Pedal Parts

July 14, 2014

Contents:    1 Pedals    2 Pedal Cranks (Arms)   3 Pedal Pins   4 Pedal Shafts

Contents:    5 Pedal Freewheels   6 Pedal Chains   7 Pedal Chain Tensioners 

 


1   P E D A L S

 

These are new pedal sets, right and left, size 9/16″. The thread is 9/16 – 20. They fit all mopeds except Motobecane, Peugeot, and Derbi, and other French or Spanish-made mopeds, such as the Spanish-made Puch Magnum. 

41201 plastic $10

41124 classic $15

41559 platform $15

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

400000 block $17

67302 folding $25

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Four kinds of moped pedal threads

 

Pedal threads: Most bicycle pedals have either 1/2-20 or 9/16-20 threads. But some vintage bicycles use “French thread” pedals, which is metric 14 – 1.25. The 14.0 mm thread is slightly smaller than 9/16″ (14.3 mm), but bigger than 1/2″ (12.7mm).

14mm pedals screw into 9/16 cranks all the way but fit loosely. Then later they break off or strip out easier.

9/16 pedals screw into 14mm cranks so tight they stop half way. Then later they break off or strip out easier. 

 

 


2   P E D A L   C R A N K S

 

Left and Right: With shoes it’s easy to tell if they’re on the wrong feet. But with moped cranks it is not. A left crank and pedal looks and functions the same as a right. So it is possible for a moped to have both left pedals and cranks, or both right, or the right on the left side and the left on the right side. Then when, say the left side pedal is missing, it might actually need a right, or visa versa.

Righty Tighty: This rule says “Viewed from above the bolt head, turning to the right, clockwise, is tightening”. Almost all bolts and nuts obey this rule because they are right hand thread. But left hand threads are opposite. They obey the opposite rule, “Lefty Tighty”. 

How to tell: It is sometimes not easy to tell if a pedal or a crank is left or right. Most modern bicycle pedals are stamped L or R. Most modern reproduction cranks are also stamped L or R. Most vintage European right cranks are stamped D (droit, destra, desno, derecho) or R (recht, right). Some vintage European left cranks are not marked, and some are stamped S (sinestra) or G (gauche) or L (levo, left).

Another way to tell is by viewing the threads directly. When a right thread bolt is held with the tail facing up, each thread slopes upward going from left to right. When a left thread bolt is viewed the same way, the threads slope in the opposite direction. With crank threads, right thread goes inward clockwise, left thread goes outward clockwise. You have to follow the first thread around in a circle with your eyes.

How not to strip threads: Knowing which way to turn, using lubricant, knowing how it should feel, knowing how tight it should be, and knowing how to use taps or dies or thread files to “clean up” damaged threads, before they fail completely. 

 

no.  reach length offset style pin  thread L/R  price  originally on    description    markings
431L  4¾”  5¾”   1½”   S2   9.0  9/16-20  L   $20  Minarelli left (sinestra) says     S
431R  4¾”  5¾”   1½”   S2   9.0  9/16-20  R   $25  Minarelli right (destra) says     D
432L  4¾”  5¾”   1¾”   S2   9.0  9/16-20  L   $20  Shorty high-offset left (sinestra) S
433L  4¾”  5¾”   1¼”   S3   9.5  9/16-20  L   $15  Minarelli or Morini replica left   L
433R  4¾”  5¾”   1¼”   S3   9.5  9/16-20  R   $22  Minarelli or Morini replica right R
434L  4¾”  5¾”   1¼”   S3   9.5  9/16-20  L   $20  Morini MO1, MO2 left (sinestra) S
434R  4¾”  5¾”   1¼”   S3   9.5  9/16-20  R   N/A  Morini MO1, MO2 right (destra) D
435R  4¾”  5¾”    ¾”    S5   9.0  9/16-20  R   N/A  Minarelli V1 right (destra) says  D
436L  4¾”  5¾”    ¾+   S6   9.0  9/16-20  L $20-$30  Vespa Ciao left (sinestra)     S
433 = 433L and 433R   S2   9.0  9/16-20 set  $30  beautiful chrome shorty repro set

