.5  156  F&R Italian wheels H-46A

36   2   16  9.0
 56.5  20  156.5  156  F Garelli Super Sport
36   3   16  7.0  56.5  20  172.1  172  F&R Italian wheels H-46
36   3   16  9.0  56.5  20  174.1  173  F&R Italian wheels H-46B
36   3   17  9.0  56.5  20  186.3  188  F&R Italian wheels H-46D
36   2   17  7.5  56.5  20  170.2  170  F Kynast Flying Dutchman
36   3   17  6.0  56.5  20  189.3  190  F Hercules (thin rim)
36   3   17  8.5  56.5  20  186.8  186  F Hercules (wide rim)
36   3   17  7.5  56.5  20  187.8  188  F KTM Foxi

36   3   17  9.0  56.5  20  186.3  187  F Garelli Super Sport

Grimeca Ø90 wide rear 59x29, 59×64x29, 59×64x36 hubs
36   2   17 10.5 59.0  29  167.1  168  R-right Kynast
36   2   17 10.5 64.0  29 
165.2  163  R-left Kynast (bigger left flange)
36   3   17  6.5  59.0  26  188.8  190  R-right Hercules (2-chain)
36   3   17  6.5  64.0  32  188.6  188  R-left Hercules (bigger left flange)
36   3   17  6.5  59.0  34  190.1  192  R-right KTM Foxi
36   3   17  6.5  64.0  38  189.7  188  R-left KTM (bigger left flange)
36   3   16  9.0  59.0  29  174.8  174  R Garelli Rally Sport, Super Sport
36   3   17  9.0  59.0  29  187.3  188  R Garelli Rally Sport, Super Sport

Tomos Ø90 front 62x20, 65x20, rear 62x23, 65x23 hubs
36   2   16  8.0
  62.0  20  154.3  155  F Tomos A3 ’74-78
36   2   16  8.0  62.0  20  154.3  154  F Tomos A3 ’79-83
36   2   16  8.0  65.0  20  152.6  152  F Tomos A3 ’84-91 black
36   2   16  8.0  62.0  23  154.7  155  R Tomos A3 ’74-78
36   2   16  8.0  62.0  23  154.7  154  R Tomos A3 ’79-83
36   2   16  8.0  65.0  23  153.0  152  R Tomos A3 ’84-91 black

Grimeca Ø105 front 63.5x20, 63.5x29, 69x20, rear 63.5x27, 69x26
36   3   16  9.0  63.5  20  172.6  173 
F HD Garelli Gulp
36   3   17  9.0  63.5  20  184.6  187 
F HD Garelli VIP
36   3   17  9.5  63.5  29  185.4  185 
F HD Columbia (tube frame)
36   3   17  9.5  63.5  27  185.0  185 
R HD Columbia (tube frame)
36   3   17  9.5  69.0  20  183.0  185 
F HD Columbia (sheet frame)
36   3   17  9.5  69.0  26  183.8  185 
R HD Columbia (sheet frame)
36   2   17 10.5 69.0  20  160.1  160 
F HD Vespa Grande

Tomos Ø105 rear 69x23 hub
36   2   16 10.5 69.0  23  148.5  148  R Tomos Streetmate 233147

Taiwan Ø110 front 67x20, rear 67x23 hubs
36   2   17  9.5  67.5  20  161.9  162  F Trac Liberty, Olympic
36   2   17  9.5  67.5  23  162.2  162  R Trac Liberty, Olympic
36   2   17  9.0  67.5  23  162.7  162  R AMS Sierra 50

Vespa Ø137 rear 76x24 hub
36   2   16 10.5 76.0  24  145.1  145  R Vespa Grande
36   2   16  9.0  76.0  24  146.4  145  R Vespa Bravo
36   2   17  6.0  76.0  24  161.1  160  R Vespa Ciao