no.  reach length offset style pin  thread L/R  price  originally on     description    markings
501R  5″¼  6″¼  1¼”   S2   9.5  9/16-20  R $15-$25  Batavus M48 right (recht)  R
501L  5″¼  6″¼  1¼”   S2   9.5  9/16-20  L $20-$30  Batavus M48 left (links)      L
502R  5″¼  6″¼  1¼”   S3   9.5  9/16-20  R   $18  Sachs 505 replica right (recht)  R
502L  5″¼  6″¼  1½”   S3   9.5  9/16-20  L   $20  Sachs 505 replica left (links)    
503R  5″¼  6″¼   ¾”    S5   9.5  9/16-20  R   N/A  Cimatti (Minarelli) right (recht) R
503L  5″¼  6″¼   ¾”    S5   9.5  9/16-20  L   $20  Cimatti (Minarelli) left (links)     L
504R  5″¼  5¾”    0″    S7   9.5  9/16-20  R $10-$15  Batavus M56 smooth right R
504L  5″¼  5¾”    0″    S7   9.5  9/16-20  L  $10-$15  Batavus M56 smooth left    L
505R  5″¼  5¾”    0″    S7   9.5  9/16-20  R  $8-$12  Trac M56 rough right says   R
505L  5″¼  5¾”    0″    S7   9.5  9/16-20  L  $8-$12  Trac M56 rough left says      L
501 = 501L and 501R   S2   9.5  9/16-20 set  $55  S2-style smooth chrome original set
502 = 502L and 502R   S3   9.5  9/16-20 set  $35  S3-style chrome rough-back repro set
504 = 504L and 504R   S7   9.5  9/16-20 set  $25  S7-style smooth chrome original set
505 = 505L and 505R   S7   9.5  9/16-20 set  $20  S7-style rough texture original set
no.  reach length offset style pin  thread L/R  price  originally on     description    markings
511R  5¼”  6¼”   1¼”  M2   9.5  9/16-20  R   N/A  Sparta Foxi right (recht)  says     R
511L  5¼”  6¼”   1¼”  M2   9.5  9/16-20  L   $25  Sparta Foxi left (links) says          L
512R  5¼”  6¼”  1¼”   M3   9.5  9/16-20  R   $25  Hercules-Sachs 505 right (recht) R
512L  5¼”  6¼”  1¼”   M3   9.5  9/16-20     N/A  Hercules-Sachs 505 left (links)     L
513R  5¼”  6¼”    ¾”   M4   9.5  9/16-20  R   $17  Tomos A35, A55, chrome repro right R
513L  5¼”  6¼”    ¾”   M4   9.5  9/16-20  L   $17  Tomos A35, A55, chrome repro left   L
514R  5¼”  6¼”    ¾”   M4   9.5  9/16-20  R   $17  Tomos A35, A55, black replica right  R
514L  5¼”  6¼”    ¾”   M4   9.5  9/16-20  L   $17  Tomos A35, A55, black replica left     L
515R  5¼”  6″¼    1″¾ M5   9.0  14-1.25  R   N/A  Peugeot 102 right (droite)  says       D
515L  5¼”  6″¼   1¼”  M5   9.0  14-1.25  L $15-$20  Peugeot 102 left (gauche)  says  G
516R  5¼”  6″¼    ¾+  M6   9.0  9/16-20  R $12-$18  Vespa Grande, Si right (destra) D
516L  5¼”  6″¼    ¾”   M6   9.0  9/16-20  L $20-$30  Vespa Grande, Si left says nothing
517R  5¼”  6″¼    ½”   M6   9.5  9/16-20  R   $20  pre-1987 Tomos A3 right (desno) D
517L  5¼”  6″¼    ½”   M6   9.5  9/16-20  L   N/A  pre-1987 Tomos A3 left (levo)       L
518R  5¼”  6″¼   0″½ M7   9.5  9/16-20  R   $20  1970-95 Jawa right (pravo) says   P
518L  5¼”  6″¼   0″½ M7   9.5  9/16-20  L   $20  1970-1995 Jawa left (vlavo) says   L
513 = 513L and 513R   M4   9.5  9/16-20 set $30  Tomos replica beautiful chrome set
514 = 514L and 514R   M4   9.5  9/16-20 set $30  Tomos replica black powder coat set
no.  reach length offset style pin  thread L/R  price  originally on     description    markings
521R  5½”  6½”   1″¼ M4   9.0  14-1.25  R $15-$22  Motobecane right (droit) says   D 40
521L  5½”  6½”   1″¼ M4   9.0  14-1.25  L $18-$25  Motobecane left (gauche) says  G 40
522R  5½”  6½”   1″¼ M4   9.0  9/16-20  R $25-$32  Motobecane right re-threaded  D 40
522L  5½”  6½”   1″¼ M4   9.0  9/16-20  L $28-$35  Motobecane left re-threaded    G 40
523L  5½”  6½”   1¼”  M4   9.0  14-1.25  L $25-$30  MB left, 1/4″ extra offset says   G 40
524L  5½”  6¼”   0″¼ M7   9.5  9/16-20  L   $15  unidentified vintage European says L
521 = 521L and 521R  M4   9.0  14-1.25 set  $45 M4-style Motobecane original thread set
522 = 522L and 522R  M4   9.0  9/16-20 set  $65 M4-style Motobecane re-threaded set
no.  reach length offset style pin  thread L/R  price  originally on     description  markings
531R  5¾”  6¾”   1¼”  M2   9.0  14-1.25 $12-$20 Peugeot 103 right
(droit) says V.P. D
532R  5¾”  6¾”   1¼”  M2   9.0  9/16-20  R $22-$30 Peugeot 103 right re-threaded V.P. D
533R  5¾”  6¾”   1½”  M4   9.5  9/16-20  R   N/A  Columbia-Solo right (recht) says     R
533L  5¾”  6¾”   1½”  M4   9.5  9/16-20  L   $25  Columbia-Solo left (links) says nothing
534L
 
5¾”  6¾”   1¼”  M5   9.0  14-1.25  L $20-$30  Peugeot 103 left  says nothing
535L  5¾”  6¾”   1½”  M2   9.0  14-1.25  L   $17  French replica left (gauche) says     G
535R  5¾”  6¾”   1½”  M2   9.0  14-1.25  R   $17  French replica right (droite) says     D
536R  5¾”  6¾”   ¾”0  M6   9.0  9/16-20  R $20-$30  pre-1977 Garelli w/groove right  D

536L  5¾”  6¾”   ¾”0  M6   9.0  9/16-20  L   N/A       pre-1977 Garelli with groove left  S
537R  5¾”  6½”   1½”  M3   9.5  9/16-20  R   $18  Avanti (Garelli remake) right says    R
537L  5¾”  6½”   1½”  M3   9.5  9/16-20    $25   Avanti (Garelli remake)  left  says    L
538R
  5¾”  6½”    1″¼ M6   9.5  9/16-20  R $15-$20  Kreidler MP9 right (recht) says   R

538L  5¾”  6½”    1″¼ M6   9.5  9/16-20  L $25-$30  Kreidler MP9 left (links) says nothing
539L  5¾”  6¾”   1½”  M2   9.0  9/16-20  L   $27  Peugeot replica left (gauche) re-threaded
539R  5¾”  6¾”   1½”  M2   9.0  9/16-20  R   $27  Peugeot replica right (droite) re-threaded
531 = 534L and 531R  2&5  9.0  14-1.25 set $40  Peugeot 103 original M2 & M5-style set
535 = 535L and 535R  M2   9.0  14-1.25 set $30
  French replica both M2-style chrome set
539 = 539L and 539R  M2   9.0  9/16-20 set $50  French replica both M2 re-threaded set

613 Puch replica cranks

no.  reach length offset style pin  thread L/R  price  originally on     description    markings
601R  6″   7″¼   1¼”  L3   9.0  14-1.25 $15-$22  Derbi Variant right (derecho) D
601L  6″   7″¼   1¼”  L3   9.0  14-1.25  L $15-$22  Derbi Variant left (izquierda)
603L  6″   7″¼   1½”  L3   9.0  9/16-20  L $25-$35  Garelli left (sinistra) says nothing
604R  6″   6¾”     ¾”  L6   9.0  9/16-20  R $18-$25  Garelli right (destra) says      D
605R  6″   6¾”     0″   L7   9.5  9/16-20  R $15-$25  KTM Foxi right (recht)  says    R
605L  6″   6¾”     0″   L7   9.5  9/16-20  L $15-$25  KTM Foxi left  (links)  says nothing
603 = 603L and 604R 3&6 9.5  9/16-20 set $45-$60 Garelli VIP orig. M3 & M6-style set
no.  reach length offset style pin  thread L/R  price  originally on     description    markings
611R  6¼”  7½”   1½”   L0   9.5  9/16-20  R $20-$35  Puch Maxi 2-speed right says R
611L 
6¼”  7½”   1½”   L0   9.5  9/16-20  L   N/A  Puch Maxi 2-speed left says nothing
612R  6¼”  7½”   1¼+  L1   9.5  9/16-20  R $20-$25  Puch Maxi right (recht) says R

612L  6¼”  7½”   1¼+  L1   9.5  9/16-20  L $20-$30  Puch Maxi left (links) says nothing
613R  6¼”  7½”   2″¼  L0   9.5  9/16-20  R   $16  Puch Maxi replica right says       R
613L  6¼”  7½”   2″¼  L0   9.5  9/16-20  L   $23  Puch Maxi replica left says        
L
613 = 613L and 613R   L0   9.5  9/16-20 set  $35  Puch Maxi replica beautiful chrome
no.  reach length offset style pin  thread L/R  price  originally on     description    markings

621L  6½”  7¼”    0″    L7   9.5  9/16-20  L $7-$10  1970’s 10-speed bicycle left

 

434L, 434R Morini MO1 MO2

503R 1976-78 Cimatti

Shown here are the S3-style vintage Italian original pedal cranks on Italian (mostly) mopeds with Morini MO1, MO2, M1 engines. These cranks need to be the S3 or M3 style, that “goes outward right away”, because the engine sticks out close to the pedal shaft.

Besides clearing the engine when the crank is horizontal, sometimes this style crank is needed to clear the covers above the engine, when the crank is vertical. 

 

512L, 512R Hercules with 505

518R, 518L ’70-95 Jawa

Shown here are the M3-style vintage German original pedal cranks on Hercules mopeds with Sachs 505 engine, such as the US-model “Sachs Balboa”. On a Taiwan moped with a Sachs 505 engine, such as “General 5-Star ST”, the pedal cranks are Taiwan made compatibles, that look different but have about the same dimensions and same style.

These “go outward right away”, not to clear the engine, but to clear the covers above the engine, when the crank is vertical.

 

514L, 514R 1986-later Tomos

517R Tomos A3

Shown here are the M4-style modern Slovenian original pedal cranks on 1986 and later Tomos mopeds, from late A3 to A35 and A55 engine models. Here the 2009 Tomos A55 engine pedal shaft is much longer than it needs to be, by 3/4″ on the left, and 1 3/4″ on the right, as you can see.

Back in the day, moped engines (and people) were thinner. The early 1974-79 early A3 pedal cranks did not have or need much offset, as shown at right.

 

521L bent inward

521L, 521R Motobecane

Shown here are the M4-style vintage French original pedal cranks on Motobecane Mobylette mopeds 1972-1980+. On variator models, like 50V, the engine swings back as the bike speeds up. The clutch wheel often scrapes against the left pedal crank. On non-variator (Dimoby) models, like 50 or 40, the engine does not swing back as the bike speeds up (but it does swing to keep the belt tight). On those models there is also 3/8 inch more space between the clutch wheel and the pedal crank. So they “never” scrape.

 

531R 76-83 Peugeot 103

Here is a M2-style vintage French right crank, on 1975-83 Peugeot 103 mopeds. The right arm has sharper bends than left, because the right cover is closer to the pedal arm. The left is a M5-style, with a more gentle bend.

 

 

 

 

603R ’78-83 Garelli VIP

603L ’78-83 Garelli VIP

Here are vintage Italian L6-style right and L3-style left crank arms for 1977-83 Garelli Gulp, VIP, and maybe Monza. The left has more offset than the right. It needs the L3 style that “goes outward right away” because the left side of the engine sticks out near the pedal shaft.

 

 

 

601L, 601R Derbi Variant

606L, 606R Derbi Variant Sport

 

Shown at left are L3-style vintage Spanish crank arms for 1975-1986 Derbi Variant.

Shown at right are higher offset L3-style Spanish arms for 1986-89 Derbi Variant Sport.

Like Tomos and Garelli the later engines were wider.

 

 

611L, 611R 1978-86 Puch

Puch type threads
are intentionally
made weaker

Shown here are the L0-style vintage Austrian cranks on 1978-86 Puch Maxi and Magnum models. There are also L1-style Puch cranks, on 1968-78 Puch Maxi. Those are the same dimensions except the bend is more sharp.

What were they thinking? Pedal cranks for Puch mopeds have about 1/3 of the threads removed by machining. This makes them get stripped easier. The only plausible explanation is Puch was thinking about safety. When a rider forgets where the pedals are, and leans over in a turn, one pedal can hit the ground. If it hits hard enough it can cause a crash. Puch pedals are designed to break away, rather than causing a crash. 

Pedal Crank Selection:

Offset: Ideally the pedal arms should have enough offset to not hit anything, even after being bent inward a little, yet not have too much offset. Too much offset causes the pedals to hit the ground sooner when leaned over, and to stick out more when parking or storing, and to hit the riders feet more when backing up.

Length: Longer pedal arms provide more leverage. For mopeds the pedals are mainly used for starting the engine, rather than pedaling. So if the engine turns over easily then long pedal arms are not needed. Longer arms hit the ground sooner when leaned over. And when not pedaling, one foot is more forward and the other is more back. So shorter arms are better, in many ways. But for pedaling, longer arms are better, especially for riders with long legs.

Style: Some engines or bikes need cranks that “go outward right away” because something is sticking out near the pedal shaft. This is the style S3, M3, and L3 above. Sachs 505, Morini MO1, MO2 and Garelli VIP engines are some common examples.

 

Pedal Crank Service:

Straightening a crank.
The bend forms about
1-2″ inch below the tool.
Here it is held high up.

VAR pedal arm bender.
This has straightened
500 bent arms, saving
customers $10,000

Straightening: 1. With a special tool like the one shown, and two people, a bent pedal crank can be straightened in one minute without any removal. The second person has to pull on the bike the opposite way, by standing hard on the opposite pedal. 2. Without that tool, the pedal only is removed and a long pipe that fits closely over the crank is used to apply torque. 3. For more stubborn cranks, the crank is removed and placed in a large bench vise. Again the pipe is placed over the crank at the right place, and torque is applied. Moped cranks require 100 to maybe 600 foot-pounds of torque to bend. This is done without heating.  

Re-threading a crank

Re-threading: Often just the first few threads become messed up. Bicycle shops have pedal taps, size 9/16-20 Right and Left, that can repair partially-stripped threads on moped cranks. Hardware stores do not have those taps, instead they have 9/16-18, more coarse. So pedal taps are a bicycle-industry-only item. 

Repairing pedal crank threads is done by starting the tap from the good side, which is the back. Sometimes crank removal is required, and sometimes it is optional. Cutting fluid, or at least oil, is applied. The tap is moved back and forth as it is screwed in (like 4 steps forward and 3 steps back), until it goes all the way through.

Rethreading a M14-1.25 crank to 9/16-20 (from 14.0 to 14.3mm) is more difficult. The plated steel is hard and tough. It takes longer and requires more force. The crank arm and tap get hot by the end of the 10-20 minute process.  

 

 


3  P E D A L   P I N S

Pedal Crank pins

Pin removal

These round pins have a flat wedge that fits tight against a slot in the shaft. They are pressed or hammered in and out. In the bicycle industry they are known as cotter pins. Here they are called crank pins or wedge pins.

Two sizes 9.5 mm $2, and 9.0 mm $2 each.

 

One Up One Down: This rule says that if one crank pin points up, then the other should point down. This makes the left and right crank arms parallel at 12 o’clock and 6 o’clock. When the pins are both up, the arms are at 12 o’clock and 5 o’clock, lopsided and awkward.

 


4  P E D A L   S H A F T S

Some mopeds with external pedal shafts, and separate pedal and motor chains, have one of the crank arms permanently attached to the shaft and sprocket. With those, to get a new sprocket-side arm you have to replace the shaft-with-arm.

Some mopeds with external pedal shafts, and separate pedal and motor chains, have no crank arms permanently attached to the shaft and sprocket. With those the sprocket-side arm can be replaced.

More on this parts topic, later…

 

 

 


5  F R E E W H E E L S

Some mopeds have one drive chain and some have two. Two-chain mopeds, with both a motor chain and a pedal chain, have freewheels, like most bicycles. The freewheel is the rear pedal sprocket that spins free and goes “click click click” in the reverse direction, but locks up solid in the forward direction. The freewheel allows the pedals to be stationary even when the rear wheel is moving forward. The moped brands with right-side freewheels are Puch, Peugeot, Motobecane, Batavus, Sparta (Foxi), Hercules (Sachs), Piaggio (Vespa), Honda (PA50), Kreidler, KTM (Foxi), Kynast, Flandria. There are two brands with left-side backward freewheels, Jawa and Benelli. All of the other moped brands do not have external freewheels, but instead have a freewheel mechanism inside the engine unit.

The freewheel screws on and tightens with pedaling. Once it is tight, a special tool is required to remove it. The tool fits into slots in the freewheel center. Some low-end modern single-speed bicycle freewheels do not have removal slots. Those cheap kinds can be removed by destroying the freewheel. To remove a freewheel destructively without a removal tool, the freewheel is first disassembled, where all the little balls and clickers fall out, and then the inner hub is unscrewed in a bench vise or with a pipe wrench.

Most freewheels go on the right side of the bike and thus have right-hand thread, but Jawa and Benelli ones go on the left side of the bike and have left-hand thread. 

 

16a generic 16T
by Dicta
made in Taiwan

16b MB 16T #60483
by The Best Wheel
made in France

16c Hercules 16T
by Esjot
made in Germany

16d Sparta 16T
by Atom
made in France

16h Motobecane 16T
by Atom, #16057
made in France

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

18b Motobecane 18T
by The Best Wheel
#15244 French thread

18d left hand Jawa 18T
by Velo, says date 76-78
made in Czechoslovakia

18e generic 18T
by Sunlite

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

20a Motobecane 20T
by The Best Wheel
#14298 made in France

20c Kynast 20T
by Esjot
made in Germany

20e generic 20T
by Sunlite

23a Puch 23T
by Atom-Maillard
made in France

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Original and Replacement Freewheels

no. freewheel make  country     bike make  part #  teeth    thread    price   original on


16a Dicta xxxxxxxx Taiwan xxx replacement  0000  16T  1.375″- 24  $12

16b The Best Wheel France xxxMotobecane 60483  16T  1.375″- 24  $25  Solex

16c Esjot  xxxxxxx Germany Hercules 9000300401 16T  1.375″- 24  $30  Sachs Westlake (P1) 

16d Atom xxxxxxxx France xxx Sparta 00. 055051  16T  1.375″- 24  $25  Sparta Foxi
16d Atom   xxxxxxx France xxx Peugeot xxx39026  16T  1.375″- 24  $25  Peugeot (optional)
16d Atom xxxxxxxx France xxx Motobecane 16057  16T  1.375″-.24  $25  Motobecane 7

16e Ocean xxxxxxx Italy xxxxx Piaggio 000114531  16T  1.375″- 24  $25  Piaggio Ciao, Si early


18a Atom xxxxxxxx France xxx Peugeot 00017550  18T  1.375″- 24  $30  Peugeot 102, 103
18a Atom xxxxxxxx France xxx Batavus 00049020  18T  1.375″- 24  $30  1976-77 Batavus VA

18b The Best Wheel France xxxMotobecane 15244  18T  M34.7-1.0  $50  70’s MB with MB hubs
18b J Moyne xxxxX France xxxMotobecane 15244  18T  M34.7-1.0  $50  Wards Riverside (AV88)
18b The Best Wheel France xxxMotobecane 15244  18T  M34.7-1.0  $50  50’s-60’s Motobecane

18c Ocean .xxxxxxx Italy .xxxx Piaggio 00 103631  18T  1.375″- 24  $25  Piaggio Bravo, Grande

18d Velo xxxxx Czechoslovakia  Jawa  xxxx070040  18T  M35 -1 LH   $35  1970-83 Jawa 28, 207

18e Sunlite xxxxxxx China x.xxxreplacement  0000  18T  1.375″- 24  $15 


20a The Best Wheel France xxxMotobecane 14298  20T  1.375″- 24. $20  70’s MB with Leleu hubs
20a The Best Wheel France xxxMotobecane 14298  20T  1.375″- 24. $20  1978-81 MB with mags

20b Atom   xxxxxxx France xxx Batavus 00049019  20T  1.375″- 24  $30  Batavus HS50,Starflite
20b Atom   xxxxxxx France xxx Peugeot 00000586  20T  1.375″- 24  $30  Peugeot (optional)

20c Esjot  xxxxxxxx Germany x Kynast  00000586   20T  1.375″- 24  $22  Flying Dutchman

20e Sunlite  xxxxxx China xxx xreplacement  0000  20T  1.375″- 24  $17


23a Atom  .xxxxxxx France xxx Puch  3492410230  23T  1.375″- 24  $20-$30 Puch (all models)

 

Freewheel threads: Like with pedal threads there is a common size and an uncommon size slightly smaller.

The common size is 1.375″ – 24, which equals 34.92 – 1.06 mm. Most modern bicycles worldwide have this ISO (International Standards Organization) standard freewheel thread type. 

The uncommon size is M34.7 – 1.00, which equals 34.70 – 1.00 mm. This “French” thread type is on vintage bicycles from France, Belgium, Spain or Switzerland, and on Motobecane mopeds with Motobecane-made hubs.

So the French freewheels are slightly smaller than the rest of the world, 34.7 instead of 34.9. That small amount does not matter as long as the bike is pedaled gently. But it does matter when the pedals are pushed very hard. Then the loose fitting threads on the wheel hub can strip out, a disaster.  

It is difficult to tell which thread type a hub has, by measuring the thread tops with a calipers. The 34.92 thread hubs measure 34.65 to 34.7. The 34.70 hubs measure 34.55 to 34.6. On some hubs the tops of the threads are worn down and measure less. So a standard thread might seem like a French thread type. Because of this, it is better to put away the calipers and use “feel”.

When the freewheel and hub have the same thread type, the freewheel screws on easy, yet has no looseness. Looseness is felt with fingertips pulling and pushing the freewheel center side to side. When a 34.92 freewheel is on a 34.7 hub, the center of the freewheel can move 0.22 mm.  Here is a video of that. That looseness or “wiggle” is felt. The same is true for any threaded thing. When a bolt fits a nut, it screws on easy and yet does not wiggle.    

All of the freewheels in Myrons Mopeds inventory were measured by feel. For each bike model listed above, a sample rear wheel with original freewheel was measured directly by feel. The freewheel was removed. It’s threads were checked by screwing onto both a French and a standard hub. The wheel threads were checked by screwing on both a French and a standard freewheel.

Gauntlet of test wheels: MB 40, Batavus M48, Peugeot 103, Model 7 hub, MB 50, MB 50, MB 50VLA.
Not shown, Puch wheels and hubs, Sparta, Peugeot 102 hub, Kreidler, Sachs, KTM, Kynast, others.

Result: None of the hubs or freewheels had French thread, except Motobecanes with Motobecane-made hubs. Wow!

1970’s Puch & Motobecane 80mm hubs
L, Leleu-made Puch hub, standard thread
R, Motobecane-made hub, French thread

These are actual Motobecane rear wheels from Myrons inventory. All except one came from Los Angeles area bikes.

model xx rim x hub xx freewheel xxx teeth  thread
40XXxxX thin   MB xx  none xxxxxxxx 18T   French
40XXxxX thin   MB xx  none xxxxxxxx 18T   French
50XXxxX wide  MB xx  none xxxxxxxx 18T   French
50XXxxX wide  MB xx  none xxxxxxxx 18T   French
50XXxxX wide  MB xx The Best Wheel 18T   French
Model 7X 16″  Leleu x  none xxxx x xx xxx  standard
50VXxxX wide Leleu x  none xxxx x xx xxx  standard
50VXxxX wide Leleu x The Best Wheel 20T  standard
50VXXxx wide Leleu x The Best Wheel 20T  standard
50VLAxx mag  silver x The Best Wheel 20T  standard
LeMoped mag  gold xx  none xxxxx xx xxx  standard
LeMoped mag  gold xx The Best Wheel 20T  standard

Result: All Leleu-made hubs have standard freewheel thread 1.375″-24, even those for Motobecane. All Motobecane-made hubs have French thread M34.7-1.0. All Motobecane-made “6-star” mag wheels have standard thread, but it is tapered and begins with French thread, so that either type of freewheel can be used.

1975 Motobecane 50S
with MB-made hubs

1978 Motobecane 50V
with Leleu-made hubs

 

How to tell: The best way to tell if a 1970’s Motobecane moped rear hub is Motobecane-made (and therefore French thread) is visually. There is an prominent M logo on the freewheel side. There is no step on the freewheel side, instead it slopes gradually. The flanges go farther out from the spoke holes. So from 100 feet away, viewed from the side, the Motobecane-made hubs appear larger than Leleu-made hubs.

 

Summary

All two-chain rear hubs or wheels, on mopeds from the 1970’s and 80’s, have standard freewheel threads, except Motobecane-made hubs on 1950’s -60’s and some 1970’s Motobecane mopeds.

A standard thread freewheel fits a French thread hub and works fine when pedaled normally. Only when a strong athletic person pedals very hard, the hub threads can strip off, requiring wheel or hub replacement. 

 

Motobecane 100mm hubs
are also French thread

1950’s – 60’s Motobecane: Many models, maybe all, had French freewheel threads M34.7-1.0. In the 1960’s the parts manuals specified the thread. One example, shown at right, is for Motobecane AV88 and Motoconfort AU88. It lists the 18-tooth 15244 freewheel as having M34.7-100 thread. 

The French freewheel thread cover up: It is very odd that, after 1976-77, Motobecane had two different freewheel threads, but they hid that fact. Instead they made the teeth different, 15244 (French thread) was 18 teeth, and the newer 14298 (standard thread) was 20 teeth. The Motobecane America parts manuals list both freewheels without explanation. There does not seem to be anything about freewheels in the Parts or Service Bulletins. The physical freewheels do not say the thread. The actual parts labels do not say the thread either. As a result, this cover-up has caused confusion and mystery for 39 years (1978-2017).

 


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freewheel teeth  thread  price  applications
16 tooth  1.375-24 thread  $15  Sparta Foxi